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Is the way we learn and use language different from the rest of society?

For me, language is the exchange of thoughts, to be as percise as possible, for the other person to get the bigger picture. For this to happen, language would have to be an art form; so to engage their interest, and to describe in detail your idea. I would like to think that most of the spectrum is the same, but I don’t know everyone so my opinion would most likely be inaccurate. I only know myself.
I love using old English, and a friend of mine is particularly fond of the phrase, come hither. It just all flows so well. My ideal would be to switch back and forth using accents like we use words with vowels that sound good together, but alas, that feat is beyond me now.
 
For me, language is the exchange of thoughts, to be as percise as possible, for the other person to get the bigger picture. For this to happen, language would have to be an art form; so to engage their interest, and to describe in detail your idea. I would like to think that most of the spectrum is the same, but I don’t know everyone so my opinion would most likely be inaccurate. I only know myself.
I love using old English, and a friend of mine is particularly fond of the phrase, come hither. It just all flows so well. My ideal would be to switch back and forth using accents like we use words with vowels that sound good together, but alas, that feat is beyond me now.

It can be quite interesting to look at different english phrases and idioms that are still popular in idfferent places round the world.

Tally ho - used in India.

Things like 'yield' in america, not used widely for hundreds of years in england.

I've started saying 'verily' which was out of the king james bible, so not used now.
 
USA fox hunting groups use it all the time. Albeit fox-hunts are a bit old fashioned, but it’s a big part of the equine culture.

In indian its used more in general speech. A remnant from the british empire. No fox hunting out there, i dont think.
 
For some reason the idea that language is about connection suddenly made a lot of sense when I read it just now, like a light bulb came on. You mean it's not just about information exchange?

Hm, the more I think about this, the more I believe this is a significant distinction for me as well. Talking or even writing requires a significant drain on cognitive resources, and so it's something I do only when there is a good reason for it. And for the most part, these reasons revolve around information exchange. "Just chatting" doesn't really happen for me. There must be a flow of ideas in one direction or the other, or both. Otherwise, it feels like too much work, especially since I don't know what to say or ask when there isn't a specific topic that needs to be discussed.

I also struggle with having to verbalize ideas or facts that seem obvious to me. It's not that I think other people should read my mind. It's more that I think the things I know or notice should be obvious to everyone, based on the same information that's available to them as what is available to me. I struggle to realize that they don't always perceive information the same way I do, and don't necessarily make the same connections between ideas that I do.

The whole idea of "just chatting" for the sake of "connection" boggles my mind. What do you talk about in those times? How do you decide on what should be discussed, or how deeply? My internal algorithms aren't sophisticated enough to navigate those waters.
 
Recall learning words as a child, and how I thought each word, the more complex it was, the more magical/special. Learning long words, more than shorter concise ones, caused me a world of pain from my peers and family. Yet I carried on, carting around my gigantic dictionary, as it was and still is an adventure to learn new words. I know many but don't use them out of fear I suppose, of being called smarty-pants and four eyes as I was called as a child, especially with the online climate as it is, where concise even abbreviated words are the norm.

Aspies and auties learn language differently than others. Hence the epithets. Yet recently, this explanation has unearthed some long held misunderstandings of smarty-pants and little professors:

Verbal Communication:

Unlike people with “classic” autism, people with Asperger syndrome typically do not appear to have any significant delays in the development of language. Some of us even speak early, but the quality of our speech is different. Language is used in a very atypical way.

Like our social skills, it’s learned by rote. The social quotient is lacking – we don’t fully understand (until taught), the social aspects of language.To us, it begins as a simple means of information exchange, not as a means of connecting with people (for example, the concept and execution of “small talk” can be difficult for someone with Asperger’s).

We may not master the art of using inflection to imbue language with meaning, and so develop a very monotonous or odd manner of speech. We also frequently miss the social cues that tell us what language to use when, and how often – so we may talk too much, too little, use overly formal, or informal language, or use inappropriate language for a specific situation (for example, swearing in front of a boss, or speaking overly familiarly to an authority figure).

Ironically, some children can appear very advanced, because we will pick up very sophisticated “adult” language – either from listening to adults, or from reading books. This can lead to further social ostracization from other kids, who’ll say “How come you talk like a grown up?”

On the other side, seemingly “simple” concepts as pronouns may throw a person with Asperger’s. A child learning to talk may refer to everyone using the same pronoun, or refer to themselves in third person. The concept that a single person can be referred to using several different pronouns, and those pronouns can be used for multiple people, can be a difficult one. In another example, as a child, a person I know observed his parents referring to each other using their first names, or endearments such as “honey” – and adopted the same manner of address. All attempts during his childhood to break him of the habit failed. He never used “mama” or “dada”, or later “mom” or “dad” to refer to his parents. Although he now understands how most people address to their parents, in his adulthood, he still refers to his parents by their first names. The habit is ingrained.

The rest of the article here: What Does It Mean To Have Asperger Syndrome?

Do you use or did you in the past use lots of big words, because you liked to? I've noticed many members on the site, have an extremely good grasp of language.
I used to speak and write in keeping with the way the books that I read - so it was quite formal, even "archaic", as one teacher put it. I struggle very much with some things you have mentioned above. Though journaling is a huge emotional release for me, I sometimes find it so much deeper and easier to identify complexes of emotions through visual art or music that captures it perfectly for me. A third thing that I am curious about....the brief time I spent learning sign language revealed to me that somehow signing felt much more natural and comfortable than verbal language. However, I had a LOT of trouble using facial expressions as required in ASL, anyway.
 
I used to speak and write in keeping with the way the books that I read - so it was quite formal, even "archaic", as one teacher put it. I struggle very much with some things you have mentioned above. Though journaling is a huge emotional release for me, I sometimes find it so much deeper and easier to identify complexes of emotions through visual art or music that captures it perfectly for me. A third thing that I am curious about....the brief time I spent learning sign language revealed to me that somehow signing felt much more natural and comfortable than verbal language. However, I had a LOT of trouble using facial expressions as required in ASL, anyway.

Almost everyone in my ASL class earlier this year struggled with remembering to do the facial expressions. It’s a common difficulty.
 
Almost everyone in my ASL class earlier this year struggled with remembering to do the facial expressions. It’s a common difficulty.
That's interesting. For me, though, it wasn't that I struggled with remembering to do them - it was just difficulty in forcing my face to do them. I'm not good at making facial expressions according to how others might require it or to convey a certain emotion/intention.....which leads to misunderstandings even when conversing verbally with people. Apparently my face used to look so frozen/stern that everyone thought I was mad - they still do when I am at rest. But when I try to 'activate" my face, I don't do it very successfully, often conveying something other than what I am feeling? One of my pet peeves is when people try to read me and make assumptions based solely on my facial expressions - they are never right :eek: And yet they refuse to be corrected, insisting the "proof" was in my facial expression. Anyways, that's enough of that tangent!
 
it wasn't that I struggled with remembering to do them - it was just difficulty in forcing my face to do them. I'm not good at making facial expressions according to how others might require it or to convey a certain emotion/intention.....which leads to misunderstandings even when conversing verbally with people.

So do I, recall quite often looking in a mirror to see what my facial expressions were. Did I feel sad, perplexed, annoyed? I couldn't for a very long time identify what the feelings were without looking at my face, to see what the facial reactions were. I still sometimes do that.

Also often as a child, I used complex words, and repeated sentences from books, that fit into the conversation. Sometimes I waited for years for an opportunity to use a particular word.

Inflection is also an issue, I couldn't for example change it and never understood how people could make their voices emphasize a word, or a pause, or the drawing out of a vowel. I can mimic people's accents, but I can't re-pace my speech or speak english or french in any other manner than the way I learned it in the first place. People who are impressionist's are fascinating to me.
 
This I can do. If I've listened to someone's accent, inflection, enunciation and rythm for long enough I can imitate it.
Not at their pitch though, it's my own voice with their accent.

Really like the Geordie (North East England) accent. The intonation generally rises a lot at the end of words. Almost like a question, but not.
 
The unstoppable march of the upward inflection?

The unstoppable march of the upward inflexion.

Like wot aussies do. Make everything sound like 'a question?'
Like wots 'going on?'

My take was the rise of the upward inflexion is something to do with social world.
Ie within a small community, most know meanings and are sure of themselves.
Within communities like a university, busy city, any melting pot, the raised inflexion is a way of creating a surety of meaning so that offence is not taken - for both parties. You know that social smoothness we all know and love ... :)

Ie creating a new social bond more easily in a peripatetic world.


(Never sure if there are any other things to take other than offence)

Peripatetic is ten points for today only.
Peregrinations 5 points.
 
I'm reading a book, Donna Williams' The Jumbled Jigsaw, which poses the theory that Autism is caused by a lack of integration between the right and left hemispheres of our brain. She says that pattern recognition, intuition and sensing are processed by the right hemisphere, and language, logic and reasoning in the left, and the difficulties we have are due to an inability of the two hemispheres to communicate to process this information, so we are either using our right hemisphere or our left, but not both together. Tasks such as processing language and socialising require good integration of both hemispheres, so this is why we struggle. This theory makes sense to me, as I seem to fluctuate between being all about sensing, having emotions and feelings that I can't make sense of, to being all logic and not spotting the big picture, I struggle to switch tasks - I can't process language and meaning or implied meaning at the same time, and that's what makes socialising do hard, I'm in my left hemishpere while speaking and not connecting with my right hemisphere for intuition and interpretation.
 

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