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Do you believe in God?
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Carl Carter
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I don't believe and I can't be arsed arguing or trying to express my reasons for not believing 
shinigami
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I don't believe in any deity or deities. No religion for moi. I can't say that I know what's out there so I tend to call myself agnostic. There are so many different possibilities, many of which we as humans may not be able to comprehend. I think it would be incorrect of someone to say one thing is correct because of how many other possibilities there are. Everyone feels differently about this topic and everyone is entitled to their own belief. I find nothing wrong with that. Personally, I value every view on the matter because I find each one interesting. In addition, so many different views make the world the beautiful place that it is. I am huge on Astronomy/ Physics which has been an incredibly eye-opening experience for me. I have felt things and learned things that make me understand the world in a certain way. I cannot describe it but I can say that there is so much we don't know and that the chances of us being the only living beings are very slim. I can say that there is something much bigger than the universe because you just have to ask... where does all the energy go? Well, it goes somewhere bigger, that's for sure. Somewhere or to something bigger and more complex than we can understand. We are these tiny, microscopic beings on a microscopic planet, just kind of randomly there but it's quite impossible for us to be the only living things in the universe. Okay, I am ranting for sure, but I'll just leave it at that. And also that I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I like all views and mine may not be right at all. Just throwing my own belief out there! Peace!
Krazie243
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Wow... Took me two pages of extensive reading here to see even ONE person that made a distinction between believing in God and religion. Last I checked, believing in God and religion are not mutually inclusive. There are religions without a god, and there are believers that are not religious.
Let's start with the simple. The poll creator obviously forgot to define 'God' (as all people do when they make such a topic) so we need to set out some definitions:
(1) God is a supreme being capable of anything and everything.
-a- God made the universe and has the power to manipulate it any way He sees fit.
-b- God is the universe, thus it is because of Him that all things are.
Note: neither of these ideas can be proven wrong, but believing either of them requires pure faith as neither is provable.
(2) God (or multiple Gods) is a powerful being with limitations unknown to us.
-a- God (or multiple Gods) is an alien that may or may not guide our people secretly from beyond our stars.
-b- God (or multiple Gods) is a super enlightened soul from within our own that has reached any ability to guide us.
Note: we do not have the technology to prove either of these at the moment but they may be real future possibilities.
(3) God is a representation: If we worship something, that thing is a god.
-a- TV, money, cars, women, games, electronics.
-b- Movie Stars, TV Stars, inventors.
-c- Ourselves. (Narcissism - one of many beliefs in God without a religion)
Note: All these definitions technically automatically dictate that God does exist, but these are often discarded as not being what we mean when we say God.
So, I've come up with 7 different definitions or categories of God that are all so different they each require a different approach with logic in order to even determine one's own belief. Naturally, the order of my definitions is the order of their popularity (for the most part) so we should start at the top and work down:
(1a) Is the one that all or most religions stem their beliefs. In some cases there are multiple Gods. What is to be noted here is that of all the violent and hardcore religions on the world, ALL of them cater to the definition as set by (1a). So to determine one's belief of God based on religion is to ignore 6/7ths of the listed possibilites for the existence of God. And if we ignore the last 3 due to ridiculousness we can still see that basing belief of God on religion is using on 25% of the available options. If you can't examine all 100% of the possibilities, then you can't answer the question.
That being said, despite the fact that religion is one of the two BIGGEST reasons for global occurences of war (greed being the other - America and its oil...) what needs to be noted is that the 3 most responsible religions for this chaos (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) do NOT have any textual requirement to wage war for God. While there are some possibly debateable references in the Qur'an, it does state as well that it holds both the Torah and teachings of Jesus in regard. Thus, all who wage war on behalf of God are deluded liars that are not properly representing their faith.
Adding more: One of the Ten Commandments (still obeyed by most Christians and all Jews) is that you shouldn't take God's name in vain. Many think that this means to swear "Jesus Christ!" but that is a misinterpretation. The true meaning is "Do not tell people you are Christian (take Christ's name) if you aren't (in vain)" There are many Biblical references for criticisms against people inaccurately claiming to serve God when they are only serving themselves.
Having thrown that all out there I would like to state this for the obvious. There is no proof for or against God. Believing He does not exist requires the same level of faith as believing that He does not. Why? Because it is a 50/50 chance and you are going with one of them. All the reasons we claim that God does or does not exist are merely reasons why we BELIEVE He does or does not exist. Whether you choose yes or no has no effect on your apparent intelligence. What has an effect on your apparent intelligence is how well you use reason to properly support your decision. Therefore, a statement like "I'm not naive enough to believe in God" is a ridiculously ironic statement, given that the complete lack of support for the arguement indicates the person's naiveté.
My belief: God exists. Why? Simple, if He didn't then there is no point to existence. Pessimism and depression sink in as I think about life gradually rotting and decaying into nothing. God serves a purpose, even if he doesn't exist. His existence, whether as a figment of my imagination or otherwise, creates an optimism and hope that makes life worthwhile. I can't understand people who don't believe in God. What is the point of breathing? Everything you have, everything you get will all someday be gone. I could throw in some scientific reasons why I believe in God but I'm pretty sure everyone's heard every last one of them already from someone else.
Now this begs yet another question: What kind of God do I believe in? You laugh. I do too, but this needs to be answered. My preference is that of (1a). There is the possibility of (2a) and (2b) constantly in the back of my mind as I picture the idea of enlightenment for myself and the following developement of power shortly after. In my next post I will outline how Quantum Physics indicates the possibility of performing miracles...
Let's start with the simple. The poll creator obviously forgot to define 'God' (as all people do when they make such a topic) so we need to set out some definitions:
(1) God is a supreme being capable of anything and everything.
-a- God made the universe and has the power to manipulate it any way He sees fit.
-b- God is the universe, thus it is because of Him that all things are.
Note: neither of these ideas can be proven wrong, but believing either of them requires pure faith as neither is provable.
(2) God (or multiple Gods) is a powerful being with limitations unknown to us.
-a- God (or multiple Gods) is an alien that may or may not guide our people secretly from beyond our stars.
-b- God (or multiple Gods) is a super enlightened soul from within our own that has reached any ability to guide us.
Note: we do not have the technology to prove either of these at the moment but they may be real future possibilities.
(3) God is a representation: If we worship something, that thing is a god.
-a- TV, money, cars, women, games, electronics.
-b- Movie Stars, TV Stars, inventors.
-c- Ourselves. (Narcissism - one of many beliefs in God without a religion)
Note: All these definitions technically automatically dictate that God does exist, but these are often discarded as not being what we mean when we say God.
So, I've come up with 7 different definitions or categories of God that are all so different they each require a different approach with logic in order to even determine one's own belief. Naturally, the order of my definitions is the order of their popularity (for the most part) so we should start at the top and work down:
(1a) Is the one that all or most religions stem their beliefs. In some cases there are multiple Gods. What is to be noted here is that of all the violent and hardcore religions on the world, ALL of them cater to the definition as set by (1a). So to determine one's belief of God based on religion is to ignore 6/7ths of the listed possibilites for the existence of God. And if we ignore the last 3 due to ridiculousness we can still see that basing belief of God on religion is using on 25% of the available options. If you can't examine all 100% of the possibilities, then you can't answer the question.
That being said, despite the fact that religion is one of the two BIGGEST reasons for global occurences of war (greed being the other - America and its oil...) what needs to be noted is that the 3 most responsible religions for this chaos (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) do NOT have any textual requirement to wage war for God. While there are some possibly debateable references in the Qur'an, it does state as well that it holds both the Torah and teachings of Jesus in regard. Thus, all who wage war on behalf of God are deluded liars that are not properly representing their faith.
Adding more: One of the Ten Commandments (still obeyed by most Christians and all Jews) is that you shouldn't take God's name in vain. Many think that this means to swear "Jesus Christ!" but that is a misinterpretation. The true meaning is "Do not tell people you are Christian (take Christ's name) if you aren't (in vain)" There are many Biblical references for criticisms against people inaccurately claiming to serve God when they are only serving themselves.
Having thrown that all out there I would like to state this for the obvious. There is no proof for or against God. Believing He does not exist requires the same level of faith as believing that He does not. Why? Because it is a 50/50 chance and you are going with one of them. All the reasons we claim that God does or does not exist are merely reasons why we BELIEVE He does or does not exist. Whether you choose yes or no has no effect on your apparent intelligence. What has an effect on your apparent intelligence is how well you use reason to properly support your decision. Therefore, a statement like "I'm not naive enough to believe in God" is a ridiculously ironic statement, given that the complete lack of support for the arguement indicates the person's naiveté.
My belief: God exists. Why? Simple, if He didn't then there is no point to existence. Pessimism and depression sink in as I think about life gradually rotting and decaying into nothing. God serves a purpose, even if he doesn't exist. His existence, whether as a figment of my imagination or otherwise, creates an optimism and hope that makes life worthwhile. I can't understand people who don't believe in God. What is the point of breathing? Everything you have, everything you get will all someday be gone. I could throw in some scientific reasons why I believe in God but I'm pretty sure everyone's heard every last one of them already from someone else.
Now this begs yet another question: What kind of God do I believe in? You laugh. I do too, but this needs to be answered. My preference is that of (1a). There is the possibility of (2a) and (2b) constantly in the back of my mind as I picture the idea of enlightenment for myself and the following developement of power shortly after. In my next post I will outline how Quantum Physics indicates the possibility of performing miracles...
Krazie243
Well-Known Member
Alright, time for some funky science. Has anyone heard of the Double Slit Experiment? It is a famous experiment determined to see if light is a wave or particle. It was later used to determine whether an electron is a particle or a wave. The way it works is simple: If two sources of the exact same kind of wave were to begin emitting their waves and an analysis of their interference were to be noted on a wall a wave interference pattern would have bright slits separated by dark slits with ranging brightness of light between these and the number of slits would be limited only by the size of the wall. This is to say that if two sources of an identical wave where to interfere with each other the resulting analysis would look like a wave.
Now, take the same test and apply it to a particle. Now we see that objects move in straight lines so the number of slits that the objects can pass through determines the number of areas on the distant wall that will show as being hit. So, we know that waves produce wave patterns and particles produce linear hit zones. Good, onto the experiment.
Let's take some electrons and fire them towards the slits. Some will go in one slit and some in the other. If they are a way they will interfere like waves, if they are particles, they will interfere like particles. Electrons fired, and we see a wave pattern! "Perhaps it is that they are small and their particle interference pattern is messy." So let's fire a single electron at a time. Same thing - wave pattern shows up on the wall. Ok... so an electron is a wave (concluding that all of matter is not really matter but a wave) so let's see HOW this electron is interfering with itself. Theorectically it should be impossible... Electron fired, observers in place. This time we see a particle interference pattern. WTF! Ok, so we don't look at it, it is a wave. We look at it, it is a particle. What the heck is an electron? These tiny things orbit the nucleus of all our atoms and we can't even tell what they are!
So here's the theory: If we observe something, it becomes real and tangible. If we do not observe it, it is a misty existence that hasn't really chosen what it wants to be. So by merely looking in any direction we have changed what is there. Furthermore, if we begin looking at the future, we can then observe what is there (and make it real by looking at it) which is the essence of faith. However, we are not the only pair of eyes around. Everyone has eyes, ears, etc. So we must compete. When we observe the future and someone observes another future, who's future becomes real? Perhaps we must associate a strength to one's ability to observe the future (one's strength of faith) combined with the number of people in agreement (a church, a family, a small group). Thus, Quantum Physics seems to indicate that faith is a very real aspect of reality and can have effects that would defy our natural understanding of the world. So is the idea of believing in God strange? I say no. One could say that in the say way Roman Gods were made to help understand the movement of the sun or the occurence of lighting until science figured it out for real, and then apply that same argument here such that God is useless now that science can perform miracles too. But I find it statistically interesting to see that the majority of miracles that people claim to happen occur mostly in God-believing environments. Perhaps it is just because they have a lot of practice? Here's a test, let's get a lot of non-God-believing people to put their faith in my Quantum Physics explaino and see if we can start healing sick and raising dead. Maybe it is already happening. Happy cancer patients have a higher rate of recovery than sad ones. Coincidence? Nope.
So much to think about maybe?
Now, take the same test and apply it to a particle. Now we see that objects move in straight lines so the number of slits that the objects can pass through determines the number of areas on the distant wall that will show as being hit. So, we know that waves produce wave patterns and particles produce linear hit zones. Good, onto the experiment.
Let's take some electrons and fire them towards the slits. Some will go in one slit and some in the other. If they are a way they will interfere like waves, if they are particles, they will interfere like particles. Electrons fired, and we see a wave pattern! "Perhaps it is that they are small and their particle interference pattern is messy." So let's fire a single electron at a time. Same thing - wave pattern shows up on the wall. Ok... so an electron is a wave (concluding that all of matter is not really matter but a wave) so let's see HOW this electron is interfering with itself. Theorectically it should be impossible... Electron fired, observers in place. This time we see a particle interference pattern. WTF! Ok, so we don't look at it, it is a wave. We look at it, it is a particle. What the heck is an electron? These tiny things orbit the nucleus of all our atoms and we can't even tell what they are!
So here's the theory: If we observe something, it becomes real and tangible. If we do not observe it, it is a misty existence that hasn't really chosen what it wants to be. So by merely looking in any direction we have changed what is there. Furthermore, if we begin looking at the future, we can then observe what is there (and make it real by looking at it) which is the essence of faith. However, we are not the only pair of eyes around. Everyone has eyes, ears, etc. So we must compete. When we observe the future and someone observes another future, who's future becomes real? Perhaps we must associate a strength to one's ability to observe the future (one's strength of faith) combined with the number of people in agreement (a church, a family, a small group). Thus, Quantum Physics seems to indicate that faith is a very real aspect of reality and can have effects that would defy our natural understanding of the world. So is the idea of believing in God strange? I say no. One could say that in the say way Roman Gods were made to help understand the movement of the sun or the occurence of lighting until science figured it out for real, and then apply that same argument here such that God is useless now that science can perform miracles too. But I find it statistically interesting to see that the majority of miracles that people claim to happen occur mostly in God-believing environments. Perhaps it is just because they have a lot of practice? Here's a test, let's get a lot of non-God-believing people to put their faith in my Quantum Physics explaino and see if we can start healing sick and raising dead. Maybe it is already happening. Happy cancer patients have a higher rate of recovery than sad ones. Coincidence? Nope.
So much to think about maybe?
So does mine but I think I see his point (minus the science experiment bit).
For me, the question I have asked myself is:
If there is no God, afterlife or ultimate goal then why are we here? If there is no God then who (or what) created us and more importantly, why?
Then there's questions like:
If God created man, who created God? If God really cares then where is he? If God is real then why doesn't he show himself? Why did God create us?
To answer the original question, I have stopped believing in God but won't rule it out completely. No-one knows for sure or has the answers to life. Everyone has their theories, I will await the evidence.
My brain is still hurting big time from the aliens thread. So what I effectively meant was that I was going to wait until it stopped hurting before I tackle this one. I don't really see Krazie's point though. But that is okay, Krazie is obviously a deep thinker and an original thinker, whereas I am a straight line thinker who as a result is unlikely to come up with any Earth-shattering ideas of my own. The world needs original thinkers, so by taking Krazie to task on his ideas I don't want to stifle him, just make him think them through a bit more.
Calvert - it is great to hear that you are thinking very deeply about this stuff. I think that pretty much every Aspie does, at least at some point in their lives. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, don't discount the existence of God just because there are holes in the way that most people think about the subject.
And don't wait for absolute empirical evidence to present itself, as our generation is unlikely to be the first to absolutely prove or disprove the existence of God. At some point in the far distant future that may be possible, but I somehow doubt it will ever happen. Keep thinking about it, reading about it, discussing it, and figure out for yourself what belief you are comfortable with. Whether that be belief in God, belief in the non-existence of God, or (like myself) simply being comfortable with the notion that some things are unknowable, at least for us monkeys.
The name is Krazie, Krazie. And that's you 
.
No, seriously, having problems with 'motivation' for the most part of my life, I've only got a high-school diploma.
I just hope it rains in places of flowers. Especially there.
.No, seriously, having problems with 'motivation' for the most part of my life, I've only got a high-school diploma.
I just hope it rains in places of flowers. Especially there.
Wow Krazie, a lot of stuff there and despite all of that you totally missed the point.
In terms of this poll it doesn't matter what sort of God you believe in. You could believe in the muscly old guy you see on the ceiling of the Cistine Chapel, you could believe in a sentient and all powerful black hole, or you could even believe that the universe itself is God, or even the collective unconscious.
The bottom line is that whatever you think God is... if you believe in that, then for the purposes of this poll you believe in God.
Sometimes things are simple. Complicating things for the sole purpose of complicating things is not going to impress many on this forum.
Krazie243
Well-Known Member
Sigh... this sounds funny, but thinking that I missed the point proves that you missed my point. Read the first two pages of this forum and see if it doesn't become a bunch clearer. One such (currently) banned person stated "I'm not naive enough to believe in God" which was followed up by a massive series of angry posts between a bunch of people who ALL clearly missed the point of the poll as they ALL defined God as purely the God of Christians as if it were the only option.
If the poll was about the Christian God, then it should have been titled: "Are you Christian?". Because it was titled the ever so ambiguous, "Do you believe in God" I felt compelled to remind all who dared answer the question that they should not make assumptions regarding what is meant by 'God'.
boosterjones
Well-Known Member
I believe in God, and I'll return to this tomrrow if I can as I've got to go now.
This is a good topic so I'll give you my views ASAP
This is a good topic so I'll give you my views ASAP
Shiroi Tora
Well-Known Member
Ok...I tried to stay away from this thread...I don't want to offend others....but...here goes...only because I know this will bring about some good debate.
First of all...I think the question should be....should one ever BELIEVE anything by word alone. It is by word...written and spoken by one human to another...that religion is spread....and by man...conceived.
Were it not...the word would have appeared to all at the same time...in our own language and in our minds...if not...WOW...is that racism or what...YOU were the CHOSEN ones! Why...if an omnipotent being deemed you as the chosen ones...why...we must defer all thinking to you and your race! (at that time...weren't the Jewish/all other start up cultures of their religions - considered a race apart?)
And for good measure...lest we forget those all important words....maybe inscribed in the sky...ablaze at night too...just for extra good measure.
One should be open to all the evidence...for and against. There exists no evidence toward the existence of an omnipotent being...not being able to explain something does not prove another....unless it is the ONLY variable left. There is plenty we do not understand.
The scientific experiments Krazie had brought up can also be thought of as imperfect experiments. We could have been measuring other effects or the effect imperfectly measured...or our interpretation of the results could be flawed.
Now...you have a perfect mold....what else must come about as a result? We are not...we have never been.
Evil couldn't exist...the innocent wouldn't suffer...as they clearly do.
This doesn't apply to only religion...it applies to everything in life...to subjugate your critical reasoning (Subjective Reasoning over Objective Reasoning)- there is no end to how a whole people may be manipulated...to run a nation as a theocracy is one holy war away from oblivion...especially in the age of designer genes
.
A paraphrased quote from Voltaire fits quite nicely:
A man who can be made to believe in absurdities can be made to commit atrocities.
In the name of a higher authority...against the, somehow, less than human...anything can be done. This is done now...has been done throughout history. In the name of Marxism...more than 100 million had died in the last century...they were deemed to be less than human...and so...unworthy to live...they were the enemies...the ones who had been the problem all along...because the authority said. In the name of religion...countless have died...and not out of self defense.
To have allowed atrocities against the good and innocent...would HAVE to be un-god like behavior...no matter the excuse stated by the various religions.
Now...I have found TRULY religious people...as demonstrated by their actions...and by their inactions in the face of temptation...as truly honorable. I like being around them and they improve the situations of others around them.
If the word of GOD is to be believed...there can be no separation of religion and god (the word of god comes through the sacred texts...all must be believed if you base your belief of god on them). To believe in him...one must believe the words and practices...there is no other way. A person who says they believe in god...but doesn't live it...simply doesn't believe. A person who breaches the tenets of the religion freely...cannot believe in god. He simply would be so wracked with guilt (Negative Reinforcement) that he simply couldn't function. A person who truly believes would be happy all the time...he would follow the tenets without fail...presumably because they are the most important things to do in all of life...and he would constantly be internally rewarded by his knowledge of everlasting life (Positive Reinforcement by subconscious).
A PERSON TRULY BELIEVING IN A GOD...DOES NOT FEAR DEATH...PERIOD.
To not know or to not be able to fathom an answer does not automatically default one to an omnipotent being. We are here as a result of the right conditions which allow it. There exists conditions throughout the universe where life can exist...not necessarily intelligent life...but I can't see why not...just never have any visited here...another subject. We exist...therefore we can ask these questions. With evidence pointing to valid scientific reasons...and none toward an omnipotent being...my question...how could you believe in the one which is bereft of evidence?
Sorry...OP....I am on a roll... :thumbsup: I know the thread entailed far less...but this is so fun...and no...I am not done yet.
WE ARE THE GODS TO BE.
Through our accumulation of knowledge...pyramiding us upwards...(so long as we do not destroy ourselves first), we shall eventually have the knowledge to begin life and to prevent the ending of it...at least our thoughts...(Cyber saving perhaps...forever on forums... )..but I think we shall conquer cellular death in the future. We shall eventually colonize...or seed other planets...hopefully after we practice sustainable behavior...
The generation of life....the elimination of death....having all the knowledge of the ages...that is a god.
OK...unleash the tempest....let the storm begin. B)
First of all...I think the question should be....should one ever BELIEVE anything by word alone. It is by word...written and spoken by one human to another...that religion is spread....and by man...conceived.
Were it not...the word would have appeared to all at the same time...in our own language and in our minds...if not...WOW...is that racism or what...YOU were the CHOSEN ones! Why...if an omnipotent being deemed you as the chosen ones...why...we must defer all thinking to you and your race! (at that time...weren't the Jewish/all other start up cultures of their religions - considered a race apart?)
And for good measure...lest we forget those all important words....maybe inscribed in the sky...ablaze at night too...just for extra good measure.
One should be open to all the evidence...for and against. There exists no evidence toward the existence of an omnipotent being...not being able to explain something does not prove another....unless it is the ONLY variable left. There is plenty we do not understand.
The scientific experiments Krazie had brought up can also be thought of as imperfect experiments. We could have been measuring other effects or the effect imperfectly measured...or our interpretation of the results could be flawed.
Now...you have a perfect mold....what else must come about as a result? We are not...we have never been.
Evil couldn't exist...the innocent wouldn't suffer...as they clearly do.
This doesn't apply to only religion...it applies to everything in life...to subjugate your critical reasoning (Subjective Reasoning over Objective Reasoning)- there is no end to how a whole people may be manipulated...to run a nation as a theocracy is one holy war away from oblivion...especially in the age of designer genes
. A paraphrased quote from Voltaire fits quite nicely:
A man who can be made to believe in absurdities can be made to commit atrocities.
In the name of a higher authority...against the, somehow, less than human...anything can be done. This is done now...has been done throughout history. In the name of Marxism...more than 100 million had died in the last century...they were deemed to be less than human...and so...unworthy to live...they were the enemies...the ones who had been the problem all along...because the authority said. In the name of religion...countless have died...and not out of self defense.
To have allowed atrocities against the good and innocent...would HAVE to be un-god like behavior...no matter the excuse stated by the various religions.
Now...I have found TRULY religious people...as demonstrated by their actions...and by their inactions in the face of temptation...as truly honorable. I like being around them and they improve the situations of others around them.
If the word of GOD is to be believed...there can be no separation of religion and god (the word of god comes through the sacred texts...all must be believed if you base your belief of god on them). To believe in him...one must believe the words and practices...there is no other way. A person who says they believe in god...but doesn't live it...simply doesn't believe. A person who breaches the tenets of the religion freely...cannot believe in god. He simply would be so wracked with guilt (Negative Reinforcement) that he simply couldn't function. A person who truly believes would be happy all the time...he would follow the tenets without fail...presumably because they are the most important things to do in all of life...and he would constantly be internally rewarded by his knowledge of everlasting life (Positive Reinforcement by subconscious).
A PERSON TRULY BELIEVING IN A GOD...DOES NOT FEAR DEATH...PERIOD.
To not know or to not be able to fathom an answer does not automatically default one to an omnipotent being. We are here as a result of the right conditions which allow it. There exists conditions throughout the universe where life can exist...not necessarily intelligent life...but I can't see why not...just never have any visited here...another subject. We exist...therefore we can ask these questions. With evidence pointing to valid scientific reasons...and none toward an omnipotent being...my question...how could you believe in the one which is bereft of evidence?
Sorry...OP....I am on a roll... :thumbsup: I know the thread entailed far less...but this is so fun...and no...I am not done yet.
WE ARE THE GODS TO BE.
Through our accumulation of knowledge...pyramiding us upwards...(so long as we do not destroy ourselves first), we shall eventually have the knowledge to begin life and to prevent the ending of it...at least our thoughts...(Cyber saving perhaps...forever on forums...
)..but I think we shall conquer cellular death in the future. We shall eventually colonize...or seed other planets...hopefully after we practice sustainable behavior...The generation of life....the elimination of death....having all the knowledge of the ages...that is a god.
OK...unleash the tempest....let the storm begin. B)
smithgirl656
Well-Known Member
i believe in god, but i believe in science. when i think of god i think of a fatherly figure, someone who has given us wonderful things like strawberries and bannanas. i don't believe someone who will make you go to hell for wanting something someone else has. he loves you for just being you, know matter what you do wrong just like a mom or dad would. people who go to war for religion are not actually doing it for religion, they are doing it for personal or political reasons just saying it is religion.
The Penguin
Chilly Willy The Penguin
No
As we all know, science and religion quite often disagree. Because of the way my mind works,I tend to believe the science. This is not a conscious decision that I have made, it's just what makes the most senses to me. However I would never argue with anyone over their religious beliefs. Everyone is entitled to believe what makes the most senses to them. That being said, it really distresses me that there is so much death & war in the world. All over religious beliefs.
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