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Beliefs and Belonging

It's almost funny how the mind works and how complex it all can be. Especially when it cones from beliefs and the things we absorb to have a sense of belonging.

I have poor sense of positive beliefs. All mine are negative. Though my biggest problem is my lack of belief in belonging. I feel as if I belong nowhere. I have no one or anyplace that I can say brings true guaranteed comfort.

I feel lost. I feel like I am wandering. I don't allow myself to hold on to any positives, because I don't believe they will matter to anything. That all that life will ever be for me is a blackhole.

But the irony is that no one externally told me this. That I don't matter. That I don't belong.

This is from my own bitterness and self loathing.
I cam go downward very fast into negative and it can because of lies and mental illness
I try to cling to positivity but when something is hard to.understand or beyond me I fall very fast.
For me i try to cling onto some small truths or hopeful feelings or feelings of people in my life who do love me or things to look forward to.
I do not know where I belong, everyone seems to hurt me including God.
But I feel like I try to cling to a positive thought and rise...it is very hard at times clinging to positivity in very negative circumstances. Not really fair either I always was someone who had some positive beliefs in my soul.
Like little dream's, fun and happy things I would cling to in dark times, saying and beliefs I would cling to, songs I would listen to including Christian songs about positivity and overcoming hardships.
I always often try to hope for the best sometimes depressive and negative thoughts get to me. Like there are no good people, no people who will be what I need or treat me well, the world is a bad and dark place
Actually it is a lot worse right now.
Something I have a dream and it is like overwhelming good feelings and I wake up happy for a while.
I am better with 8 hours sleep which is hard for me with devices but I get lonely without connection too and like to know I have a way to.order my groceries online.
 
It's defining what "God" means, what That means, that, I think, a lot of people struggle with.
It's almost as if people need to have an experience of what that FEELS like to have some, even tepid, level of innerstanding or understanding.
You and I know that "God is Love", but what if people's experience of "love" and religion, is empty and meaningless words?
As humans we are cut off, largely, from "God" as an inner experience. Accounts of Near Death Experiences offer far richer, more visceral, accounts of God-y-ness and powerful loving feelings and knowingnesses than most religious settings, I would offer.
Myself, I found psychedelic experiences opened me up more than any christian rhetoric. That and meditation, dance, music, yoga and hanging out in nature.

I agree with most of that for the most part. I honestly don't understand how anyone comes to faith without some tangible experience of the Divine. I did have many psychedelic experiences prior to my conversion, years before, and it's difficult to quantify the effect they had on my eventual conversion.
 
Without God, these feelings are inevitable.

It is demonstrably not inevitable that without god one will feel negative about life. There are plenty of people who do not believe in god who also find purpose and fulfilment in their lives.

I also find it insulting and degrading that someone would assume that I am not capable of empathising with people who are suffering, and want to help them, and look upon that as a worthwhile thing to do with my time on this planet, without fearing retribution by some supernatural being or desiring some reward from the same.
 
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It's almost funny how the mind works and how complex it all can be. Especially when it cones from beliefs and the things we absorb to have a sense of belonging.

I have poor sense of positive beliefs. All mine are negative. Though my biggest problem is my lack of belief in belonging. I feel as if I belong nowhere. I have no one or anyplace that I can say brings true guaranteed comfort.

I feel lost. I feel like I am wandering. I don't allow myself to hold on to any positives, because I don't believe they will matter to anything. That all that life will ever be for me is a blackhole.

But the irony is that no one externally told me this. That I don't matter. That I don't belong.

This is from my own bitterness and self loathing.

Your post is insightful and full of feeling. I identify with a lot of what you've written. But similar to what @Outdated wrote, I don't see it as entirely negative. So far nothing I've learnt about the world gives me reason to think that there is some externally created purpose to our lives, or some story created by others and we have a role to play in it. So a sense of not belonging anywhere seems normal to me. It doesn't have to originate in self-loathing. It's just a consequence of the universe's indifference.

@Neonatal RRT wrote "At some point we need to stop thinking about how others perceive us" and I think that's the best way I've found to accept the universe's indifference and still get up each day to do things. The acceptance that I don't matter and the dissatisfaction that comes with that realisation, is inseparable from liberation, by which I mean the freedom that comes with knowing that I define my own purpose in this life.

I decide what is right and wrong, what is worthwhile and what isn't. This does not inevitably lead to selfishness. This understanding often leads people away from apathy and motivates them to do things differently - and with more meaning, compassion, and impact.

About 10 years ago I hit an all time low. I considered ending my life and was finding it so difficult to get out of bed and eat. So I quit my job and left my home and lived rough for some time and ended up in a different country, spending all my time volunteering with a couple of charities. I met loads of new people and quite often they'd ask how I ended up where I did, or they'd ask why I was doing what I was doing, and I used to say that I can't think about that - I can only think about what is in front of me. Everything else is too big. If someone is right here and needs help, I'll help them. The moment I think about the world beyond, I get depressed - precisely because there is no reason or purpose to it and there is so much suffering and I can't fix it all. But if I define the parameters, that enables me to define a purpose. This person is hungry, I'll try to feed them. If I think about the bigger picture I know that feeding them ultimately means nothing. But at this point in space and time, food would make the hunger go away and that means my actions can make a difference.

The problem I have is that in everyday life there is a constant puncturing of that bubble. I can't just focus on what's in front of me because society makes constant demands. And in fact I make demands of myself, because for example I have attachments to people in my life and I want to do things for them and with them.

The only time in my life I've felt comfortable is when I ran away, wandered aimlessly, and just focused on what was in front of me. For a while I was able to hide from society's demands and focus on individual needs, and it felt both pointless and liberating.
 
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It is demonstrably not inevitable that without god one will feel negative about life. There are plenty of people who do not believe in god who also find purpose and fulfilment in their lives.

I also find it insulting and degrading that someone would assume that I am not capable of empathising with people who are suffering, and want to help them, and look upon that as a worthwhile thing to do with my time on this planet, without fearing retribution by some supernatural being or desiring some reward from the same.

I don't see how your comments relate to anything in this thread, but I understand your frustration with assumptions made by theists.
 
I don't see how your comments relate to anything in this thread, but I understand your frustration with assumptions made by theists.
ok, well just to clear that point up then... my comments related directly to your comment. I disagreed with what you wrote and felt a bit insulted by it.
 
This part is true for me, it has been since early childhood, but for me there's no negative connotations associated with that. I was always apart and always did my own thing and I've always been happier like that.

I've always been an optimist. I've always believed that somehow life will just work out for me in spite of appearances, and somehow it has.

I have the sense that because we have a difficult time making social bonds, that our communication difficulties leave us out on the periphery. We rarely "belong". Most of us are destined to walk our path through life by ourselves.

What most people need is not "belonging", but rather "purpose". Are you responsible for something? What do you do for others? Do you receive praise for what you do for others? Purpose gives me happiness in lieu of having friends. I have found that giving of myself gives me happiness.

Most people on the forums know that when I respond to these posts, I have positive thoughts because I genuinely want to help others. This is the way I am in life. I have multiple purposes in life that get me up in the morning. I have goals, I have projects to do, and every time I accomplish some little goal, another positive "dopamine hit".

Just my opinion here, but if people don't have a purpose, no goals, no aspirations for something better, and do nothing, bored, with nothing to consume their thoughts but their sad situation in life, this is destructive. No good comes of this.

Your post is insightful and full of feeling. I identify with a lot of what you've written. But similar to what @Outdated wrote, I don't see it as entirely negative. So far nothing I've learnt about the world gives me reason to think that there is some externally created purpose to our lives, or some story created by others and we have a role to play in it. So a sense of not belonging anywhere seems normal to me. It doesn't have to originate in self-loathing. It's just a consequence of the universe's indifference.

@Neonatal RRT wrote "At some point we need to stop thinking about how others perceive us" and I think that's the best way I've found to accept the universe's indifference and still get up each day to do things. The acceptance that I don't matter and the dissatisfaction that comes with that realisation, is inseparable from liberation, by which I mean the freedom that comes with knowing that I define my own purpose in this life.

I decide what is right and wrong, what is worthwhile and what isn't. This does not inevitably lead to selfishness. This understanding often leads people away from apathy and motivates them to do things differently - and with more meaning, compassion, and impact.

About 10 years ago I hit an all time low. I considered ending my life and was finding it so difficult to get out of bed and eat. So I quit my job and left my home and lived rough for some time and ended up in a different country, spending all my time volunteering with a couple of charities. I met loads of new people and quite often they'd ask how I ended up where I did, or they'd ask why I was doing what I was doing, and I used to say that I can't think about that - I can only think about what is in front of me. Everything else is too big. If someone is right here and needs help, I'll help them. The moment I think about the world beyond, I get depressed - precisely because there is no reason or purpose to it and there is so much suffering and I can't fix it all. But if I define the parameters, that enables me to define a purpose. This person is hungry, I'll try to feed them. If I think about the bigger picture I know that feeding them ultimately means nothing. But at this point in space and time, food would make the hunger go away and that means my actions can make a difference.

The problem I have is that in everyday life there is a constant puncturing of that bubble. I can't just focus on what's in front of me because society makes constant demands. And in fact I make demands of myself, because for example I have attachments to people in my life and I want to do things for them and with them.

The only time in my life I've felt comfortable is when I ran away, wandered aimlessly, and just focused on what was in front of me. For a while I was able to hide from society's demands and focus on individual needs, and it felt both pointless and liberating.

The problem is that I have no drive. Nothing to persue a purpose. A part of me doesn't care that I am wasting my life away. A very immature, ignorant part of me that would rather throw a tantrum, than pay attention to the details and be logical about anything.

But I do understand that it takes willpower and a sense of self love to do this. I have neither as I currently stand. I get told everyday by my Uncle that he sees great potential and intellect in me. But I'd rather destroy myself, than take any of my positives to heart.

I'm putting all my brainpower in destroying myself and making sure nothing gets accomplished. None goes toward helping myself at all. I may have brief good moments or days. But they never last. My default has been self-loathing. Even if I am productive, it doesn't matter. I loathe myself shortly after. Practically every second of every day is me falling into negative traps. I can try to hide it, but my Uncle sees right through me.

Honestly, I feel like I've played myself. That the day I dropped out from being a human being was when I was 12. That I'd rather hide, than just grow up and face reality.
 
The problem is that I have no drive. Nothing to persue a purpose.
Define "purpose". I only ever had one goal in life - to be happy and without stress. That was always my prime purpose, and to have fun.

When I was your age most of my friends had started families and were settling down, which sort of freed me up to party more and travel more. Then one day my closest mate sat me down to have a serious talk with me, he wanted to know what I plan on doing with my life. He was completely confused when I told him I'm already doing it.

I worked, I travelled, I had a great social life. I did whatever I felt like doing. And when I burnt out I had reliable public health and welfare systems to fall back on so I never had to worry too much.

Now I'm pushing 60 and not sure what I want to do next, but there's no rush. Something will spark my interest again soon.
 
He says:
I will not Bow
I will not Break
I will shut The World away

I will survive
Paranoid

I will not Bow
I Bow often to Allah, i do not Bow to Devil though ... I do not kill, so i will not kill Devil. That was plan, but no. Forgiveness is worse than death for him.

I will not Break
Really? We'll find out 😎👎😁

I will shut The World away
Appearently

I will Survive
Inshallah
I have always thought I'm litterally Paranoid, because I know God is watching, if not something Allah is


In Islam/Christianity Rock is Devils music
 

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