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Fear: Do you experience fear in situations that are probably safe situations?

Fear: Do you experience fear in situations that are probably safe situations?

  • Yes, I experience fear in situations that are probably safe situations.

    Votes: 20 87.0%
  • No, I don't experience fear in situations that are probably safe situations.

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • I am unsure whether I experience fear in any situations that are probably safe situations.

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Total voters
    23
The older I get, the more fear infests me. There's a growing tendency for catastrophizing. I have to overrule my emotional side with the logical side that knows what I'm afraid of doing will be fun/beneficial.

How easily one experiences fear would vary from person to person, even if everyone grew up in the same situation. There are genetics involved along with the environment.

I think much fear in autism is learned from bad experiences. Do something and get swatted down for it. Keep getting swatted down, and you stop doing anything out of fear. Feeling like an alien causes fear.

There could also be a greater tendency for catastrophizing. It might result from overthinking things, tracing out every possible future. And then lowballing the gains and highballing the risks.

But what if...?
 
Might be a funny one.
My son has a silicone spider and snake. And I will never pick those toys up if I don`t have too.
And when I really really need to. I grab the snake by the tip of the tail and quickly throw it away.
I fill up with fear as if it was a really snake. Eventhou I know it is just a toy.

My fear of snakes is so so deep. Even the thought of touching one freaks me out.
 
Might be a funny one.
My son has a silicone spider and snake. And I will never pick those toys up if I don`t have too.
And when I really really need to. I grab the snake by the tip of the tail and quickly throw it away.
I fill up with fear as if it was a really snake. Eventhou I know it is just a toy.

My fear of snakes is so so deep. Even the thought of touching one freaks me out.
You probably would not like my rattlesnake photography. :)
 
You probably would not like my rattlesnake photography. :)
Probably not. Looking at a picture is fine. But if there is a picture in a book of a snake I can`t even touch it without becoming very anxious.
 
I don't believe in humanity, either, so hopefully the next I meet is a person, and not a human.
I am sorry you feel that way. I did not have a lot of good experience with people either but i did manage to meet a few people i really admire. They were the kind of people that love and accept everyone as they are so i aspire to become like them too.
 
I am sorry you feel that way. I did not have a lot of good experience with people either but i did manage to meet a few people i really admire. They were the kind of people that love and accept everyone as they are so i aspire to become like them too.
I did meet a handful of truly excellent people, but I doubt they were human. Superhuman, maybe.
 
I am sorry you feel that way. I did not have a lot of good experience with people either but i did manage to meet a few people i really admire. They were the kind of people that love and accept everyone as they are so i aspire to become like them too.
I accept people better than ever, but I don't believe in hurting myself forever bumping up against people who are made of pure razor wire.
 
I would like a 4th option to be able to say that it depends on the situation.

Example: Most humans fear public speaking, as do I. Realistically, unless the crowd a person is speaking to is so hostile that they're actually likely to turn violent or deadly......most all public speaking situations are actually safe. This fear response is probably a holdover in our evolution as primates where eons ago one who put forth an idea, directive, warning, suggestion, offer, etc they likely ran more of a risk of being killed by the group.

I've had a problem in life sometimes by feeling the opposite of your polling question: I've felt safe in situations that I should not have felt safe in and as such have been in dangerous situations I should have avoided.
Very true, but for me, public speaking (on a topic I am well-prepared for and familiar with) is far lass scary than going alone to a party where I don't know anyone. One is inside my comfort zone (professionally I'm pretty confident, and I've had quite a lot of practice lecturing, training and teaching) one is not (social anxiety). I discussed this topic with a counsellor recently and it was an interesting revelation! I know how to impart information, but not how to make small talk.
 
I'm avoidant of situations that will trigger my cortisol to hurt my body more, because I have PTSD and I have PTSD due to a sensitive nervous system, an autistic brain and A LOT of horrible, terrible treatment. Different kinds of assaults, stemming back to childhood and different kinds of abuses, stemming back to childhood. My body has undergone more stress than is healthy for a person, so now, I have to be careful not to activate more stress responses than is helpful. I have had a lot of children though, naturally, and without help. for the most part, so I don't have that kind of fear. Giving birth is a dangerous harrowing thing though, as is having children, in general. It is very scary to care so much for humans you are responsible for, knowing how dangerous and difficult the world is, to live in. Plenty of what I've been through has made me stronger and wiser, but plenty has just made me tired, ill and needing extra help to overcome.
 
Please vote before you read the post. I am curious about people's perceptions before reading this as well as people's input afterward:

Last night, I started to read about a syndrome where people have too much cortisol(stress hormone from the adrenal glands), and a lot of the psychological symptoms seemed similar to autism.

I started to wonder if autism is caused by the body having too much cortisol and experiencing an unusual amount of fear(and consequentially pessimism).

For example, I wonder if we start off as children having too much cortisol, feeling too much fear, and that people see that in our faces(or smell it), and reject us for it(creating a feedback loop, where we're more scared to try to socialize).

And fear can also cause people to not do things, because of the assumption that things won't work out.

And fear is also said to heighten your senses and sharpen your thinking.

But fear seems like it would make someone less likely to look at multiple options, or try something new, or be trying to do multiple steps.

Do you think that each item in the DSM5 Autism criteria seems like an expression of fear or a result of fear?
Here is my theory for this.

Inference Edging​

The Here and Now of Autism Spectrum Disorder

If you've ever found yourself in a split-second moment where time seems to slow down, where your senses sharpen, and you're entirely absorbed in the 'now', you've experienced what I call 'Inference Edging'. It’s a phenomenon where the brain, acting as a prediction machine, narrows its focus to the immediate present – the here and now.

But imagine living with this intensity dialed up and constant, where 'now' isn't just a moment but instead your "default setting". For individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), this isn't just a fleeting experience; it's a different experience of the world.

PREMISE
This model speculates that for individuals with ASD, temporal processing is unusually anchored in the present moment, leading to a spectrum of cognitive-behavioral manifestations that vary depending on the degree of this anchoring. Such a perspective may reflect a variation in neurotypical temporal cognition and potentially provides a novel explanatory framework for the diverse presentations observed within the ASD spectrum.

It means that ASD might find some overlaps with professions like war correspondents. Consider the chain of causation here: 1) Where they are in a high state of activation for long periods and it becomes a default. 2) Then the person's temperament and personality adjust over time and it reconfigures them to actually be more like an adapted ASD person. Differences will be present of course because they adapted as an adult vs ASD people who adapt as kids. So think of these as 2 personality types that would normally be far apart, here they might start to rhyme.

This could imply that individuals like war correspondents, through their experiences, might develop 'spiky profiles' in their cognitive and emotional processing, adapting to their high-demand environments in ways that mirror some aspects of the ASD profile.

Now consider this biologically speaking. My central premise is that ASD thinking is a permanent tensing of a set of interrelated brain abilities developed for high stress situations. This suggests that it's a muscle in normal people that is flexed during high stress scenarios people become ASD configured on purpose by design of evolution. So my hypothesis here is that they are nearly identical for this reason. This is a special combat / survival mode all humans have. ASD then is a trick evolution used like keeping us infants longer. Why not produce a special subset of humans where this muscle is tensed all the time like a fuse about to burn out. You burn hotter but shorter in a way. This suggests metabolically it could affect life span, but that it could be overcome by periods of dormancy and low function. Additionally many predispositions of our neuroanatomy can be worked around metacognitively if a stable configuration is found, this also suggests why ASD become ridgid, because with a system like that, it's easy to go off the rails and go into full rage, panic/grief, care, seeking, lust, play: basically just max out any of the core Pankseppian Affective systems in various combinations, it would present as emotionally granular for each person.

With empiricism the watchword, I suggest explorations of predictive processing in ASD sensory amplification, using Bayesian and free energy principles. Comparative studies examining specialized predator cognition across mammalian classes could substantiate evolutionary theories. And simulations based on the "Inference Edging" premise may unveil new intervention angles.

Let's analyze some implications:

Adaptive advantages of "specialist" subtype: I suggest, the persistence of ASD traits could arise from an evolutionary selection for a cognitive/behavioral subtype specialized for intense focus, vigilance, pattern recognition, and rapid response. In ancestral environments, this could boost survival odds in certain niches.

High-stress brain configuration as default setting: If ASD essentially locks the brain into a high-alert "combat state," it explains the intense world perceptions, sensory amplification, need for routines, and fragility to unpredictability reported in ASD. It also elucidates the rapid toggling between hyperfocus and exhaustion.

Risk of hyper-stimulating emotional circuits: Such a primer system risks over-stimulating limbic emotion circuits like RAGE or FEAR if stressful stimuli overwhelm regulatory capacity. This may account for meltdowns when environmental demands exceed thresholds.

Alignment with high-stress professions: The parallels in cognitive traits between ASD profiles and high-stress jobs involving danger, unpredictability, and complex data integration lend credence to an evolutionary connection specialized for threat environments.
(from a much longer paper)
 
One of my most intense irrational fears is pedophobia. I was terrified of young children even when I was a child - all my life. I'm not sure "fear" is the correct word, but the sensation is the same. Somehow I relate it to a sensitivity, like being sensitive to loud noise or lighting or touch, etc.

I have no thoughts that a child is going to hurt me, but the sense of fear is panic level. Just seeing a child in the distance shoots panic waves throughout my body. Just going out for a walk can be very difficult.
 
Please vote before you read the post. I am curious about people's perceptions before reading this as well as people's input afterward:

Last night, I started to read about a syndrome where people have too much cortisol(stress hormone from the adrenal glands), and a lot of the psychological symptoms seemed similar to autism.

I started to wonder if autism is caused by the body having too much cortisol and experiencing an unusual amount of fear(and consequentially pessimism).

For example, I wonder if we start off as children having too much cortisol, feeling too much fear, and that people see that in our faces(or smell it), and reject us for it(creating a feedback loop, where we're more scared to try to socialize).

And fear can also cause people to not do things, because of the assumption that things won't work out.

And fear is also said to heighten your senses and sharpen your thinking.

But fear seems like it would make someone less likely to look at multiple options, or try something new, or be trying to do multiple steps.

Do you think that each item in the DSM5 Autism criteria seems like an expression of fear or a result of fear?
I put unsure as my vote because your answers for your test served your bias. There was no option that fear is an indicator of lack of safety as a valid response. I believe we can trust fears to an extent to lead us away from unsafe situations validly. Otherwise we would just all walk off cliffs one at a time like sheep. What if it goes deeper than fear. What is our fears are just indicators that point us to knowledge beyond the scientific realms expertise. What if some people who are germophobes can actually feel germs? What if autistics that are dominated by hearing can actually hear things subconsciously or on another plane or level? What if it’s a sort of super power to be autistic. What if an autistic dominated by smell can actually smell the skin infection on another human body? What if the chemicals that neurotypicals use to clean with actually cause damage to the lungs and skin and an autistic can sense that with one of their 5 senses? Fear could simply be the light going off in a car indicating engine failure and why turn that off if it makes you more aware of how to fix the problem? I think we are gifted and each autistic has abilities to help the world see how flawed their systems and products are so we can create new ways that don’t hurt the planet or our bodies like Temple Grandin who helped the world see as cows see.
 
I do not know if it is fear or just a healthy respect for consequences when I am standing above a Class IV rapid and mapping out my moves for a canoe, or when preparing to dive in an overhead environment like a cave or wreck. But, in some rapids, like Blossom Bar on the Rogue, I am running on Adrenaline by the end.
I also believe in a healthy respect for consequences when canoeing or cave diving and I think that adrenaline and fear are an end result and not a beginning result.
 
I can relate to this bit. It's the main reason why I'm avoidant of getting pregnant and having a baby. People treat me like I'm blissfully choosing not to have children, but it isn't like that. I get so broody and would love a child of my own, but the fear of pregnancy and giving birth really puts me off completely. I have hypersensitivity to pain so I know that I'd probably feel all the little twinges and nausea and pains associated with pregnancy more than the average woman, and giving birth (whether natural or C-section) would just kill me.
I have a fear of being unable to understand or control what my body wants to do or will do, and during pregnancy your body can do all sorts of things, including the labour.
I've only got to feel a little nauseous and I start worrying and fretting about vomiting even though every time I feel nauseous I don't actually vomit. But when pregnant nausea and sickness is fairly common, and I know I'd be focusing on that the whole time, probably being scared to come out of the bathroom. I get like that anyway when feeling nauseous. I remember when I had vertigo with an ear infection last spring, I took all my stuff into the bathroom and sat in there for like 4 hours, frightened to come away from the toilet in case I'll be sick.

It's such a shame I am this conscientious about any possible pain or discomfort that can commonly associate with pregnancy. But it's just fear; fear of being in pain and fear of vomiting and fear of being poked and prodded about by doctors and midwives, and not quite knowing what your body is going to do. Pushing during labour is like throwing up; it is hard to resist even if they're telling you not to push yet, whilst having their fingers inside you to see how much you're dilated and all of that.
I bet all that is on the same pain and discomfort level as the torture devices they used back in the 1500s to punish people.
This is why I believe in home birth with your sex partner assisting.
 
Here is my theory for this.

Inference Edging​

The Here and Now of Autism Spectrum Disorder

If you've ever found yourself in a split-second moment where time seems to slow down, where your senses sharpen, and you're entirely absorbed in the 'now', you've experienced what I call 'Inference Edging'. It’s a phenomenon where the brain, acting as a prediction machine, narrows its focus to the immediate present – the here and now.

But imagine living with this intensity dialed up and constant, where 'now' isn't just a moment but instead your "default setting". For individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), this isn't just a fleeting experience; it's a different experience of the world.

PREMISE
This model speculates that for individuals with ASD, temporal processing is unusually anchored in the present moment, leading to a spectrum of cognitive-behavioral manifestations that vary depending on the degree of this anchoring. Such a perspective may reflect a variation in neurotypical temporal cognition and potentially provides a novel explanatory framework for the diverse presentations observed within the ASD spectrum.

It means that ASD might find some overlaps with professions like war correspondents. Consider the chain of causation here: 1) Where they are in a high state of activation for long periods and it becomes a default. 2) Then the person's temperament and personality adjust over time and it reconfigures them to actually be more like an adapted ASD person. Differences will be present of course because they adapted as an adult vs ASD people who adapt as kids. So think of these as 2 personality types that would normally be far apart, here they might start to rhyme.

This could imply that individuals like war correspondents, through their experiences, might develop 'spiky profiles' in their cognitive and emotional processing, adapting to their high-demand environments in ways that mirror some aspects of the ASD profile.

Now consider this biologically speaking. My central premise is that ASD thinking is a permanent tensing of a set of interrelated brain abilities developed for high stress situations. This suggests that it's a muscle in normal people that is flexed during high stress scenarios people become ASD configured on purpose by design of evolution. So my hypothesis here is that they are nearly identical for this reason. This is a special combat / survival mode all humans have. ASD then is a trick evolution used like keeping us infants longer. Why not produce a special subset of humans where this muscle is tensed all the time like a fuse about to burn out. You burn hotter but shorter in a way. This suggests metabolically it could affect life span, but that it could be overcome by periods of dormancy and low function. Additionally many predispositions of our neuroanatomy can be worked around metacognitively if a stable configuration is found, this also suggests why ASD become ridgid, because with a system like that, it's easy to go off the rails and go into full rage, panic/grief, care, seeking, lust, play: basically just max out any of the core Pankseppian Affective systems in various combinations, it would present as emotionally granular for each person.

With empiricism the watchword, I suggest explorations of predictive processing in ASD sensory amplification, using Bayesian and free energy principles. Comparative studies examining specialized predator cognition across mammalian classes could substantiate evolutionary theories. And simulations based on the "Inference Edging" premise may unveil new intervention angles.

Let's analyze some implications:

Adaptive advantages of "specialist" subtype: I suggest, the persistence of ASD traits could arise from an evolutionary selection for a cognitive/behavioral subtype specialized for intense focus, vigilance, pattern recognition, and rapid response. In ancestral environments, this could boost survival odds in certain niches.

High-stress brain configuration as default setting: If ASD essentially locks the brain into a high-alert "combat state," it explains the intense world perceptions, sensory amplification, need for routines, and fragility to unpredictability reported in ASD. It also elucidates the rapid toggling between hyperfocus and exhaustion.

Risk of hyper-stimulating emotional circuits: Such a primer system risks over-stimulating limbic emotion circuits like RAGE or FEAR if stressful stimuli overwhelm regulatory capacity. This may account for meltdowns when environmental demands exceed thresholds.

Alignment with high-stress professions: The parallels in cognitive traits between ASD profiles and high-stress jobs involving danger, unpredictability, and complex data integration lend credence to an evolutionary connection specialized for threat environments.
(from a much longer paper)
“ASD then is a trick evolution used like keeping us infants longer. Why not produce a special subset of humans where this muscle is tensed all the time like a fuse about to burn out. You burn hotter but shorter in a way.”

I agree that autistics like myself are kept in an infantile state, preserved even in an innocent way and I believe since babies are smarter than adults and have stronger sensitivity to their 5 senses, that this gives us an intellectual and even kind of unique advantage to see the world from a clearer perspective. Social anxiety is just stranger danger.
 
Please vote before you read the post. I am curious about people's perceptions before reading this as well as people's input afterward:

Last night, I started to read about a syndrome where people have too much cortisol(stress hormone from the adrenal glands), and a lot of the psychological symptoms seemed similar to autism.

I started to wonder if autism is caused by the body having too much cortisol and experiencing an unusual amount of fear(and consequentially pessimism).

For example, I wonder if we start off as children having too much cortisol, feeling too much fear, and that people see that in our faces(or smell it), and reject us for it(creating a feedback loop, where we're more scared to try to socialize).

And fear can also cause people to not do things, because of the assumption that things won't work out.

And fear is also said to heighten your senses and sharpen your thinking.

But fear seems like it would make someone less likely to look at multiple options, or try something new, or be trying to do multiple steps.

Do you think that each item in the DSM5 Autism criteria seems like an expression of fear or a result of fear?
I have experienced something with cortisol.
These things do not just apply to autism, I think that would be a stereotype.
Women in general struggle with cortisol more because they struggle with taking on too much and stress
I used to be a lot like that and can still be at times until I burnt out. My mum is often similar or the same

So often if you are wondering about stress and cortisol and hormones well autistics cam be more susceptible but in this day and age with so many hormones probably in meat, addictive, preservatives, sugar more Women are probably more susceptible to hormonal issues.
I am not sure it is to do with overwhelming pessimism because I myself experience something like it and I am not overwhelmingly pessimistic. I try to look at things in a more positive light. Even if I was more pessimistic when I was younger, I still tried so I was not the sort to just throw in the towel and give up despite depression.
But I am not a persistent dark negative soul, I get up each day and i show up despite how I feel.
And I do get fearful about something but I am someone who tackles things and tries not to let fear get to me and a brave soul.
I have overcome fears in my life, if I have to do something I try to do it.
Whether it be go to the dentist, doctor, have tests, swallow tablets.
I have not had an easy life.
And some things you do well and some things you do not.
But in the past I never let anything hold me back and always tried with things, sometimes I failed and sometimes I succeeded.
 

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