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Got some preferences in women I would like thoughts on.

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Wolfnox

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Still, discovering things I do and don’t like but here’s what I got so far.

Can’t be a smoker. I don’t do well around people who smoke a “lot”.
Doesn’t do drugs.
Not against her having drinks so long as she is responsible about it.
Won’t accept someone who has a lot of credit card debt from frivolous shopping.
No children. I can’t handle the stress a little one brings in so far as constant attention and supervision is required.
Must work. Can’t be the only one times are too hard. Pay for her gas, car maintenance, half the bills and food costs.
I can take or leave cooking.
Cleaning would be a plus.
Especially laundry.
Similar ideals and viewpoints.
Don’t mind a tall woman. White skin, blue eyes, and a ponytail. Not frumpy or too skinny.
Most of all I’d like to feel safe around them. Talk about anything.
Of course loyal.
That’s what I got.
 
You want people to offer their opinions on your stated preferences?

To evaluate them? To tell you whether or not they approve/believe
your preferences are valid?

Or what?
 
I do not want to play that game. My preferences are for people with progressive values, intelligent, kind, accepting, with curiosity about our world, and wide ranging enjoyment of life. To me, that is attractive.
 
That is a very spesific list, could it be that you are overthinking this? Relationships usually don't start with a list of how you want a partner to be. Also, remember that relationships are also about you being a good partner.
 
On one hand, it's good to have some criteria. On the other hand, sometimes a person whom you never thought you would like, actually is a match. Having an open-minded approach can be helpful.

In the end, people get old, our good looks fail, and all you really want is a good life partner, someone whom attracts you mentally.
 
Everyone is different, but I've never really understood very specific requirements on appearance as being factors for what one finds attractive in another. Personality first and foremost has always been the most important thing to me in a partner. Having one certain hair color as a criteria for example. That's very specific. I've dated blond haired, brown haired, black haired, red haired women. That being said, I think with most people, myself included, there have to be some things about another person that you're physically attracted to and there's....zero wrong with that. There are actually people out there today that try to shame others for having ANY physically attractive preferences and/or dislikes. That's not realistic.
 
Still, discovering things I do and don’t like but here’s what I got so far.

Can’t be a smoker. I don’t do well around people who smoke a “lot”.
Doesn’t do drugs.
Not against her having drinks so long as she is responsible about it.
Won’t accept someone who has a lot of credit card debt from frivolous shopping.
No children. I can’t handle the stress a little one brings in so far as constant attention and supervision is required.
Must work. Can’t be the only one times are too hard. Pay for her gas, car maintenance, half the bills and food costs.
I can take or leave cooking.
Cleaning would be a plus.
Especially laundry.
Similar ideals and viewpoints.
Don’t mind a tall woman. White skin, blue eyes, and a ponytail. Not frumpy or too skinny.
Most of all I’d like to feel safe around them. Talk about anything.
Of course loyal.
That’s what I got.

I actually find it great that a guy says what he prefers or wants, as it annoys me much when guys settle for any woman just because she is a woman or their first, only later to find out had he had more self esteem, strength or wisdom he would have been either more patient or selective, to increase the chances of the relationship's longevity or success.

Women often have tons of desires for guys, which often they keep hidden but secretly want or need, and the same should be true for guys in being somewhat picky, and even more for ND persons who may have less tolerances. I believe in 50/50, and that means he gets his needs met just as much as hers. Granted, it may be harder to find such a partner the more needs they require, but I do not find the op's desires as unreasonable and he said in other threads he could be alone if need be.

The op is being truthful what he prefers, and women all the time have lots of needs in guys for relationships, some of
which could include: a job, humor, confidence, being tall, kindness, supportive, able to handle emotions and stress, intelligence, charm, nonsmoker or non-drinker, him must wanting kids or not, and so on. If one does not critique women for these needs, they sure should not critique a guy's needs. The days of guys drooling just over just stereotypically attractive women are over. More baggage may or may not come with that and by guys not digging deeper and expecting more.

It is a myth thus that women have a right to be more picky as they have more to lose if they enter relationships with wrong partners. I would argue both genders have equal much to lose. Abuse comes in many forms and from both genders. Also, both person's could be affected if the other caused much stress or debt, had some condition that was either severe or not compatible with the other, if the other did not put forth about 50% efforts, and when children and/or divorce is involved which can severely affect each, regarding stress, divorce, responsibilities involved, and when assets and extended families are involved.

So, good for you op, for stating your preferences. While it is true that many women, others and old school person's may or may not like you for stating such, we all can choose who we prefer to be with, and we all will be responsible for our decisions. For those who rushed into relationships, are in relationships hanging by a thread, or who had failed relationships, I bet they would have liked to ask more questions before committing, or took more time to see if their desires and needs could be mostly met by the other.

Too often persons are impatient, ignore warning or incompatibility signs, or settle for person's for the wrong reasons, and that decision could change their life forever, if the annoyances kept building in the relationship, or if the desires they originally wanted became more and more distant, and as rare will you be able to change the other. What you see is often what you get, if not worse, if one of the two rushed being together.

Everyone has a list of what they find attractive or not, at least in their heads. If one did not have such a list, I would more question those, why not? Will you tolerate anyone? Is your self esteem too low? Are you naive? Are you afraid to tell others what you want or need? Are you too extreme in your views and think guys and women must have only certain rights and/or needs? This is year 2023 where many more men and women are seeing just as many benefits being alone, or doing things non-traditionally. I find it refreshing when persons want to be more responsible before they enter a relationship, and to not play games but state things they feel they desire and need.

I do agree though having an open mind for some things is important, but not for certain things that are very important to you. In my case, drinking and smoking, dishonesty, unfaithfulness, and cold and critical personalities, I myself would never tolerate if I saw those. One that was a shop-a-holic or high maintenance, sorry I would never have been interested in that either. I did bend on a few items though, like in having children and with some other ways, but she likely did not get all her needs met either.

But, what the op said is a great start! I wish more guys did this! Women do it all the time, but just rarely disclose this. It is in their heads. That is why they will reject so many. They won't settle for anyone. The same should be true for guys.
 
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Hummm... I'd be very wary of any such generalization "women are xyz", "men are xyz".

Are you saying most women do not have specific desires in their heads what they want in a man, as I never said "All women". That would be a generalization. I will speak as I feel, which I believe to be common sense too. This is not rocket science, sorry.
 
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Things like loyalty--or responsibility--would probably cover a lot of what you listed, Wolfnox. Anyone who takes care of themselves, is mature, and cares about you will pull their weight. If you have that security and support, it's easier to negotiate little things like what chores you each do.
 
How do you know this?
Are you serious Rodafina? Do you think most women these days will be with any guy? Why are single guys on the forum and guys who do not fit stereotypes often not getting the chance if women are so not selective? Why do so many women reject guys, if they are not so selective ? Why are so many people preferring being alone these days? Actions can speak just as loud as words.
 
In my experience, males and females are equally
vocal about what characteristics they find desirable
in prospective mates.
 
Are you serious Rodafina? Do you think most women these days will be with any guy? Why are single guys on the forum and guys who do not fit stereotypes often not getting the chance if women are so not selective? Why do so many women reject guys, if they are not so selective ? Why are so many people preferring being alone these days? Actions can speak just as loud as words.
I am serious.
I just didn’t know how you knew this.
I know very little about “most women.”
I have not spoken to most women, so I don’t know what unspoken thoughts they have in their minds.
 
Most women have standards and preferences
I certainly hope that most men have standards and preferences too!

I bet there's a plethora of men out there who could reject me, not because they're too selective, but because we're not a good match (I'm a woman).
 
I am serious.
I just didn’t know how you knew this.
I know very little about “most women.”
I have not spoken to most women, so I don’t know what unspoken thoughts they have in their minds.
Sorry, Rodafina, I did not know common sense had to be proven. It is common sense far more women than not will not pick any guy to date or to be in a relationship with.. And as my past post said, look at actions, not just words. Most people can make reasonable conclusions and statements, and based on their own experiences and seeing others' experiences in life, and after research or knowing about relationship topics. My statements seem very reasonable.

Generalizations occur everyday, as does black and white thinking for those with certain conditions. They are needed to make sense of things that occur more common than not and to make decisions and weigh risk. If I thought I said anything inappropriate I would have admitted wrong there, but I actually am surprised that what I even said is debatable. I Iearn something new everyday. Where are all those not picky women giving Tony and Mark a chance? And before I met my wife, for every ten that said no, only one was willing. My experiences and other guys should not be invalidated, by some suggestion most women are not selective. That is absurd.
 
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