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I know how to waste lots of money.

Metalhead

Video game and movie addict. All for gay pride.
V.I.P Member
How about buying thousands of movies and games in the hopes that it would make my place really nice for people to visit, only to have next to no visitors?

How about buying liquor to drown out the loneliness?

Or junk food?

Or anything else I can do in the lonesome confines of my house?

I need no more of any of this. I have enough movies and games. I do not need liquor or junk food. What I need is probably an everlasting sleep, where I would bother the world no more with my complaining.
 
Dude, you gotta stop this... enough is enough. You're a smart guy, I think you know better than to do this repeating cycle of pointing out how awful everything is, over and over and over. The only thing that's gonna do is drag you ever deeper. Is that what you want?

Look, I get it. I've DONE that. Many times... too many. It's not easy to get out of. But eventually either you put your foot down and say "no, I'm gonna stop doing that" or it just continues to control you. One way or another though, you've let this go WAY too far. I've seen the sheer number of bad status posts you've been making, though I refrained from saying anything until now. Too far.

Find other ways to engage with people. I know you want in-person interactions, but sometimes you gotta start small. Right now you're not in a good mental state for that type of in-person interaction... it's just gonna be corrupted by this cycle of negativity you've got going for you. I tell you this from experience. Start slow. Find communities online related to things you enjoy talking about. Get some light interaction from those, and go from there.

Diving head first into the deep end of ANYTHING when you havent even tried walking calmly into it and are also super rusty to begin with never ends well. You want a GOOD in-person interaction once the chance comes to you. Not one that goes sour immediately because they spot that negativity and react badly to it.

One way or another though you arent gonna get anywhere until you put a stop to this cycle. You either take a stand against it and take steps to climb out, or it consumes you. Which choice are you gonna make?
 
@Metalhead,

I agree with @Misery that beating yourself up about things is not going to help your situation now. I understand this behavior, because I have done it too, but it is something that we can control. When you hear yourself thinking negative things about yourself and your choices and even your failures, you can quiet that voice tell it to shut the hell up.

I think that negative voice that we can each hear in our heads over and over again is actually telling us where we want to change and where we can make choices to do better. You don’t have to listen to that voice and put its words out into the open. You can focus more on what to do about it. You know you will only get support from us, but the real support needs to come from within.

Recall the days a month or two ago when you were motivated and making many positive changes. Sure, it was too many positive changes and led to a crash, but maybe just picking up one of those things again can get you out of the slump.
 
I want you to know that I have paid attention at what you wrote. I am sorry that you are experiencing that.

I have given courses on personal finances to people at it does not work, most people going to those courses did not wanted help neither followed tips. They wanted to vent, to be listened and to feel they are important and control their lifes. So being told what to do with their money was not helpful.

I have recomended very good books on personal finances and investing. It does not work. People dont want help. They just want to be the protagonist, to be said "you did all you could", " dont worry bro, I also like junk food". People want to think there is nothing to do, so they can't be told they failed and cant be told "you have a load of work to do if you want to get out of this hole".

So as people nor want or need help, there is nothing I can do to help. I can just read and feel your misery.

You dont need help.

You already know what to do.
 
So what is the issue here, if we cut through all the rhetoric, what are you really saying? I hear l am depressed again, because my life feels intolerable. So l am asking you, as a forum member, why does life feel so bad right now? Can you open up about this?
 
I want you to know that I have paid attention at what you wrote. I am sorry that you are experiencing that.

I have given courses on personal finances to people at it does not work, most people going to those courses did not wanted help neither followed tips. They wanted to vent, to be listened and to feel they are important and control their lifes. So being told what to do with their money was not helpful.

I have recomended very good books on personal finances and investing. It does not work. People dont want help. They just want to be the protagonist, to be said "you did all you could", " dont worry bro, I also like junk food". People want to think there is nothing to do, so they can't be told they failed and cant be told "you have a load of work to do if you want to get out of this hole".

So as people nor want or need help, there is nothing I can do to help. I can just read and feel your misery.

You dont need help.

You already know what to do.
Ok, to start, I am sorry Metalhead has it tough. You wasted lots of money on things trying to please others or to not be lonely. You have a crappy job, abusive family, and you could have been so further along in life and functional had they not been so mean, selfish and not caring, and had you not had a condition and had you chose better paths or been stronger to tell your family to get lost. Some things you could not control, but you suffered needlessly and learned lots there from all that misery too.

We cannot turn back the clock though, but move forward. Do you think I and others here enjoyed living with one or more abusive parents, dysfunctional family, having not ever felt like a typical person, been mostly silent or awkward feeling and been bullied so many years, having had no caring relationship, or not until much later in life? Do you think I enjoyed having no friends up to age forty other than my brother? Do you think I enjoy being born small in size, not having any treatment or substance to cope through those years, because of parents that hid their secrets and abuse. And do you think I enjoyed being unable to work outside my home most of my life? We all here have suffered. I am sorry for that, but many will make the best of the situation, not forever dwell on it, and they will use their wisdom and any little energy they have to propel them forward in life.

So I mostly agree with Atrapa Almas. Why give advice to any as it likely will lead to nowhere but excuses for many to fail or remain the status quo, or lead to some desire for more continual support. I mean, although there will be exceptions--those that will truly listen, engage, put forth an effort, prioritize their stated needs, and act on some advice or to be reasonable in attitude--there are many NTs and others who just may be only able or wanting to be heard and supported or who will not truly consider more, for whatever reason, even if they state or suggest a need to be assisted. That is their choice, and I respect that, but you will just live or not with the results.

People may need mainly support through their difficulties partly because:

---They feel they are not ready to act on any advice, certain advice, or to do other needed things to better the situation.
---They do not have the stress tolerance for that, or their anxieties, sensory issues or sensitivities may be too great.
---Their views could be too rigid or narrow minded.
---Their priorities may be on the wrong things.
---They may have a hard time initiating and completing tasks,
or they may have procrastination issues.
---They may not have clearly stated goals
---Or the goal may be too big so they do not have belief in succeeding so they never try or give up
---Specifica!ly, they may lack the energy or motivation (physical or mental) to accomplish that attainable goal. That may require first finding ways to eat heathier, sleep better, exercise more, get some needed medication or to be more positive and worry less)
---Disorganized thinking makes them do goal tasks out of order which causes more difficulties achieving things
---Distorted thinking
---They lack the knowledge or a plan how to get to accomplish their goal (often not true) as lots of specific advice is given besides support)
---They refuse to Act or they give up if things don't go to plan
---They refuse to alter their paths if roadblocks occur, or to create and follow through on other tasks needed to make that goal's success more likely.

Now, some here will say all that stuff sounds too complicated or those things I said won't work for them. True,if that is your set thinking.. However, some person's may have much of that knowledge or foundation already, but just could be overlooking one important thing, or need just one such thing there or some push there. And it is not complicated to find ways to think more positively and worry less, even if much abuse occured in their lives, through simple research.

Anyway, find something that will work for you even, as yes, we all are different and have different abilities, limitations, needs, and desires, with different genetics and life experiences. If this means picking something small for you to head down a better path, and sticking with it, and then when that is not enough, find something else to add to a more healthy way of thinking, feeling and living .

Mostly nobody cares if we succeed or fail, and not many are going to feel our pain, regardless if the others are abusive or not, unless like a few to several here and in life who have strong empathy, so it will be up to us ourselves, to put our needs first and to consider that shifting out of harmful routines, thinking patterns and habits, which can be changed some if we prioritize that.

I only mentioned what is working or had worked for me. And this required brainstorming to figure out who I was, what I desperately wanted in life, and what was reasonable actions I could do to attain that, and then I researched things I did not know, and acted on doing all those things, and fine tuned things and rewarded myself with healthy things when others did not believe in me or attempted to roadblock me or set me back.

Sometimes we will feel better through support, and it can energize or motivate us further, but in most cases those who want continual support really do not have the belief things can get better in other ways. I just think many of those persons are misguided thinking their brains are not capable of changing ourselves or our lives--in some meaningful ways. We need not let our past, other people and distressing situations control us. There may not be a magic pill that solves many things immediately, but I have reached out to several others here privately, to find something individualized--for them--to go in a step by step manner, and the majority I never heard back from them, as it seemed not a priority or ability to move forward.

Anyway, I and others here have selflessly given so much of themselves to support, inquire more, or to guide others in pain or need, when they can have their own issues to deal with too and responsibilities elsewhere, so the least those others can do is to every now and then to consider thanking them for their support or efforts, even if it was not the response that they were looking for. We cannot blame everything on depression or anxiety--or Autism or ADHD.

Those forum supporters and assisters can have building frustrations as well from not feeling heard or appreciated. So, yeah, whether any here want support or advice, I did both here. At least one may get something out of it. But, I only give such advice rarely in life, as I realize many think they need things their ways or will have that info given them go quickly out of their ears and see no positive in our efforts or with that information.

I would kind!y ask all here to not take for granted any replies seen from others, as we have all different perspectives and are trying to help in our own ways. We are not mind readers if you say only so much. Hopefully something sticks, from reading all the messages, as really, support and advice will usually go nowhere if you are in that endless loop of negative thinking and do things that sabotage your goals. That work will have to come from you. If you convince yourself your life is worse than for most, or that you are a victim to the past, your situation, and to others, then your negative actions will follow. I bet many here would love to have an SSDI income, and live the simple life, without needing others or many friends.
 
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Sometimes all you need to hear is that we do care and we hope to see you get to the bottom of what is troubling you, l am not going to dissect you or others, or deliver a 500 worded response, just here to see you cope with whatever you are dealing with.
 
Ok, to start, I am sorry Metalhead has it tough. You wasted lots of money on things trying to please others or to not be lonely. You have a crappy job, abusive family, and you could have been so further along in life and functional had they not been so mean, selfish and not caring, and had you not had a condition and had you chose better paths or been stronger to tell your family to get lost. Some things you could not control, but you suffered needlessly and learned lots there from all that misery too.

We cannot turn back the clock though, but move forward. Do you think I and others here enjoyed living with one or more abusive parents, dysfunctional family, having not ever felt like a typical person, been mostly silent or awkward feeling and been bullied so many years, having had no caring relationship, or not until much later in life? Do you think I enjoyed having no friends up to age forty other than my brother? Do you think I enjoy being born small in size, not having any treatment or substance to cope through those years, because of parents that hid their secrets and abuse. And do you think I enjoyed being unable to work outside my home most of my life? We all here have suffered. I am sorry for that, but many will make the best of the situation, not forever dwell on it, and they will use their wisdom and any little energy they have to propel them forward in life.

So I mostly agree with Atrapa Almas. Why give advice to any as it likely will lead to nowhere but excuses for many to fail or remain the status quo, or lead to some desire for more continual support. I mean, although there will be exceptions--those that will truly listen, engage, put forth an effort, prioritize their stated needs, and act on some advice or to be reasonable in attitude--there are many NTs and others who just may be only able or wanting to be heard and supported or who will not truly consider more, for whatever reason, even if they state or suggest a need to be assisted. That is their choice, and I respect that, but you will just live or not with the results.

People may need mainly support through their difficulties partly because:

---They feel they are not ready to act on any advice, certain advice, or to do other needed things to better the situation.
---They do not have the stress tolerance for that, or their anxieties, sensory issues or sensitivities may be too great.
---Their views could be too rigid or narrow minded.
---Their priorities may be on the wrong things.
---They may have a hard time initiating and completing tasks,
or they may have procrastination issues.
---They may not have clearly stated goals
---Or the goal may be too big so they do not have belief in succeeding so they never try or give up
---Specifica!ly, they may lack the energy or motivation (physical or mental) to accomplish that attainable goal. That may require first finding ways to eat heathier, sleep better, exercise more, get some needed medication or to be more positive and worry less)
---Disorganized thinking makes them do goal tasks out of order which causes more difficulties achieving things
---Distorted thinking
---They lack the knowledge or a plan how to get to accomplish their goal (often not true) as lots of specific advice is given besides support)
---They refuse to Act or they give up if things don't go to plan
---They refuse to alter their paths if roadblocks occur, or to create and follow through on other tasks needed to make that goal's success more likely.

Now, some here will say all that stuff sounds too complicated or those things I said won't work for them. True,if that is your set thinking.. However, some person's may have much of that knowledge or foundation already, but just could be overlooking one important thing, or need just one such thing there or some push there. And it is not complicated to find ways to think more positively and worry less, even if much abuse occured in their lives, through simple research.

Anyway, find something that will work for you even, as yes, we all are different and have different abilities, limitations, needs, and desires, with different genetics and life experiences. If this means picking something small for you to head down a better path, and sticking with it, and then when that is not enough, find something else to add to a more healthy way of thinking, feeling and living .

Mostly nobody cares if we succeed or fail, and not many are going to feel our pain, regardless if the others are abusive or not, unless like a few to several here and in life who have strong empathy, so it will be up to us ourselves, to put our needs first and to consider that shifting out of harmful routines, thinking patterns and habits, which can be changed some if we prioritize that.

I only mentioned what is working or had worked for me. And this required brainstorming to figure out who I was, what I desperately wanted in life, and what was reasonable actions I could do to attain that, and then I researched things I did not know, and acted on doing all those things, and fine tuned things and rewarded myself with healthy things when others did not believe in me or attempted to roadblock me or set me back.

Sometimes we will feel better through support, and it can energize or motivate us further, but in most cases those who want continual support really do not have the belief things can get better in other ways. I just think many of those persons are misguided thinking their brains are not capable of changing ourselves or our lives--in some meaningful ways. We need not let our past, other people and distressing situations control us. There may not be a magic pill that solves many things immediately, but I have reached out to several others here privately, to find something individualized--for them--to go in a step by step manner, and the majority I never heard back from them, as it seemed not a priority or ability to move forward.

Anyway, I and others here have selflessly given so much of themselves to support, inquire more, or to guide others in pain or need, when they can have their own issues to deal with too and responsibilities elsewhere, so the least those others can do is to every now and then to consider thanking them for their support or efforts, even if it was not the response that they were looking for. We cannot blame everything on depression or anxiety--or Autism or ADHD.

Those forum supporters and assisters can have building frustrations as well from not feeling heard or appreciated. So, yeah, whether any here want support or advice, I did both here. At least one may get something out of it. But, I only give such advice rarely in life, as I realize many think they need things their ways or will have that info given them go quickly out of their ears and see no positive in our efforts or with that information.

I would kind!y ask all here to not take for granted any replies seen from others, as we have all different perspectives and are trying to help in our own ways. We are not mind readers if you say only so much. Hopefully something sticks, from reading all the messages, as really, support and advice will usually go nowhere if you are in that endless loop of negative thinking and do things that sabotage your goals. That work will have to come from you. If you convince yourself your life is worse than for most, or that you are a victim to the past, your situation, and to others, then your negative actions will follow. I bet many here would love to have an SSDI income, and live the simple life, without needing others or many friends.
I’m in the same boat as @Metalhead. Only yesterday realized I’m in a spiraling depression. I have no support in my life other than this site.

Along the same lines as what I’ve been reading…. I have some advice for NDs in general. Quit being so weird and just relax and enjoy people. Stop thinking of yourself all the time and just get into the swing of things. You’ll find a big happy world out there if you just stop with the incessant contrariness.

I wonder if I should stop giving advice until you start following that which I’ve already given you.

Ouch! Every time I do tongue in cheek, I bite my tongue.
 
I as a independent thinker here, would like to point out that people go to therapy for years. We can't demand that somebody take "our" advice as if we are doing them a favor. When they are ready, they will get there. But you dont tell people, you aren't better because? It's not that simple.
 
You made a ton of progress over the last month or two; sometimes running out of energy & falling back into depression after a bit of progress actually feels worse (mostly because you know you can feel better.)
 
Sometimes all you need to hear is that we do care and we hope to see you get to the bottom of what is troubling you, l am not going to dissect you or others, or deliver a 500 worded response, just here to see you cope with whatever you are dealing with.

Sometimes the supporters and assisters should be allowed to show care and assist in our own ways, without being told how to express too. There is not just one way to show care. At least we had enough care to respond,when many of us here can be busy or have our own needs unfulfilled.

And there is not anything wrong with dissecting from time to time, and being oneself there, as long as the intent was good, as many with Autism do have that strength. To act as if quick supporters care more than others is not right. We all may care the same but show it in different ways.
 
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The more you push somebody to get better, the more they can feel unaccepted and rejected. Please, l ask the next comments to be more sensitive. And for me, l never criticize or have said this. But this member has gone thru some truly shocking things that many of us wouldn't have made it this far. I am leaving this conversation, because l feel that we have gotten off track.
 
Sometimes the supporters and assisters should be allowed to show care and assist in our own ways, without being told how to express too. There is not just one way to show care. At least we had enough care to respond,when many of us here can be busy or have our own needs unfulfilled.

And there is not anything wrong with dissecting from time to time, and being oneself there, as long as the intent was good, as many with Autism do have that strength. To act as if quick supporters care more than others is not right. We all may care the same but show it in different ways.
I agree, @1ForAll. I'm the same way. Everybody speaking is how everybody learns.

On a related but separate note... Maybe it's just my own hangups, but I'm very sensitive to an effect that is kind of built-in to a forum like this. That is, while no one intends it, there can be a pile-on effect for the guy in focus. I don't know about others, but for me that seems counterproductive. I made my point badly, because a friend had to restate it for me, but I think autistic people might be extra sensitive to that kind of pressure. It's not anyone's individual contribution, it's the group effect I was stupidly commenting on. I often get in trouble for caring and assisting in my own way.
 
I agree, @1ForAll. I'm the same way. Everybody speaking is how everybody learns.

On a related but separate note... Maybe it's just my own hangups, but I'm very sensitive to an effect that is kind of built-in to a forum like this. That is, while no one intends it, there can be a pile-on effect for the guy in focus. I don't know about others, but for me that seems counterproductive. I made my point badly, because a friend had to restate it for me, but I think autistic people might be extra sensitive to that kind of pressure. It's not anyone's individual contribution, it's the group effect I was stupidly commenting on. I often get in trouble for caring and assisting in my own way.

It's a good point.

I think it's sorta just inherent to forums as a whole. Someone says something with a beginning post that is clearly showing distress and such. Others notice it and, each one wanting to help, posts. While not really thinking of the fact that 20 others are also going to post or have already done so (as that usually wont occur to most people when making a post on a forum). So you end up with just... a whole lot of posts in one quick incoming blob. With a topic like this, those posts are inevitably going to get a bit intense. And the more worried people are, the more intense that's likely to get as their own emotional state spills over. I know it happens to me... my emotions are generally extremely volatile and will usually show to some degree in absolutely everything I say or do. And the more worried/concerned I am, the more agitated I get.

Hard to avoid that sudden post blob though, in any case.
 
I've seen this sooooooooooooo many times at therapists office, even on bi-polar forum.
You lack answers
Seen el plenty patients can't find way, therapist exasperated.

Before I hurt my back I used to exercise horses out of season, brought them back in a cold sweat. Horses enjoyed it.
I felt this way, wrestless, I was hyper from z project, started swinging hi and Lo
Felt mentally exhausted in the end, but job was never finished until a solution was found.
Afterwards get paid no royalties or kickbacks from others using my mental strain and weeks agony making the solution work. Got a kick in the teeth, replaced.
Wished I was a rich sports star, had it all. Watched his spoilt girlfriend enjoying her life afterwards, never had to work for a thing in her life, nice life.
I suppose no cure for feeling dis way all the time
 
I agree, @1ForAll. I'm the same way. Everybody speaking is how everybody learns.

On a related but separate note... Maybe it's just my own hangups, but I'm very sensitive to an effect that is kind of built-in to a forum like this. That is, while no one intends it, there can be a pile-on effect for the guy in focus. I don't know about others, but for me that seems counterproductive. I made my point badly, because a friend had to restate it for me, but I think autistic people might be extra sensitive to that kind of pressure. It's not anyone's individual contribution, it's the group effect I was stupidly commenting on. I often get in trouble for caring and assisting in my own way.

I know I am not the piling on and following others type. I always reply as I see fit at that time, regardless if it is me supporting one against the masses, or me going at it alone with some different perspective or way of expressing. I am willing to take on any extra stress there now by stating things in my way. If others disagree, tell me why and I may partly agree, totally agree, or not agree at all, based on what they said. I would hope most do not agree with others here just to be liked. I do not fear critiques or rejection anymore. I do enjoy posts that disagree with the group as much as agree. They cause me to think. Thanks for often giving another side :) I enjoy your posts.
 
This isn't reference to bi-polar for women but old term was manic depressive. That term should be referred to in that way for clarity.
Many patients end up depressed and go on and on and it's so relateable.
 
All of you are correct, of course.

This negative loop is something that is difficult to stop. But giving in to it is not the answer.
 
You love these movies and games right? You wanted or hoped to share them with people and hoped it would all be a source of joy and fun? Maybe now in you current state of mind if feels like all these wonderful things are like shadows of what could have been?

I've had this happen before. I've always been fond of vintage computers and games, though at one point they weren't so vintage. My best friend and I used to think the Atari ST was the best computer ever and always would be. We used to compose music on it and play games. But eventually he moved on to new things. I missed our little fandom and enthusiasm for it. I couldn't let it die.

I collected loads of vintage systems and games. Things that now would be worth hundreds and in some cases, thousands.

But depression would often hit me, and these things that I loved so much all felt like a waste of time. I wanted "eternal sleep" and I no longer felt the joy or ability to engage with my hobby anymore. My friend didn't come over to play video games anymore.

In the midst of this depression, I took all of my collection and over 2-3 weeks dumped it all in the wheelie bin and off it went in the back of a garbage truck. All of it, just gone. I didn't think I'd be needing it anymore.

I didn't know at the time, but I had undiagnosed Bipolar disorder, about 4 months later my mood just switched and I was feeling great, at times in the mood to just kick back and play some classics, but they were all gone.

I still regret throwing those things away.

What I'm trying to say here is that, right now, you might feel disconnected from these things and you wonder what good it is to have them. But, don't give up! The day will come when you can enjoy these things again in the way you had planned. You are trying to make changes in your life and this is a step in the road to getting to where you want to be.

When you look at these things, remind yourself that your current state of mind is temporary and you will get to a place where you can enjoy your movies and video games again. It may take time, but I'm pretty certain it will happen.

Don't do what I did!
 

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