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HELP ME!

Yeah it's not that I can't possibly fathom someone who isn't straight harassing someone who is straight. But it's certainly not common for non-straight people to harass straight people because they're heterosexual. But I do see heterosexual people harassing non-straight people quite a bit because they aren't straight.

But I find some blanket statements about non-straight people above offensive and just plain total nonsense. Non-straight people feel superior in their sexuality? Non-straight people go around "shoving" their sexuality in people's faces? Really?? Lol OK. I don't know where they go, but I live in NYC, with more than 8.5 million people here, and I have seen things most people here in this forum will never see in their lifetime. And I can guarantee there are absolutely zero non-straight people going around flailing dildos and silicone vaginas around to threaten the heteros.

Oh, right, those parts! Sorry, I may have filtered them out. It's such old-fashioned, over-done, evidently ridiculous rhetoric that it went through my brain and slipped back out. I don't think I have the capacity to have an emotional reaction to it anymore.

There will always be people, at least for another few generations, with these beliefs and there's a psychological explanation for all of them, so I don't think it's worth any effort responding.
 
True. Which is why I alluded to it instead of directly responded at first. I just don't think anything we say will change others' minds about things they probably are so hard set against.

It was tough for me, gotta admit. I tend to be confrontational when it comes to rude and ignorant people with inhumane opinions and ideas:D But I do know when engaging with people like that is a complete waste of time. I feel like the more outrageously rude and ignorant and inhumane the comment, (the types of things that make you think, "Did this troglodyte just crawl out from a swamp after a 500-year nap?") the more unreachable and unteachable that person is.
 
It is true that not all gay people are like this, but sadly, many are and that is why it feels that it is the whole lot.

There are straight people who do the same thing to gay people but nobody ever suggests that it has anything to do with them being straight (e.g. straight men constantly hitting on gay women, despite knowing they are gay and that they are not interested) -- it's not about sexuality, it's about an individual having no respect for other people's boundaries and preferences.
 
Since I am being falsely accused of homophobia, I will try to explain where I'm coming from. I should have done that to begin with to prevent knee-jerk assumptions that I dislike gay people. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Prior to the 1980s, gay people were relegated to the closet, shamed by society for their sexual preferences. In that decade, gay people began trying to take charge of their own narrative and becoming open and public. Gay people began flocking to places like the bath houses on Castro Street in San Francisco and the French Quarter in New Orleans. Risky sexual behavior among gays increased. HIV and Aids were just being discovered in the gay communities and homosexual men began dying in droves. The medical community did not know what Aids was and there was no cure or treatment, only palliative care at end stages. In 1984, one of my best college friends from San Francisco visited me in New Orleans while on his final trip around the world before he died of Aids. He knew death was inevitable and came to say goodbye. He expressed regret for having lived a promiscuous lifestyle in SF where he thought he contracted Aids, with multiple partners every night. It was going to cost him his life.

During that era, as homosexuals became more open, some also became emboldened to show their gayness publicly, as a statement of defiance to society's repression. In New Orleans, where I lived, throngs of gay men began congregating in the Quarter. They partied hard, drinking and drugging, they stripped down to virtually no clothing or they wore sexually suggestive clothing to attract others, they hung out on the balconies that lined the streets in the quarters and shouted things at tourists and others who were passing down the streets. They blatantly did "bump and grind" movements against each other on those balconies and in the streets in full view of tourists and children. Some apparently enjoyed being exhibitionists. They wolf-whistled at passing men whom they thought attractive even though they did not know if the passersby were gay or straight. They aggressively flaunted their homosexuality for the first time in history just because they could. They had no respect for other people's sensibilities and boundaries. Their behavior was deliberate and intended to tell the world that they were gay and proud of it.

Their out-of-control public behavior alienated tourists and locals alike. I don't care what people's sexual preferences are, but I don't want their preferences shoved in my face where I have to look at them or listen to them, regardless of whether they are straight, gay or something else altogether. I don't want to watch a heterosexual couple pawing all over each other, either. Some things need to kept private, discrete and respectful of others.

The city of New Orleans began experiencing a backlash and bad publicity from people who were offended by what was going on in the Quarter. The city wanted those tourist dollars, they wanted to attract tourists and promote a more family-oriented atmosphere than existed, and therefore began cleaning up the Quarter by ticketing aggressive and nearly naked homosexual men for breach of peace and public indecency to discourage that kind of aggressive behavior. It worked, things settled down, tourists and locals stopped complaining so much about the public conduct of gays.

The Quarter has a large gay population today. It is valued by the city and brings in a lot of gay tourists. But no one bumps and grinds on each other half naked except during the annual gay pride parade which tourists and their children can avoid if they wish, or shouts sexual slurs at passersby because it is not tolerated anymore.

So, back to the OP's request for help here, about being harassed by homosexuals and in response to the few posters who flatly deny that such a thing could happen or insist that the OP did something to deserve the harassment, I responded with my experience with living in New Orleans and witnessing what was going on. You can call me, Suzanne, and other posters here who expressed comprehension and personal experiences with aggressive gay men liars and homophobes but it does not change what we have seen ourselves.
 
The assumptions were not "knee-jerk". Your words were very clearly homophobic. I am not the only one who sees it this way, I was the only one though who shined a spotlight on it.

You may personally know gay people. You may even like some gay people. But that doesn't automatically negate any homophobic ideas and opinions you may have of them.

Whatever your ideas of gay people and others in the community, if they are essentially rude and condescending, then best to keep them to yourself. There are a lot of people in that community who are in this community, and not once have any of us bashed heterosexual people even though I, and I'm sure others here too, have experienced hate because we are not heterosexual. So clearly those blanket statements about gay folks are not only false, but they are harmful. They are also (willfully?) neglectful, considering that the history and statistics of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community are so extensive that they make your one historic reference look like a mere fraction of a millisecond in the time span of human history.

I will not outright discount anyone's experiences, because I wasn't there. I didn't see it, therefore, I do not know what happened to the OP that he thinks gay people are targeting him. I will say though, that looking at the extensive history of hate and violence against gay and trans people at the hands of heterosexual people, that his claims appear to be "quite dubious". Also, I will not argue anyone's perceptions, because there is absolutely no point in doing that. However, others here questioned his perception, and rightfully so, because again, his claims just do not make sense and do not match up with the actual history and statistics of hate and violence against gay and trans people.

Despite your homophobic first post in this thread, I would actually hope you learn and do better than to say such things, because it does appear that you can do better. And it's absolutely vital that people know the difference between giving one's opinion, and coming across as rude, judgmental, condescending, and harmful. I think it is highly possible for all people to express themselves without making ignorant comments, but for some reason, people don't want to try.

Anyway, that is all I have to say on this. I've completely ran out of spoons, and I have much to do so I don't want to expend anymore energy.

Peace.
 
Since I am being falsely accused of homophobia, I will try to explain where I'm coming from. I should have done that to begin with to prevent knee-jerk assumptions that I dislike gay people. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Prior to the 1980s, gay people were relegated to the closet, shamed by society for their sexual preferences. In that decade, gay people began trying to take charge of their own narrative and becoming open and public. Gay people began flocking to places like the bath houses on Castro Street in San Francisco and the French Quarter in New Orleans. Risky sexual behavior among gays increased. HIV and Aids were just being discovered in the gay communities and homosexual men began dying in droves. The medical community did not know what Aids was and there was no cure or treatment, only palliative care at end stages. In 1984, one of my best college friends from San Francisco visited me in New Orleans while on his final trip around the world before he died of Aids. He knew death was inevitable and came to say goodbye. He expressed regret for having lived a promiscuous lifestyle in SF where he thought he contracted Aids, with multiple partners every night. It was going to cost him his life.

During that era, as homosexuals became more open, some also became emboldened to show their gayness publicly, as a statement of defiance to society's repression. In New Orleans, where I lived, throngs of gay men began congregating in the Quarter. They partied hard, drinking and drugging, they stripped down to virtually no clothing or they wore sexually suggestive clothing to attract others, they hung out on the balconies that lined the streets in the quarters and shouted things at tourists and others who were passing down the streets. They blatantly did "bump and grind" movements against each other on those balconies and in the streets in full view of tourists and children. Some apparently enjoyed being exhibitionists. They wolf-whistled at passing men whom they thought attractive even though they did not know if the passersby were gay or straight. They aggressively flaunted their homosexuality for the first time in history just because they could. They had no respect for other people's sensibilities and boundaries. Their behavior was deliberate and intended to tell the world that they were gay and proud of it.

Their out-of-control public behavior alienated tourists and locals alike. I don't care what people's sexual preferences are, but I don't want their preferences shoved in my face where I have to look at them or listen to them, regardless of whether they are straight, gay or something else altogether. I don't want to watch a heterosexual couple pawing all over each other, either. Some things need to kept private, discrete and respectful of others.

The city of New Orleans began experiencing a backlash and bad publicity from people who were offended by what was going on in the Quarter. The city wanted those tourist dollars, they wanted to attract tourists and promote a more family-oriented atmosphere than existed, and therefore began cleaning up the Quarter by ticketing aggressive and nearly naked homosexual men for breach of peace and public indecency to discourage that kind of aggressive behavior. It worked, things settled down, tourists and locals stopped complaining so much about the public conduct of gays.

The Quarter has a large gay population today. It is valued by the city and brings in a lot of gay tourists. But no one bumps and grinds on each other half naked except during the annual gay pride parade which tourists and their children can avoid if they wish, or shouts sexual slurs at passersby because it is not tolerated anymore.

So, back to the OP's request for help here, about being harassed by homosexuals and in response to the few posters who flatly deny that such a thing could happen or insist that the OP did something to deserve the harassment, I responded with my experience with living in New Orleans and witnessing what was going on. You can call me, Suzanne, and other posters here who expressed comprehension and personal experiences with aggressive gay men liars and homophobes but it does not change what we have seen ourselves.

I love you, but this made you sound significantly more homophobic than before. So much more. I didn't even consider your initial post homophobic, but I guess you did since you took our undirected comments as being directed towards you.

And even if you can admit you're homophobic, so what? I assume you're not attacking anyone. You're consistently kind as far as I can tell. There's no need to be ashamed of your views.

And nobody's appearance of homophobia in this thread, as I've said twice, has had anything to do with accounts of their personal experiences. I offered several of mine, as well. I appreciate the sharing of these experiences.
 

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