IQ Tests are Obviously Biased!

[Crossbreed]

Without the tenacious emphasis on IQ in society, the acceptance of neurodiversity as a concept may suffer less obstacles.

A vast number of "gifties" are neuro-diverse, even if they are not autistic, due to "asynchronous development."

 

[sidd851]

That is part of the WISC tests. I liked the block test. I did one six years ago (age 50) and remembered liking it at 6yo. (I went to some secluded test site, too, but I don't recall the details.)

That's fascinating!
I also remember liking the block test!
At least 3 or 4 of the tests the grad student gave me were the block test(s), the ring test, maybe 2 or three more with physical objects. Seems like there was some flashcard something or other, too
(gimme a break, I was three).

 

[sidd851]

A vast number of "gifties" are neuro-diverse, even if they are not autistic, due to "asynchronous development."

As near as I have been able to tell, I believe myself to be what they call "profoundly" gifted.
So yeah.
I get the double-whammy.

 

[Crossbreed]

"exceptionally" gifted.
So yeah.
I get the double-whammy.

Gifted + Autistic = Twice Exceptional [or 2E]. I work with a 2E specialist in another state and she has concluded that autistic IQ scores (gifted or not) are largely underestimated due to being timed.

 

[sidd851]

Gifted + Autistic = Twice Exceptional [or 2E]. I work with a 2E specialist in another state and she has concluded that autistic IQ scores (gifted or not) are largely underestimated due to being timed.

Holy crap, really?!?
I've seen you write 2E,
I had no idea that's what it meant!
(Flip-blip--- down the research rabbit-hole we go!)

So there's probably far more to this
than I'm even now aware of.

Any "start here" recommendations?

 

[Progster]

The specific test I am referring to, though there may be others similar, is a "substitution/translation" test.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same test, so don't know what you are referring to here.

"crystal" intelligence, while actively translating you are using "fluid" intelligence, at least when you begin to be able to anticipate words.

Ah yes, crystallized vs. fluid intelligence. I suppose the timing of the tasks is testing your fluid intelligence. Yes, I think that my crystallized intelligence is higher than my fluid intelligence, which is why I do quite well in research or an academic setting where I can rely more on my acquired knowledge and long term memory, but not so well on timed IQ tests.
Fluid and crystallized intelligence - Wikipedia

 

[Crossbreed]

Any "start here" recommendations?

Not really sure. I was identified gifted in my childhood, and autistic at 45. Having studied both (as an amateur), there are plenty of shared traits/overlap between them.

I think it stems from similarities between asynchronous development & PDD. (My specialist tells me that there are some gifties who are not asynchronous.)

 

[sidd851]

Not really sure. I was identified gifted in my childhood, and autistic at 45. Having studied both (as an amateur), there are plenty of shared traits/overlap between them.

I think it stems from similarities between asynchronous development & PDD. (My specialist tells me that there are some gifties who are not asynchronous.)

This is definitely my next study blackhole.

I also was identified gifted somewhere in
1-2 grade.
I discovered that I was on the spectrum (whoah.. I've gotta re-examine this) at 48, last June.
I am currently seeking dx.
My GP, and my "therapist", are agreed that I am likely HFA1.

 

[Autistamatic]

"Gifted" - I personally loathe that word. It brought me nothing but trouble in life

 

[Crossbreed]

I also was identified gifted somewhere in
1-2 grade.
I discovered that I was on the spectrum (whoah.. I've gotta re-examine this) at 48, last June.

With 2E, the giftedness can mask the autism, while the autism masks the giftedness.

Here are some 2E Newsletter pages. I have been working with Marlo Payne Thurman.

 

[Crossbreed]

"Gifted" - I personally loathe that word. It brought me nothing but trouble in life

It is no more isolating than "autistic."

 

[sidd851]

"Gifted" - I personally loathe that word. It brought me nothing but trouble in life

I don't loathe the word itself, just the common reaction to it.(Snooow-flaaaake..)
This is pretty much the only place I use it, unless it's a clinical setting.

What sadistic PR man decided that this timid, socially challenged group of kids should be forever after called
"Gifted", and didn't see a problem with that?

 

[Autistamatic]

It is no more isolating than "autistic."

For me it started a life of misery within the school system. It changed me from a child into a commodity. I was happy learning about things I enjoyed in my own way and then I was yanked out of my comfort zone and into a life of "achievement" and competition. I just wanted them to naff off and let me get on with learning, but that was the end of school for me. They destroyed my interest in it the moment somebody described 8yr old me as "Oxbridge material" and started putting the pressure on.

 

[sidd851]

With 2E, the giftedness can mask the autism, while the autism masks the giftedness.

Here are some 2E Newsletter pages. I have been working with Marlo Payne Thurman.

Outstanding.

This.
This is why my mask is so sophisticated, and complex, and utterly draining at times.

Won't my next meeting with my
"therapist" be fun.

 

[Crossbreed]

What sadistic PR man decided that this timid, socially challenged group of kids should be forever after called
"Gifted", and didn't see a problem with that?

Should they have gone with "hypermath...?"

 

[Pats]

Sherlock Holmes???? I can't remember names and never looked at authors. I guess if it's going to be this type of questions, you may as well be playing trivial pursuit - I'm terrible at those games.

 

[Nihil]

How someone deals with emotions or stress is more important than their intelligence quotient, in my opinion. Someone can be highly intelligent but that is not a guarantee they know how to cope with emotions in a healthy/harmless way. The intelligence quotient is not what makes life bearable.

 

[WildCat]

I don't know my exact IQ score, what it translates to or whether or not it's valid. I do know my credit score is good though, and there's a measure for that as well:

https://www.adviacu.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/CreditScoreChart-1-e1524683918384.png

 

[Judge]

Seems unfortunate that the IEP insists on applying IQ tests to their pupils. The few times I encountered optional circumstances to take such tests was much later than at the level of grammar school. Though in terms of neurological examination, the medical community continues to use them on a selective basis. The thing is though, they're a benchmark that in most cases one may never encounter in their lifetime.

SAT, ASVAB, MSAT, LSAT....now those tests can count. Whether one believes they too are biased or not.

But an IQ test? In most cases I think it just serves as a "vanity distinction" and little else.

 

[Autistamatic]

In the UK the 2 tier education system we used to have relied on an examination known as the "11 plus". If you passed with a high enough score you went to a Grammar school for the "clever" kids. If you didn't you went to a Secondary Modern school. The opportunities available were proportionate to your score in what was essentially a cobbled together IQ test of the sort under discussion that you took at age 10-11. It could completely alter the course of your life.