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I am human

Spoonboy

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I guess I am Autistic. For my own sanity I have to conclude I am just the same as any other human. All humans are insane. I am no more insane than any other human.

I am not weird. People think I’m weird. People are weird because they think weird. People think I am weird. Their thinking is weird. Therefore they are weird.


Michael
 
Normal doesn't exist in the form society desires. It's a perspective. Like alot in life.

Reject group think. Return to individuality.
 
I guess I am Autistic. For my own sanity I have to conclude I am just the same as any other human. All humans are insane. I am no more insane than any other human.

I am not weird. People think I’m weird. People are weird because they think weird. People think I am weird. Their thinking is weird. Therefore they are weird.


Michael
I'm weird. Accepting that helped get me through my preteen and teen years. Adult too, really.
It's accurate by its definition. I am well outside of most norms.
 
I'm weird. Accepting that helped get me through my preteen and teen years. Adult too, really.
It's accurate by its definition. I am well outside of most norms.

"Weird" is a heck of a lot more interesting (and fun) than normal in any case.

"Normal" is boring.

Or at least that's how I think of it.
 
I was lucky enough to have an impactful teacher when I was about 13 who would always say "Weird is Wonderful!" She helped me embrace the weird and attach a sense of comfort and confidence to feeling different.

I like to think of "normal" in a very personal way and so I really only consider what is normal for me and what may be abnormal for me. Don't care too much what that means for a wider sample size than little old me.
 
"Normal" is a socially constructed paradigm and does not have any absolute validity or basis. It is just what most people have implicitly agreed to be an acceptable set of standards.
 
@Spoonboy, autism is not a matter of sanity or insanity. It is not a matter of weird or not-weird. It is just a matter of difference. Living with this difference can be difficult, especially when you don’t realise it. It wasn’t until after over 60 years that I realised my difference. But here you are welcome. Here we are all different, in our own ways. I hope this can help you release your pain.
 
"Normal" is a socially constructed paradigm and does not have any absolute validity or basis. It is just what most people have implicitly agreed to be an acceptable set of standards.

This is a great point. I'll add to this that normal comes from a Latin word meaning to make square. Instead of thinking of normal as right or acceptable, I try to remind myself of its real meaning to make uniform and into a specific shape.
 
I guess I am Autistic. For my own sanity I have to conclude I am just the same as any other human. All humans are insane. I am no more insane than any other human.

I am not weird. People think I’m weird. People are weird because they think weird. People think I am weird. Their thinking is weird. Therefore they are weird.


Michael
Find me one medical condition which has something so utterly unique to the human condition - you'll struggle to find one. The overwhelming majority of people like to believe they know what 'normal' is. Even if you looked at a condition like schizophrenia and specifically hallucinations - people hallucinate all the time. Kids think they heard or saw a monster in their room, or saw a ghost - they saw what their developing brain created.

You are no less human than the next person.
 
Even if you looked at a condition like schizophrenia and specifically hallucinations - people hallucinate all the time. Kids think they heard or saw a monster in their room, or saw a ghost - they saw what their developing brain created.
I have narcolepsy, and for decades have had hypnogogic (just before sleep) hallucinations. Twice, while working graveyard shift, I had hallucinations while I was awake and functioning. My neurologist/sleep specialist told me with narcolepsy it's not uncommon to have wakeful hallucinations. The two I had while working at night were clearly hallucinations because both were very unlikely appearances (a large Buck Deer, and my young son at work) which each vanished after a second or two.
However, my most recent hallucination (as far as I know) happened in broad daylight at work. A security guard riding a bicycle (not unusual at my workplace) made an abrupt 90 degree right hand turn and vanished into the solid brick wall of a building. Nothing made me suspect he wasn't real until he vanished into the wall. Now, I literally have to call into question everything I have seen in my life back to the age of 14 when the narcolepsy first became apparent.
That's a little disconcerting.
 
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Only the Aspie High Council can decide what is weird.

;)
 
I'm weird. Accepting that helped get me through my preteen and teen years. Adult too, really.
It's accurate by its definition. I am well outside of most norms.
Lucky man. I was weird as a kid and paid quite a price for it. Accepting it didn't happen until I was able to live on my own. Finding other weird people helped, but for that, I had to leave home. Not a lot of HF autistic, nudist, Mensans in rural Michigan. Moving to California didn't just save my life, it gave me a life.
 
I have narcolepsy, and for decades have had hypnogogic (just before sleep) hallucinations. Twice, while working graveyard shift, I had hallucinations while I was awake and functioning. My neurologist/sleep specialist told me with narcolepsy it's not uncommon to have wakeful hallucinations. The two I had while working at night were clearly hallucinations because both were very unlikely appearances (a large Buck Deer, and my young son at work) which each vanished after a second or two.
However, my most recent hallucination (as far as I know) happened in broad daylight at work. A security guard riding a bicycle (not unusual at my workplace) made an abrupt 90 degree right hand turn and vanished into the solid brick wall of a building. Nothing made me suspect he wasn't real until he vanished into the wall. Now, I literally have to call into question everything I have seen in my life back to the age of 14 when the narcolepsy first became apparent.
That's a little disconcerting.
I don't think you need to worry about it. Nothing you saw back then is going to change anything today. Just accept it for what it seemed.

Nobody has an accurate memory of the past anyhow. Ten eyewitnesses will describe an event in ten different ways. Some of them will be so different you'd wonder if they'd hallucinated. No different than seeing a stick and creating a snake in your head.
 
Statistically, "normal" is the distribution of a Bell curve. It has no moral component. A Bell curve that had the tails (extreme ends) truncated would be quite abnormal.

Most people define themselves as being normal. They want very badly to be in that fat part of the curve because that's where everyone else is. They want to belong. The subjective view of normal is the fat part of the Nell curve - with the person putting themself somewhere near the middle - and then projecting a moral judgment onto those who are not within the fat part for being different. By judging someone "not virtuous," they get to feel "virtuous" in comparison.

I'm not a big fan of that POV.

The way I look at normal is what you'd expect to happen if you knew all the prior conditions. Your life, genetics, epigenetics, experiences, environment, and the conclusions you've reached are all unique. If one could know all of these things, then one would know what is normal for you.

Everyone has a different normal, and despite outside pressure, they tend to return to it. Very much like a string on a guitar. It has a place it "wants" to be, a place of minimum energy. You can pull on it and move it to another position, but it always resists and will return to normal after it is released.

Staying in a place that is NOT normal for you requires energy, and you'll always tend to return to where you are most comfortable. And that is why masking and other forms of denying your nature are so stressful. There's a cost/benefit analysis to be done before denying a fundamental part of your personality, and sometimes it isn't worth it. It is often better to find other people who share your idiosyncracies - or find "acceptable" ways to share them with ordinary people - than it is to fight them.

 
I don't think you need to worry about it. Nothing you saw back then is going to change anything today. Just accept it for what it seemed.

Nobody has an accurate memory of the past anyhow. Ten eyewitnesses will describe an event in ten different ways. Some of them will be so different you'd wonder if they'd hallucinated. No different than seeing a stick and creating a snake in your head.
I haven't really stressed over it. More of an intellectual observation. My long term memory has always been detailed and accurate. When someone who shared an experience from my past says something a little off from how it happened, I point out the inaccurate part(s), and usually, once reminded, they're like "oh yeah!, thats's right!". But once in a while, they'll swear something different. Maybe some of those represent hallucinations.
Or not.
 

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