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HEALTH INSURANCE WOES.

Thanks for sharing. :)

Unfortunately the bad news is that I'll have to file the penalty. The good news isn't good...but unless I make some real money to the end of the year the penalty will likely be a moot point for me. Easily my worst year in the market.
That really blows. But for your sake, I hope that the 8% rule both with and without the Premium Tax Credit makes insurance deemed too expensive for you and you're spared that annoying penalty. And I hope next year you have a better time with the market. (Er, I'm having a wee bit o' trouble trying to offer options without making anybody out what they make, so let me know if I'm getting too specific. :sweatsmile:)
 
That really blows. But for your sake, I hope that the 8% rule both with and without the Premium Tax Credit makes insurance deemed too expensive for you and you're spared that annoying penalty. And I hope next year you have a better time with the market. (Er, I'm having a wee bit o' trouble trying to offer options without making anybody out what they make, so let me know if I'm getting too specific. :sweatsmile:)

Thanks. If I can ever make some headway beyond just trying to cover what goes out, I'm hoping to someday be able to pay for health insurance. But right now it seems like a distant possibility watching premiums and deductibles continue to rise with the apparent blessings of government.

It looks like for this year that penalty won't likely apply unless I start making some real money to the end of the year. We'll just have to see.

I've just managed to shed my post-war baby boomer mentality about things my generation took for granted in the past. I have no "American Dream". It's only about survival...not much different than what my depression era parents grew up with. No expectations, no entitlements. You just do what you can to survive in real time.
 
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Judge Ain't that the truth. Sometimes I want to cross-compare today with the Great Depression and see how alike it is. And thank goodness for thrift stores! Fabulous places. It's like an indoor yard sale. Or is that the flea market?

There is a kind of cap on healthcare costs. If anybody charges more than the government deems fit, there will be a 40% excise tax, but I don't remember if that was going to be on the insurance company doing it, the individual, or both. My head was still reeling from the penalty number crunching.
 
It's me, Angie, and I'm grumpy with a big headache! I needed some health insurance after I was made into a 24 hour a day cat mom. I was looking for short term insurance that would cover things like a car accident or an unplanned surgery. I'm pretty healthy without any chronic health problems, don't smoke, have never had any surgeries, got a clean bill of health at my last annual checkup, etc. I could find NO INSURANCE COMPANY (except Assurant Insurance that was referred to me by State Farm) in Kansas that had any "catastrophic" insurance. I finally was able to get a plan from Assurant that covers any "catastrophic" happening with a deductible of $5,000 and a monthly payment of $140. If it wasn't for this plan, I would have been thrown into an Obama Plan with a monthly charge of around $275 and a deductible starting around $7,000!!!!!! I knew the Obama Health Care was bad, but now that I'm having to actually look into health insurance (I've always had a job with good insurance benefits) I don't know how people are affording this crap! And if you don't get any health insurance then you will be subjected to the penalty which my agent said right now will be $95 then I believe will increase to $600! The plan I just bought doesn't fall under enough insurance for the Obama Plan so I will most likely be subjected to the penalty charge as well. I can't believe that people aren't more upset over this than they are.

What health insurance do you guys have?
I feel bad for you. The biggest reason that I waited as long as I did to be self-employed, was the cost of insurance. Once I turned 65, I got medicare. Add a affordable medicare advantage plan and I'm set. My wife has the same plan. The fact that you are TEMPORARILY unemployed makes the insurance problem a big one. At least with the Assurant Insurance you wont end up owing tens of thousands of dollars if something really bad happened. I wish I had magic solution for you, but I don't. But it is important take care of yourself and hang in there. Good luck!
 
For the rest of us Americans, we will be judged by the cost of the Bronze plan. If the cost of the Bronze plan is deemed to take up over 8% of our gross household income, we're in the clear. Kinda. If you are too poor, you will need an official rejection notice from the marketplace saying so, and you will have to apply for a certificate exemption number somewhere on healthcare.gov so that number can be put on your tax return so you don't get slapped with a pretty little fine. (But that gets kind of muddled if you make too little to file in the first place. One part says you need the number, the other doesn't. Your call.) That $95 isn't exactly the yearly fee either. It's the minimum monthly fee. The max you're truly liable for is roughly the cost of a Bronze plan for twelve months, and at $95/month the maximum penalty is $1140, if that is greater than 1% of income above the filing threshold. Example, single person made $15,000 and threshold is $10,150. 1% = $49, thus $95 monthly fee since the flat rate of $95 is greater than $49. If you made $30,000, your penalty is $199/month. But it's capped at 300%! You won't owe any greater than $285/month this year! Isn't that so sweet of them to limit this year's fully maximum penalty to $3420 per person? *sarcasm* Oh, and it finishes increasing around 2016 at about $700/month, pending adjustments for cost-of-living inflation and should never exceed the cost of buying the Bronze plan.

I can't $%^&* believe this ^*%$#!!! This is the first I've actually heard of how this is gonna play out. How is this even Constitutional to force people to buy health insurance or be penalized? I knew ObummerCare would be bad news, but this is even beyond my expectations. Sadly, we had a Proposition on the ballot in California on 11/04 that would have had some effect to dismantle the ACA, but it was voted down. :(
 
It's me, Angie, and I'm grumpy with a big headache!

I was thinking about you this morning. Sorry to hear you're having to deal with this mess. If the government has its way, we'll all be working just to pay our taxes and penalties.

I hope this will be a very short-term setback and you'll find new employment soon.
 
"It's a tax."

-Chief Justice John Roberts

It's the tax that's only a tax when it's convenient to be a tax. Otherwise, it's a "penalty" (read: threat, intimidation). Ol' CJ Johnny Bobs needs to look up "coercion" in the dictionary. Our forefathers are spinning in their graves.
 
It's the tax that's only a tax when it's convenient to be a tax. Otherwise, it's a "penalty" (read: threat, intimidation). Ol' CJ Johnny Bobs needs to look up "coercion" in the dictionary. Our forefathers are spinning in their graves.

Don't shoot the messenger. You'll have to take that one up with Chief Justice John Roberts.

I didn't see it coming myself. I was flabbergasted. But "round two" is coming up...
 
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Don't shoot the messenger. You'll have to take that one up with Chief Justice John Roberts.

I didn't see it coming myself. I was flabbergasted. But "round two" is coming up...

Sorry, I wasn't actually directing that at you. :oops: I get all riled up over politics. :mad:
 
I understand only too well. Often complicating many of my stock decisions.

Yes. Politics now affect all aspects of American life. And you're right, there is no more American Dream. When someone like Angie can't get immediately re-employed in the healthcare industry, that says something about where we're heading.
 
Yes. Politics now affect all aspects of American life. And you're right, there is no more American Dream. When someone like Angie can't get immediately re-employed in the healthcare industry, that says something about where we're heading.

Sometimes I feel like I exist in an earlier century....where everyone "lived without a net." o_O

Is it wrong to become too accustomed to such a thing? Sometimes I suspect some of y'all think I'm nuts. :eek:
 
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Sometimes I feel like I exist in an earlier century....where everyone "lived without a net." o_O

Is it wrong to become too accustomed to such a thing? Sometimes I suspect some of y'all think I'm nuts. :eek:

Not really. I have no 'net' either, maybe that's the way with some of us older ones ;)
 
Net? What is this Safety Net you speak of? Is that the magical thing where you have a nest egg in the bank in case something bad happens? :yum:
I had one once. Then I got married, moved out, and tried to be a responsible adult instead of a happy teenager living at home not causing trouble. All my nest egg went to bills and ridiculous $300 down payments at utility companies (and a few medical incidents), and my credit was ruined because my name was put down as primary on a few utility bills, and utility bills check your credit. And I moved seven times in two years shorty after I got married since we were chasing jobs from one end of the state to the other trying to keep ourselves fed because the job market SUCKS MONKEY BUTT HARD these days. How come they can ruin your credit but they can't build it back after you've kept your bill paid the whole time? Talk about a double standard!

It's the tax that's only a tax when it's convenient to be a tax. Otherwise, it's a "penalty" (read: threat, intimidation). Ol' CJ Johnny Bobs needs to look up "coercion" in the dictionary. Our forefathers are spinning in their graves.
It's actually called the "shared responsibility payment" since it came from the Individual Shared Responsibility provision. I find that more insulting than "penalty" since they're not even being honest about what it is.

I have heard the newly elected were at first going to try to work with and keep this monstrosity, but last I heard they're going to be working to repeal the whole thing. Whether or not they will try and whether they'll be successful, I don't know. There is a loooot of empty talk in politics just to get a vote. But it's comforting to think not everybody in Washington is skipping down the halls and patting themselves on the back at having this passed.



Blehhhh, my turn to fuss! So I went checking to see about Marketplace health insurance. I would be paying a minimum of $350 for me and my husband, and the only deductible we could afford was $12,000. (I should also note that because we're below the poverty line, we do NOT get a tax credit. If we made just above the poverty level, we'd pay nothing for each of us with an $12,700 deductible. How's that for screwed up?) Of course they'd pay everything after the deductible was met, but we'd never meet it, even with my husband being diabetic! Say we continue going to the only affordable clinic we know of, and they no longer help us get insulin for free now that he has insurance. We'd be buying his insulin on our own, on top of the clinic fees we already pay. Which is a good deal, $40 for a check-up and A1C blood test is pretty good. But that might bump up to standard since we have insurance and be $150+ per visit. But assume it doesn't jump, between health insurance and his cost alone we'd be paying $11,000 just in health stuff, and that's not counting me being blind as a bat and my own issues! And naturally, no bloody health insurance covers vision. I can't afford $11,000! I'd have to pick up two more jobs on top of the two I've got!

What's the point of having insurance if it doesn't pay anything you need it to!? I hate deductibles. Hate, hate, hate them! The one time we had insurance was a few years back through his employer, and it was a whopping $95 per week ($400+/month). We only tried to use it once, for a little $25-$50 incident from the factory not providing good work conditions, and they refused to pay. We payed more than enough for them to cover it and they were supposed to cover work-related problems regardless! So we dropped them and haven't had insurance since. We can't afford that garbage.
 
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