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How Will I Live Without Food Stamps?

@OP

It sounds like you and your daughter are considered to be a household, hence why her income impacts your benefits.

Given she is now an adult, have you looked at how a household is defined for the purposes of the programs you're in (SNAP, OHP, etc.) and what changes (if any) would be needed to have your daughter split off and constitute her own household?
 
This is so unfair! I'm sorry @Yeshuasdaughter , others have already suggested everything I could think of suggesting. I'm glad that you are trying to look on the bright side, it does seem scary, I've had some similar experiences. I hope you find a solution or can maybe qualify for alternative assistance. There may be some charities that can offer advice on alternative assistance you can apply for.

I could really get up on my soapbox here! I think it's so unfair when things like this happen! I will keep my fingers crossed for you!
 
Just recently brought two huge boxes of ramen and two cartons of eggs to my neighbor. She just had soup only. She feeds 9 cats, l can't critique her.

Sorry. Everybody gave excellent advice here. I am seeing homelessness in my area now. It's scary times. Thrift stores maybe a good way to go for food. We have a woman's resource center that does a lot of good for those that need places to live. We also have the Family and Child Jewish Center that is a clearing house for many state and county and federal programs. Do you have any such agencies? Legal Aid may not help with an appeal, but may find an attorney to take it to satisfy their pro bono hours. I just bought protein powder, because l am cutting my food costs. Have my fingers crossed for you.

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/bulk-smooth-peanut-butter-5-lb-tub/999PBCREAMY.html
I was surprised see to web restaurant store.com had a 5lb container of peanut butter for 10.00. They also have bulk items like noodles, beans. Just be careful of spices as some toxic metals have been detected lately in them.
 
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Let's not blame those who administer programs (i.e. don't shoot the messenger). Administrative decision makers are ultimately bound by the legislation and jurisprudence that they work within. It doesn't bring them joy to have to tell someone that they can't get the assistance they're seeking.

The elected representatives at the state and federal level are ultimately the ones who decide what programs will look like within their respective jurisdictions, and they are the ones that one would appeal to for changes.
You make a good point, this mess is clearly a group effort.
 
I have never in my adult life, since I was about 21 years old, lived without food stamps. My EBT card has been my lifeline for many, many years.

I just got cut off the program. I am in my forties.

I do not know what to do. I am so very scared of hunger.

I almost lost my housing too.

I am very scared.

I don't know what to do. How do I live?

My daughter is living at home, and she has a job, and is going to school online.

She is barely out of HS. She is an aspie and also physically disabled. She is not prepared to be a breadwinner. She does not want to live at home supporting her mother, but the state says that because she makes a certain amount, I (the mother) can lose my only lifeline I've had in poverty: food benefits, subidized housing, and free medical care for things like cancer treatment. If I were to lose my subsidized housing, she could never, ever move out, or I would be homeless.

For context, this almost happened when she was 16 and working part time at the mall. ANY extra income, even from minor children trying to get work experience, is considered income to the parents, and the state will cut you off of benefits. They do not intend it this way, but it dissuades young people from getting jobs, saving up, and becoming self sufficient. It reinforces the cycle of poverty.

Hey youngin, you aint getting off Uncle Sam's Plantation that easy.

It's terrible.

And I literally do not know how to live. I make less than 1000 a month in a West Coast city, on my SSI. And my section 8, I had to wait nearly a decade to get. It is my one protection against homelessness.

My building is also subsidized, a very rare thing in my city, where there is a massive homeless crisis. If I go down, we both go down. We really don't have any family connections to help.

How do I buy groceries? I'm getting a food box today, but that's only about a three or so day supply, and you can't get those more than once or twice a month from whatever agency or church.

I am so scared.
I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. Sending you strength and good thoughts.
 
Thank you everyone, for such kind support.

My question is: How do you budget for food? How much of your income do you set aside? How do you ration the money to make sure you have groceries all throughout the month?

Everything is so expensive these days. I had a hard time, even with the food stamps, being able to stretch that money past the middle of the month. So I would buy pantry staples, that would last, and are versatile for many different kinds of meals.

For two people, how much should I be budgeting?

What helps you?

Please, I would like that kind of advice.
 
@Yeshuasdaughter - I don't really budget for food but do use staples a lot to create tasty, inexpensive meals. Rice and dried beans, seasonal vegetables and fruits, occasional splurge on meats and seafood keeps down cost.

Grocery stores often sell slightly bruised vegetables and fruits and ones that need to be eaten (or frozen, etc.) as soon as possible at a bargain price. Check the prices on frozen veggies, too, as they are often less expensive than fresh veggies and often more nutritious.

Local farmers here sell fresh eggs for $2.50 per dozen but you have to go pick up the eggs at the farms. If you know how to bake bread, you can save a lot of money by making it yourself. If I have leftovers that we are tired of eating, I freeze them for later or I make soup with them.

Buy whole chickens. I know you know how to cut them up.

I use coupons, too.

I've always thought that you know how to stretch a dollar and you know how to cook. You can do this!
 
I found this...

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/how-much-should-i-spend-on-groceries
I don't follow this myself but it might help you get some ideas going.

The best thing I can think of is to buy food items that don't perish quickly. So if you can get frozen or canned versions of the things you usually buy fresh, then you can stock up. Canned my be better than frozen as you don't have to wedge so much in the freezer.

If you have one, it's worth making meals in a (we call it a slow cooker), I think you may call it a crock pot. They sip power throughout the day, so you put your ingredients in and 8 hours later you have a meal. There's lots of recipes online for cooking this way, and it saves on your electricity bill.

Dry foods can be cheap too. Things like pasta or rice, if you keep them in sealed containers (basically fold down the bag and clip it with a clothes pin), they can last almost indefinitely. So it's worth stocking up on these sorts of things.

Make meals in bulk, portion them out and freeze them. Then you can chuck them in a warm oven or microwave until warmed through and ready to serve.

There's a YouTube channel I like to watch sometimes called Under the Median. The creators are super sweet people and they have loads of thrifty tips! :-)

https://m.youtube.com/@UndertheMedian
 
If you live near on in a big city, look at the app TooGoodToGo. You need to be able to have a Paypal account though that has credit card. Or, if you have a trustworthy friend nearby who you can pay to get this for you, sometimes you get a lot of food for so little money- especially for grocery co-ops or similar.
 
For my entire adult life I've tended to estimate the mean average of the cost of a single meal predicated on the price of major frozen dinner manufacturers. Which inevitably leads to a "lowball" estimate. But then it also keeps me in a better place budget-wise. Leading me to inevitably consume far less fresh vegetables and fruits in favor of less expensive canned and frozen goods.

I also try to eat at least one carton of eggs per month as well. Usually as Denver Omelettes. So I do buy three particular vegetables each month. A white onion, green pepper, roma tomatoes and lettuce. With only one pound of 85% lean ground beef per month as well. I do enjoy making pasta casseroles. Once a month I like to splurge and buy an $11 pizza (Papa Murphys) I bake in the oven myself. But then given the amount, it makes for at least four meals or more for one person. Far more economical than a burger and fries from Wendys.

But in my own case I've never considered myself to be a "cook". Which I suppose can make a lot of difference. And taking multi-vitamins, with no certainty of whether they help or not.

Not suggesting this is a particularly healthy methodology, but for me it continues to work into old age. Though I continue to periodically panic when a certain food is off the market either temporarily or permanently. Where adjusting to eating something else isn't so easy. Maybe that's more autism than anything else...I'm not sure.

I once asked my cousin how she budgets buying groceries, and her curt response was, "I don't". IMO it's better to have some kind of methodology than none at all. Where you can look at what you spend each month and try to strive for some kind of mean average so you aren't overspending so much.
 
Thank you everyone, for such kind support.

My question is: How do you budget for food? How much of your income do you set aside? How do you ration the money to make sure you have groceries all throughout the month?

Everything is so expensive these days. I had a hard time, even with the food stamps, being able to stretch that money past the middle of the month. So I would buy pantry staples, that would last, and are versatile for many different kinds of meals.

For two people, how much should I be budgeting?

What helps you?

Please, I would like that kind of advice.

Without the money or means to buy food because of limited funds they only thing you can really do is spend your time as a resource. You've proven yourself as a capable cook. Is your daughter into the idea of cooking as well? Either way, you might have to go for the econo foods and make as many of your own meals as possible.

Legumes are cheap, filling, healthy and they go a long way. Refried pinto beans can be made in an instant pot or cooked on the stove. Lentils! Beautiful lentils. Curried Lentils are amazing over rice or quinoa (always rinse quinoa thoroughly before cooking it to wash off the saponins that make it bitter otherwise) and generous amounts of hot sauce. Lentil burger patties....I'd eat the ones I make on a bun equally as much as having a good hamburger.

Cabbage: So many things can be done with this vegetable. I like using it to make veggie patties (shredded cabbage, boiled then drained and pressed, beaten egg, flour, onions and spices fried in a little oil or butter are divine with whatever sauce you make with them (e.g. yogurt/dill sauce, tartar sauce, mayo, sour cream or...plain). You could even put one on a bun and eat them like a burger.

If you're fine with conventionally grown food then eggs, while more expensive than they used to be, are still a cheap protein source. I'd think of eggs long before buying meat if I was on a limited budget. The possibilities are endless.

Meats: If you're fine with conventionally grown food, then buying things like fresh turkey necks to simmer at length to make great broth and then use the meat for whatever you want. If you can buy chicken feet you can usually get them very cheap. Chicken feet make outstanding broth. Yes I've cooked with them quite a few times. If you can find a store that sells chicken backs inexpensively, then you've hit the jackpot since they make the best broth ever and have a bunch of meat on them to separate from the bones. You could even ask at meat counters as to whether or not they have chicken backs available and how much they are per pound. I'm not exaggerating when I say that a few chicken backs can be the foundation to a huge pot of chicken vegetable soup with noodles, dumplings, rice, barley, etc. Even though I think dumplings are tasty and so easy to make, I haven't made them in years ever since I made a big pot and was backed up horribly for a week. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary on that front...:neutral:)

Making/baking your own bread from scratch. There are many different ways to do this including "no-knead" breads that are more like "quick-breads" even though they're yeasted.

Whole grains. Brown rice is cheap and easy to make. I read some scare-mongering article recently that brown rice has a lot of arsenic and cadmium in it but I don't see how such a statement could be made for all brown rice regardless of origin. There is California grown brown rice for example and asking the manufacturer about arsenic and cadmium levels seems like it's a reasonable pursuit if desired.

I'm not a Dietician, but I would venture that a combination of the above types of foods including some fruit now and again, a few other assorted vegetables including leafy such as kale, etc and healthy fats (e.g. unrefined oils, butter, ghee, nuts, seeds) would be a diet a person could live on and be healthy doing it. A note on nuts: I've read that sunflower can be inflammatory.

The only challenge in the above for those who can cook is...time. If a person has the time to cook their own food, make meals to freeze, etc then they can live without spending much on food.
 
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One other thing to consider is that if you are under 65 but on perpetual Social Security Disability, what your options may be relative to Medicare Advantage plans. Those that offer a certain monthly cash allotment for groceries. Perhaps around $60 a month. Though with such plans you may not like whatever tradeoffs there may be between hospitalization concerns between your existing plan and a new one.

In my own case this additional amount of money comes in handy in being able to buy those fresh fruits and vegetables that I once considered too expensive to buy. But then I'm not a medicare recipient, but simply drawing SSI as a retired person, aged 67.

https://www.medicareadvantage.com/resources/medicare-advantage-for-people-under-65
(Please, no debates over such plans. I'm just throwing it out there as a possible option if the OP is eligible.)
 
@Magna l agree wholeheartedly, lentils are so cheap at the India store. And huge bag and organic. You can make lentil pita, and it's filling. @Judge has got great ideas, eggs from Walmart here in Florida are 5 dollars, that's 60 large eggs. During the pandemic, they were 11.00 dollars. I eat deviled eggs, and omelets, buy corn tortillas, 30 for 3 dollars, and can eat egg tacos loaded with salsa and avocados. Today l saw someone slice up tortillas into strips, drop in pan load some cheese and mixed egg, and turn it into pizza crust cooked in pan. You can pick up bottle of protein whey, 20 dollars for 20 servings, and you are getting daily protein needs met. Mix into oatmeal, or soup, or flour mix for muffins. Buy 10 dollar peanut butter container from the link in my other post. 5lbs of peanut butter lasts a long time in fridge for two people. Finally, ramen for 12 pkgs at Walmart is 3.47, and currently they have chicken, beef, shrimp choices. Throw a fried egg or two on top, and some hot sauce, and you have a inexpensive meal. As @Mary Terry says, the stores usually have a markdown section in the back. Also just ask them if they sell day old bread, can be used for many things. @MildredHubble - l like nerdwallet.
 
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@Magna l agree wholeheartedly, lentils are so cheap at the India store. And huge bag and organic. You can make lentil pita, and it's filling. @Judge has got great ideas, eggs from Walmart here in Florida are 5 dollars, that's 60 large eggs. During the pandemic, they were 11.00 dollars. I eat deviled eggs, and omelets, buy corn tortillas, 30 for 3 dollars, and can eat egg tacos loaded with salsa and avocados. Today l saw someone slice up tortillas into strips, drop in pan load some cheese and mixed egg, and turn it into pizza crust cooked in pan. You can pick up bottle of protein whey, 20 dollars for 20 servings, and you are getting daily protein needs met. Mix into oatmeal, or soup, or flour mix for muffins. Buy 10 dollar peanut butter container from the link in my other post. 5lbs of peanut butter lasts a long time in fridge for two people. Finally, ramen for 12 pkgs at Walmart is 3.47, and currently they have chicken, beef, shrimp choices. Throw a fried egg or two on top, and some hot sauce, and you have a inexpensive meal. @Mary Terry says, the stores usually have a markdown section in the back. Also just ask them if they sell day old bread, can be used for many things. @MildredHubble - l like nerdwallet.

Keep in mind that with limited physical mobility in the inner city can also limit where and who you buy your groceries from. Not to mention as the OP already pointed out how such retailers are abandoning locations in the inner city given increasing incidents of shoplifting. Becoming a real problem in urban locations all across the country. Seeing well-known competitive names in retail now evaporating depending on where you live.

Often leaving only "Mom & Pop" grocers with well....atrocious prices. I have a Safeway so close, yet so far in terms of reasonable pricing. Where I have to drive a few miles to get to the nearest Walmart. Not to mention gasoline at $5.16/gallon at the present.
 
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True that, Walmart does deliver here but l know that may not be feasible for the OP. There are 3 Walmarts on my street which is a busy interstate road. Four major supermarkets also. Just lucked out on this location l bought into. @Judge , l loved Safeway, l finally got to revisit it in LA, there was one Hollywood blvd. In LA, the stores there were Ralph's. Or Trader Joe, or Safeway. Vons was a really great grocery store. Then the higher end grocery stores where a small bottle of jam was seven bucks. I lived in the Asian stores, as everything was cheaper, healthier. Those stores were packed wall to wall people, because money goes farther there.
 
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I have never in my adult life, since I was about 21 years old, lived without food stamps. My EBT card has been my lifeline for many, many years.

I just got cut off the program. I am in my forties.

I do not know what to do. I am so very scared of hunger.

I almost lost my housing too.

I am very scared.

I don't know what to do. How do I live?

My daughter is living at home, and she has a job, and is going to school online.

She is barely out of HS. She is an aspie and also physically disabled. She is not prepared to be a breadwinner. She does not want to live at home supporting her mother, but the state says that because she makes a certain amount, I (the mother) can lose my only lifeline I've had in poverty: food benefits, subidized housing, and free medical care for things like cancer treatment. If I were to lose my subsidized housing, she could never, ever move out, or I would be homeless.

For context, this almost happened when she was 16 and working part time at the mall. ANY extra income, even from minor children trying to get work experience, is considered income to the parents, and the state will cut you off of benefits. They do not intend it this way, but it dissuades young people from getting jobs, saving up, and becoming self sufficient. It reinforces the cycle of poverty.

Hey youngin, you aint getting off Uncle Sam's Plantation that easy.

It's terrible.

And I literally do not know how to live. I make less than 1000 a month in a West Coast city, on my SSI. And my section 8, I had to wait nearly a decade to get. It is my one protection against homelessness.

My building is also subsidized, a very rare thing in my city, where there is a massive homeless crisis. If I go down, we both go down. We really don't have any family connections to help.

How do I buy groceries? I'm getting a food box today, but that's only about a three or so day supply, and you can't get those more than once or twice a month from whatever agency or church.

I am so scared.
Move maybe to cheaper cost of living state like new mexico?
 
If you live near on in a big city, look at the app TooGoodToGo. You need to be able to have a Paypal account though that has credit card. Or, if you have a trustworthy friend nearby who you can pay to get this for you, sometimes you get a lot of food for so little money- especially for grocery co-ops or similar.
My girlfriend loves this app! It can be a little hit and miss until you figure out which stores tend to give you better value products. Best to avoid the convenience stores and gas stations, but local bakeries and decent sized supermarkets can be a good place for bargains! :-)
 
Always check out the ''meat manager's daily specials", too. I have found some great beef roasts on sale, very cheap and a whole lot of protein.
 
Always check out the ''meat manager's daily specials", too. I have found some great beef roasts on sale, very cheap and a whole lot of protein.
That's where paying attention to ads for grocers like Safeway can pay off. On occasion they have sale prices that rival- even beat Walmart at times.
 
True that, Walmart does deliver here but l know that may not be feasible for the OP. There are 3 Walmarts on my street which is a busy interstate road. Four major supermarkets also. Just lucked out on this location l bought into. @Judge , l loved Safeway, l finally got to revisit it in LA, there was one Hollywood blvd. In LA, the stores there were Ralph's. Or Trader Joe, or Safeway. Vons was a really great grocery store. Then the higher end grocery stores where a small bottle of jam was seven bucks. I lived in the Asian stores, as everything was cheaper, healthier. Those stores were packed wall to wall people, because money goes farther there.

That's a great point about ethnic stores. I often shop at the Mexican and Asian food stores. In fact, the Asian store has the best fresh seafood in town, and the Mexican store often has the freshest and cheapest produce imported from Mexico and the cheapest canned or dried beans. I love the genuine Mexican cheeses and good quality tortillas I can get there.
 

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