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HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!! I have a 12 year old with asd and I'm lost

Hi and welcome. Just to add, as having high autistic traits or Aspergers or being on the autistic spectrum appears to be quite hereditable, it could be that parents, grandparents or other family members are on the autistic spectrum. This can be a factor to consider when understanding reactions to the diagnosis and how different people handle it.

Also, just to make it more complex, women on the spectrum often tend to go under the radar due to their socialisation to learn skills to accommodate others and to internalise distress and fit in, being greater.

Your son appears to have a lot going on, but also plenty of positive factors here, he's bright and he's getting support. This is a good place to find information and support.

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="Autistamatic, post: 666897, member: 20706"]"Male role models" who dole out harsh punishments on an autistic child have a good track record of destroying families and losing the respect & love of their child. Punishments don't explain anything and explanation and understanding is the only language most of us understand.

" I compleatly agree and understand that and i have never implied harch punishment what i referd to is utliest sit down with him and explain that this is not good and and make it clear (NOT by harch punishment ) this is a big no no "

A logical explanation of why behaviour has been counter productive is far more valuable than any punishment could ever be.

" I agree and still we have a consequence of his action with the talk "

We must know WHY we are doing wrong.

" I agree 101 % "

Punishment without that understanding on a deep, logical, fundamental level just leads to resentment. It is aversion therapy by another name. We're teaching kids values, not training dogs not to foul the carpet ;)

" Again no arguments there "

For many of us the knowledge that we have hurt the people we love is punishment enough - we don't even realise that is what we've done until we are told.

" I agree "

I can speak from personal experience and that of a huge number of autistic people who have shared similar experiences. Typical punishment/reward doesn't work on us as a rule, even if it seems to. The resentment is brewing underneath, even if it doesn't show on the surface.

" i can understand the logic of that statement "

This "role model" may seem to fix the problem in the short term, but the son (in this case) will likely resent him forever and like many of us have done, cut off contact at the earliest adult opportunity.

" What i said was this role modell (his dad ) needs to step up and be the dad on all accounts incl helping the kid to know the bounderies ( a good leader can both guide his /her flock as well as disceplin and corect when someone is doing wrong and you DONT ned to use violence for that nor always harch punishment "

People who love each-other support each other. They don't punish behaviour that they don't understand.

" I agree 101 % and again to make this Crystal clear i was NOT refering to harch punishment all i said was there has to be clear information reg the bounderies. this can just as easily be done by sitting down and explain that this is uneceptuble behavior . if you dont do this even just because said kid has this or that diagnose the kid will grow up without having to learn that certain things are not acceptable ;) "
 
="K80Co, post: 666925, member: 23790"]hi everyone,
Thanks for all of your replies. We live in Queensland Australia so some things you suggested while quite a good idea just wont happen as we don't have these things here. He does have ADHD, Anxiety (he suffers severe separation anxiety when away from me)

" I have to admit i suspected ADHD( as you see i have it as well ) and thats were you have the testing bounderies. No impuls control and easy to lead astray (Classic MALE version of ADHD (us girls show ours more subtle with more introvert and anxiety etc )

when he was 18 months old he got chicken pox and one left a scar on his eye, just before his third birthday the scar ruptured and after many months in hospital and numerous operations he lost the sight in his left eye and with all of these struggles he fights through and I am so proud of him and in awe he is simply so brave and strong.

" Im sorry to read that i also had to spend ALLOT of time in and out of hospital most of my young years (dident come out from the hospital until i was 3 ( Lip jaw & palate cleft ) "

I myself am not really a drinker and we don't usually have a lot of alcohol in the house.

" As i now got confirmation that he also has ADHD i can say he tests his limits as all ADHD kids do, same with the smokes + he also seen his so called friends doing this and so he wants to fit in so he do the same. The lashing out attacks is a common reaction for us when things are being pushed to far and our stress level goes thru the roof (incl Anxiety ) "

Part of me is hoping some of his behaviours just stem from puberty (hahahaha) that way things will settle down eventually.

" Unfortunatly yes puberty does have role in this but as you also see with this comes more challenges from his diagnosis as well "

His school are doing things to challenge him more when school returns at the end of the month. His behaviour does get worse when he is bored but boredom is part of life so I am trying my hardest to teach him this. When he goes into "melt-down" there is no way of getting through to him it is like his brain switches off

" Im well familiar with the swiching on and of in his age yes. And i can also understand that boredom and under stimulation for him must be torture . BUT he needs to be able to find a way to deal with boredom "

it usually goes one of 2 ways he either flips his lid and stuff gets thrown and his father gets hit or he runs away typical fight or flight

" He needs to get help in finding a way to control his switches and this can be done trust me but it will take time and allot of support from all around him. The fight or flight is clacic ADHD. and the throwing stuff although NOT good and needs to be dealt with is a way for him to handle the melt down "

and I really don't know which is worse sometimes Having to restrain a mini hulk or not knowing where the mini flash has run to.

" I understand that this has to be very hard for you both indeed. Usely when we flight we just run to a in our mind safe and calm place not to far away so probaly within the house or perhaps if you live in house the garden somewhere . what we do in that mode is just trying to calm down and not doing anything really and we need this or we will compleatly break down so although i compleatly understand youre worried when i takes flight but in general as i say its not dangerous "
 
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During his melt-downs, as long as he isn't doing anything physically harmful, every interaction that is more than nothing can wait.
 
Hi,
I have 5 boys and my second eldest is 12 and has high functioning asd. He has gone from being normally lovely and trustworthy and respectful to a completely different kid. He has stolen alcohol and cigarettes, he reconnected with a friend from primary school who reackons he is an "eshay" so my darling boy decided he wanted to become one too so he even tried making bongs at home (we think we have dealt with that). His violent outbursts have increased and are happening more often. He had cognitive testing done and his English skills are that of an 18-30 year old, he is soooo smart and has always done school work above his grade but last years report card was the complete opposite. We are hoping it was just because he moved from primary school to high school, at school he is in the special education department simply because the routine is more regimented, smaller class size, less noise, and he will be able to build a bond and trust easier with the teachers and the teachers will almost always be familiar (that's the hope anyway). His father cant wrap his head around the asd and just says his behaviours are because he is nasty or attention seeking and our son will end up in jail before he turns 18 he just really does not get it or understand at all. They do not have the best relationship so a lot of the time I feel as though its just me its exhausting. Nothing has really changed so I just don't know what is going on with my beautiful boy. He sees a psychologist (but hasn't been able to see him for about a month due to the holidays and the pysch changing clinics) and he has a paediatrician. Anyway just thought I'd see if anyone has any ideas or advice

How and when did your son get diagnosed with ASD (if by the DSM-IV, which specific type of ASD was he diagnosed with)?

At school, is he receiving a modified curriculum or is he receiving a regular curriculum but just in a modified environment at times? Does he have any support lessons (e.g. social skills lessons) at school? Is he included in mainstream classes, and if so, does he have someone like a teacher’s aide with him in any classes or does he attend all without one? Does he have any apparent or non-apparent verbal processing or language issues as far as you are aware or not? What exactly do you mean by “violent outbursts”? Did he ever consume the alcohol and cigarettes he stole or not?

What are his strengths? What issues does he struggle with?

As for stealing alcohol and cigarettes, that (as you know) is completely unacceptable, and I think some options may be to have a talk with him about why it is wrong (e.g. hurting other people’s feelings, against the law, taking something that someone else has bought without permission, health risks if alcohol and tobacco consumed especially at his age), and ensure he returns them to wherever it was stolen from. If the behavior continues, I think disciplinary consequences to correct the behavior may be appropriate (however, this is just my opinion and I am only a layman and not in any way professionally trained in parenting techniques or special needs management).

As for whether he shows attention seeking behaviors, I’ll be honest and as someone diagnosed with Autistic Disorder/PDD-NOS I’ll admit that I did do some inappropriate things for attention when I was a teenager. However, I am not for a second suggesting that your son does the same, and sometimes motives for a behavior from another person may be wrongly assumed. One of the problems you seem to be facing though is that your son’s father doesn’t seem to understand that your son may have some challenges related to his ASD diagnosis? Does your son’s father believe that your son has ASD?

Also, since in a later post you mentioned your son also has ADHD and anxiety, perhaps his stealing might have been influenced by his possible impulsivity and perhaps he needs to learn a way to manage impulsivity?

May I ask what behaviors are you referring to when you say “His father cant wrap his head around the asd and just says his behaviours are because he is nasty or attention seeking”?
 
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I think a mistake many of nts and even i make sometimes is to deem soneone sooo smart based on one select ability.

He doesn't seem smarter than the avg kid, he is rather even more troubled as his issues have piled up, and he lacks life experience and abilities to survive healthily, maybe data too.

I think we need to stop regarding such individuals as almighty. He may be a genius in one area, or maybe not even, but geniuses have to do a bigger effort to make a good smart living happen. They are vulnerable to tons of things, situations, incorrect thinking. And they may be difficult.
 
We must know WHY we are doing wrong. Punishment without that understanding on a deep, logical, fundamental level just leads to resentment - we don't even realise that is what we've done until we are told. Typical punishment/reward doesn't work on us as a rule, even if it seems to. The resentment is brewing underneath, even if it doesn't show on the surface....the son (in this case) will likely resent him forever and like many of us have done, cut off contact at the earliest adult opportunity.

My behaviour changed when I was about 12/13 too. In my case, I was affected by changes in my family situation & coming to terms with changes within me due to puberty as well. We've no control over hormones. It was also the point I sort of lost my childhood and became aware of the world outside of it, albeit naively.

I fell in with an older crowd & emulated them to a degree. I went from being a quiet, studious nerd to someone who was suddenly unpredictable & gained cool status. I wasn't at all, I was totally freaked out. My body was changing, I couldn't make sense of the world & felt horribly pressured etc. What Autistamatic says about punishment is totally true for me, I resented the hell out of my father's disciplinary response & it lasted a lifetime.

The only advice I can give is, I did respond to other adults I respected who very subtly gave me sound life advice. Not 'lectured too', but spoke to me as an adult & very cleverly gave me some form of responsibility, however small. This pulled me back as I didn't want to let them down. It negated my instinctive fight or flight reaction as I didn't feel threatened. Is there anyone else in your family who could do something like this, a teacher he admires perhaps? Another thing to remember is this is common in all children, who experiment to learn & puberty is an awful time which starts way before it's visible & lasts years. It's not necessarily an ASD thing but that will magnify things.
 
Its unaidful to have therapists if hes unable to open up to them about things. I have a hard time talking about my issues to my therapist.

He may be afraid to say things that are against the law too, no one wants themselves or their parents to get in trouble with the law.
 
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Hi,
I have 5 boys and my second eldest is 12 and has high functioning asd. He has gone from being normally lovely and trustworthy and respectful to a completely different kid. He has stolen alcohol and cigarettes, he reconnected with a friend from primary school who reackons he is an "eshay" so my darling boy decided he wanted to become one too so he even tried making bongs at home (we think we have dealt with that). His violent outbursts have increased and are happening more often. He had cognitive testing done and his English skills are that of an 18-30 year old, he is soooo smart and has always done school work above his grade but last years report card was the complete opposite. We are hoping it was just because he moved from primary school to high school, at school he is in the special education department simply because the routine is more regimented, smaller class size, less noise, and he will be able to build a bond and trust easier with the teachers and the teachers will almost always be familiar (that's the hope anyway). His father cant wrap his head around the asd and just says his behaviours are because he is nasty or attention seeking and our son will end up in jail before he turns 18 he just really does not get it or understand at all. They do not have the best relationship so a lot of the time I feel as though its just me its exhausting. Nothing has really changed so I just don't know what is going on with my beautiful boy. He sees a psychologist (but hasn't been able to see him for about a month due to the holidays and the pysch changing clinics) and he has a paediatrician. Anyway just thought I'd see if anyone has any ideas or advice

What you are describing, unfortunately, is not that uncommon. I say this not to minimize the situation, but simply to point out you are not alone with this phenomenon.

What I am going to say is from the perspective of someone who: (1) an autistic with a "photographic" memory, and clearly remember those details about myself at that age, (2) a parent who has raised two boys, (3) someone who works at one of the largest children's hospital in the world, who is a prolific reader of the scientific literature, and has some understanding of developmental neurobiology, and (4) works side-by-side with a predominantly female staff,...moms, who often discuss their children.

1. Socially and psychologically, my interpersonal skills were not up to the level of my peers,...not an obvious thing as a child, but as a pre-teen things started to become more difficult. 11-13 years of age,...I was very insecure,...frankly, everyone is insecure,...trying to be "cool" and trying to "fit in". Anyone who was "different",...regardless of the reason,...was a target of bullying. Those "middle school" years were absolutely awful. All of sudden is was cool to curse like a drunken sailor, pick on kids, verbal, physical abuse. For me,...my way "out" was athletics,...just be the strongest kid in school,...and the bullies backed off,...it was the only way I could survive. This was the time when people discovered smoking cigarettes, marijuana, amphetamines,...girls were groped and fondled,...it was terrible. Now, today, the kids are on social media,...and the peer abuse is relentless,...at least when I was a kid, we could escape. Kids now-a-days can't turn that crap off. Throw in ASD,...things are likely amplified.
2. The pre-teen and teenage years,...hormonal changes,...neurotransmitter changes. I was calm and relaxed,...or highly aggressive and angry. When I was in high school,...lifting weights,...a testosterone level off the scale,...I would literally lie in bed, muscles pumped, breathing heavy, sweating,...could hardly sleep. I would be "pumped up" 24/7,...for years. My personality,...I was a total jerk,...and nobody dared challenge me physically. My hair-trigger temper and my physical ability,...you're "messing with Sasquatch".
My own boys were not athletic,...but once that testosterone kicked in,...dear Lord,...absent-minded,...my wife and I were "on them,...all,...the,...time." We were so tired. Brush your teeth, put your dirty laundry in the hamper, how come you didn't turn in your homework,...on and on. How could incredibly intelligent boys turn into complete idiots?
3. "Asperger's" and "high-functioning autism" is one of the "low dopamine" neurological conditions. Having said that, we are always seeking a "dopamine hit". Winning a video game, getting a "like" on a social media post, the dopamine hit from a hard workout, a smile of acceptance from a peer,...and especially a girl. Whatever it is, if his friends are laughing and giving him positive feedback,...that crap is a powerful thing,...like an addictive drug. Do a Google Scholar search for "autism and dopamine",...you will find several scientific research articles on the topic.

I don't know if anything I said "hits home",...I could write a lot more on the topic,...but I'll save you from myself. I hope this helps.
 

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