Is there a Delta Variant Covid test?

[Raggamuffin]

Before I stopped reading the news, I recall hearing a scientist on the radio saying that if you have a weaker immune system, then COVID can be in a person's system for longer - this gives it a greater chance to mutate.

A friend told me it's around 60% in UK hospitals at the moment who are unvaccinated.

3 people went down with it at work. I've spoken to one of them a couple of times in recent days and she sounds like she's at deaths door.

I stopped my ADHD med 2 days ago as I was getting nasty side effects, and the GP I saw last Friday said a common (1 in 50) side effect is increased risk of sinus and respiratory infections. Just what you want when we're in the midst of a pandemic.

Better concentration and less stimming isn't worth constant dizziness, sweating, or dry sinuses that made it hurt to breath. Plus the symptoms were getting worse and completely cancelled out the ability to focus better. Strangely enough, when it hurts to breath and you feel like you're going to pass out all day - it's kinda hard to focus on anything...

Ed

 

[Raggamuffin]

Problem is, there's been conflicting evidence all the time when it comes to COVID. It's just been a nonstop torrent of information, misinformation and media baiting from day one.

Some say Delta is less dangerous, others say it's deadly. Heck, that 60% I mentioned above, was misquoted the day before. Where they said 60% in hospital were vaccinated.

Honestly, I think it has really highlighted the pitfalls of the information technology world we live in. Initially I'd hoped COVID would get countries working together. But in truth there came a wave of Sinophobia, and then countries began closing borders and xenophobia was on the rise. Now it's the "us and them" mentality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It's a shame really - we have all this technology, and the most advanced brain in the primate world - and yet, I tend to look at the world around me on a daily basis and shake my head at the lack of common sense and regular displays of stupidity.

I know a few people who've developed bad health anxiety since the pandemic. One is even housebound at this point. And yet people continue to willingly read the news every day. Load up with your daily dose of murder, war, death and such like. Why do we dedicate so much time to reporting the depths of human behaviour.

Sorry, going off topic a little so I'll stop talking.

Ed

 

[Magna]

Problem is, there's been conflicting evidence all the time when it comes to COVID. It's just been a nonstop torrent of information, misinformation and media baiting from day one.

^ 100% this.

You're also correct that in general "news" is a purposeful steady feed of fear and that's done on purpose. How do we know this? It's an obvious fact that there is just as much "good news" as there is "bad news"; given the fact that so called "news" reporting is largely fear based, fear centric rather than a balance of the two; it's purposeful. It's obvious.

 

[Raggamuffin]

I think another issue is that there's a decent amount of people I've met who act like they can throw caution to the wind now that they're vaccinated. Incessantly going to pubs, parties, holidays and socialising to make up for list time etc.

Some act like they're superior because they're double jabbed. I remember Kristy was elated when she got her COVID passport in the post. I was just a little bewildered.

Yet me, the anti social recluse who spends 95% his free time at home gets scornful looks and ranted at by all these socialites because I don't want to get vaccinated. Getting branded an anti vaxxer or conspiracy nut etc. It's as simple as not wanting the vaccine.

It's been pretty tedious from the beginning with regards to this pandemic. Had we been dealing with something with an alarmingly mortality rate, I'd understand the media obsession and the lockdowns and isolationist politics. But not this, never this.

You could argue not being vaccinated is being "part of the problem". In truth, being alive is part of the problem - in this overpopulated world of unsustainable consumerism. In my mind deaths due to COVID aren't a negative. Again, you could argue I'd change my tune if someone close to me got it. Who's to say.

Ed

 

[LadyS]

Problem is, there's been conflicting evidence all the time when it comes to COVID. It's just been a nonstop torrent of information, misinformation and media baiting from day one.

Some say Delta is less dangerous, others say it's deadly. Heck, that 60% I mentioned above, was misquoted the day before. Where they said 60% in hospital were vaccinated.

Honestly, I think it has really highlighted the pitfalls of the information technology world we live in. Initially I'd hoped COVID would get countries working together. But in truth there came a wave of Sinophobia, and then countries began closing borders and xenophobia was on the rise. Now it's the "us and them" mentality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It's a shame really - we have all this technology, and the most advanced brain in the primate world - and yet, I tend to look at the world around me on a daily basis and shake my head at the lack of common sense and regular displays of stupidity.

I know a few people who've developed bad health anxiety since the pandemic. One is even housebound at this point. And yet people continue to willingly read the news every day. Load up with your daily dose of murder, war, death and such like. Why do we dedicate so much time to reporting the depths of human behaviour.

Sorry, going off topic a little so I'll stop talking.

Ed

One of the reasons I just go straight to the source instead of the news ...the people directly dealing with it on a daily basis. But at this point most people just want to believe what they want to believe, regardless. Up to Darwin now I suppose.

 

[Magna]

I think another issue is that there's a decent amount of people I've met who act like they can throw caution to the wind now that they're vaccinated. Incessantly going to pubs, parties, holidays and socialising to make up for list time etc.

Some act like they're superior because they're double jabbed. I remember Kristy was elated when she got her COVID passport in the post. I was just a little bewildered.

Yet me, the anti social recluse who spends 95% his free time at home gets scornful looks and ranted at by all these socialites because I don't want to get vaccinated. Getting branded an anti vaxxer or conspiracy nut etc. It's as simple as not wanting the vaccine.

It's been pretty tedious from the beginning with regards to this pandemic. Had we been dealing with something with an alarmingly mortality rate, I'd understand the media obsession and the lockdowns and isolationist politics. But not this, never this.

You could argue not being vaccinated is being "part of the problem". In truth, being alive is part of the problem - in this overpopulated world of unsustainable consumerism. In my mind deaths due to COVID aren't a negative. Again, you could argue I'd change my tune if someone close to me got it. Who's to say.

Ed

I don't share your view that Covid deaths are a not a negative.

However, an issue you touch on about global aggressive vaccination measures and pressure is a serious point of concern from a simple risk management perspective. Yes, risk management; diversification of risk. It's foolish and dangerous to avoid diversifying risk in life whenever possible.

The current ideal scenario being put forth is that every human on the planet should be vaccinated by the new and experimental mRNA vaccines as soon as possible. Young children are not yet part of the vaccination campaign, but the age of vaccinations are being pushed to younger and younger ages (presuming the goal is to be able to vaccinate all humans) Given the vaccines are unproven as to their safety over the long term, it is absolutely foolish and dangerous from a risk management perspective as a species to vaccinate every human on the planet prior to letting time yield concrete data on long term safety. That's simple logic.

You also make reference to another aspect, the overall mortality so far of Covid19. It's true that sometimes a situation is so dangerous that risk diversification isn't a safe option. Ebola would be a good example. If there was an Ebola vaccine that was only even marginally effective it would not be logical for anyone in an Ebola outbreak area to avoid a vaccination given the extremely high mortality rate of that disease.

 

[Mary Terry]

My state of Mississippi has NO ICU BEDS today. There are hundreds of patients lining the hospital halls, waiting for beds. Hope no one has a heart attack or car wreck or any other reason to go the ER today. There is no room for them.

I daresay that trolling anti-vaxers on social media would challenge Darwin's law at the US Supreme Court as an unconstitutional denial of their freedoms if they could. Stay safe and informed.

 

[Magna]

I just finished a walk with my dad. A good friend of his who he's been friends with for a long time just got Covid as did his wife. I don't know their ages but I would assume 60s-70s. My dad's friend is quarantining at home at this point. My dad's friend's wife (whom my dad has met) is in intensive care in the hospital, hospitalized as I write this with Covid complications. Both my dad's friend and my dad's friend's wife were fully vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine well prior to their current Covid infections.

Is there a separate Covid thread where reliable/reputable information can be posted on knowledge of Covid illnesses, hospitalizations or deaths including any cases of such where a person has been fully vaccinated?

I absolutely take the information reported to me by my dad today to be reputable because the illnesses are affecting a very good friend of his as well as the friend's wife and my dad knows both of them directly (rather than "I heard of someone who knows someone who heard that another person...").

 

[Au Naturel]

COVID viruses are destroyed in a few minutes by direct sunlight. Obviously that time will vary depending on temperature and the intensity of the light. In the sunlight and heat of a southern California summer noon it's essentially dead in 7 minutes. UVA, UVB, and UVC all contribute to this.

The hours before sunset could be useless in terms of killing the virus by UV but destruction due to heat and desiccation would still come into play.The virus does not like to dry out and anything that contributes to dehydration like heat, air circulation, or low humidity would do the trick. Apparently it doesn't live long on porous surfaces because the pores tend to pull the moisture away from it by capillary action.

Sunlight and COVID-19

 

[LadyS]

Spoke to my cousin again today. She said that there are no beds at all available at her hospital, right now they're trying to triage people in the hallways and the parking lot.
Almost all are Covid patients and most are unvaccinated. Said out of the 80 or so patients under her wing only about 6 or so are **vaccinated. But also that most of the vaccinated have underlying conditions and that they're all also recovering quicker than the others and 100% of them don't need to be intubated.

If I were free, I'd totally drive over there to check it out myself. Just wish it wasn't that far.

**Correction: sorry i just realized that I put unvaccinated when I meant vaccinated. So out of 80 patients, only 6 were vaccinated and the rest weren't.

 

[ucrenegade]

They will never vaccinate everyone because not everyone is a blind sheep.

 

[Au Naturel]

They will never vaccinate everyone because not everyone is a blind sheep.

I have been fully vaccinated. I am not a blind sheep. And you are trolling.

 

[DogzSpirit]

My sister has family members and their guests take a free PCR test, prior to coming to visit.

CVS is offering that in the US. CVS gives you the test, you take it out to the car and perform it yourself, then hand that back to them. She says it takes two days to get results back.

We are vaccinated, as is everyone in our family. I wouldn't call your choice being a blind sheep. Please respect our intelligence and right in vaccinating. All of us did it to protect self and community.

 

[Magna]

My sister has family members and their guests take a free PCR test, prior to coming to visit.

CVS is offering that in the US. CVS gives you the test, you take it out to the car and perform it yourself, then hand that back to them. She says it takes two days to get results back.

We are vaccinated, as is everyone in our family. I wouldn't call your choice being a blind sheep. Please respect our intelligence and right in vaccinating. All of us did it to protect self and community.

Is it a saliva test or the one where they nearly poke your brain with a swab into the sinuses?

 

[Au Naturel]

There is nothing "experimental" about mRNA vaccines. We have been testing them on animals for a decade now and have a very good handle on their effects. The commonly administered ones in the US have passed all three phases of clinical trials. The trials have partly been run in parallel instead of in serial for faster results but the trials were all run properly. The many millions of dead - and yet to die - worldwide lent it some urgency.

We have had 35 million cases of covid, 2,436,010 admitted to the hospital for COVID, and 614,000 dead as of 8-3. The risks from any of the available western vaccines are insignificant in comparison. Can't speak for Russian or Chinese versions.

There have been 169,000,000 people fully vaccinated. To my knowledge, exactly one death has been proven to have resulted from it. 97% of people entering hospitals right now are unvaccinated.

Anaphylaxis can happen after any vaccination. Two to five cases per million. COVID is no different in this. Easily treated.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome is about 7 cases per million. If you're a woman over 50, don't get the J&J vaccine if you have any other option. One case resulted in a fatality. Thrombocytopenia can happen after any vaccination and a fair number of diseases.

Guillain-Barré syndrome in vaccinated people. About 1 in a million, mostly in men over 50. GBS also occurs naturally as a result of bacterial and viral infections. Once again, don't get the J&J vaccine if you have another option.

Myocarditis or pericarditis has been reported in about 1250 young males. Nobody has died from it post-vaccination. After a few days of rest and anti-inflammatories and they can return to normal life. It isn't the same thing as the myocarditis that older people are at risk for. It could also be gotten from a disease or hereditary condition.

This is all stuff that cannot be discovered during clinical trials. The frequency is too small.

Much has been made of the notion that "6,500 people died after the vaccine was administered." That is a case of cherry-picking statistics without providing background to propagate a lie. It implies that the vaccine caused the deaths. The FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination, even if it wasn't clearly related to the vaccine.

In reality, even without COVD over 2.6 million people die every year. If you pick a given 2 week period, 100,000 would have died. Every day over 7,000 people die. How long was the reporting period after the vaccination? In isolation, the number is meaningless.

614,000+ have died from covid, 99% in unvaccinated people. Not a debatable fact. 34 million cases with 2.46 million hospital admissions. (All just in the US!) ICUs completely full and all respirators fully occupied. Hospital workers stretched to the breaking point. And even with the Delta variant, the vaccines are good enough to prevent serious illness. Unless you plan to live in a sterile environment for the foreseeable future, getting vaccinated is the safe thing to do.

 

[ucrenegade]

I have been fully vaccinated. I am not a blind sheep. And you are trolling.

Trolling what is that? I am speaking truth and what I meant by blind sheep just meant a follower most likely instead of critically thinking and researching yourself other than just Google which is agenda based anyway which is why anyone having a disenting opinion on covid is deleted or silenced. This is why they don't offer any other remedies except thier DNA changing shot which coincidentally is not a vaccine. They had to call it a vaccine to fool the masses though.

 

[ucrenegade]

My sister has family members and their guests take a free PCR test, prior to coming to visit.

CVS is offering that in the US. CVS gives you the test, you take it out to the car and perform it yourself, then hand that back to them. She says it takes two days to get results back.

We are vaccinated, as is everyone in our family. I wouldn't call your choice being a blind sheep. Please respect our intelligence and right in vaccinating. All of us did it to protect self and community.

I respect it people can do what they want but they should respect my opinion also that I believe people are being lied to and it saddens me that everyone is following like blind sheep instead of critically thinking and researching themselves for the most part.

 

[DogzSpirit]

And I respect to a point (That point being I won't start calling names on a forum) a person's right to place themselves in danger. However, when it comes to this science, politics and being selfish should not be a luxury that applies to a virus. The rights of the whole, come before the right of the one, when that one right exposes others to harm. If you look at the science and the death toll components (Example: approx 90% of the dead are unvaccinated) and the toll now taking place (doesn't matter that its only 500 roughly dead children-those lives did matter) as a result of this virus spreading.... Science wins out, as does our responsibility to others.

 

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The topic of this thread is whether or not there is a
test for the Delta Variant of Covid. Any further replies
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The topic is not political speculation on what rights
people have, regarding vaccinations. The topic is not an opportunity
for name calling or posting theories.

 

[ucrenegade]

Your right good science should win out but science with a agenda I smell a rat. Either way this variant is not the last they will have a bunch more...