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Loneliness & the need for friendship?

@Harpuia but you seem so unhappy about it. Why would you want to close yourself off from your feeling and being empathetic? Yes there is the chance in anything that you will get hurt. There is always that chance but you don't have to push so hard that you loose what little you have gained either. So you realize that the one person isn't a friend. Try again with someone else. I don't want you to die inside and that's the feeling I am getting from you that you don't even want to try anymore. You can be happy...it just may take longer than you thought it would.

I want to be friends with people. I've been burned so many times i probably can't count but every time I fail I get up dust my self off and try again. I get lonely yes, I get scared and anxious and wonder if I am really worth trying to make friends with people but then I realize that if I did that I would regret so much more in my life. I want companionship I just don't always know how to do that. My new friends have been teaching me a lot more about friendship than I have in many years and we still have our ups and downs.

Because defending what I have now beats losing it in an attempt to be someone I wasn't meant to be.

For example, at least I don't have to worry about financial issues. Ever. In 19 months I have saved enough for a new car and a down payment for a house if I wanted to but there isn't a car or house I want yet all because of my job. If I lose that job that money becomes survival before I find my next job... if there is a next chance knowing my luck.

Plus study after study has come out that less empathy = more success. So I'll focus on what I'm good at rather than focus on things that I am always going to struggle with because people have a tendency to 180 me at will.
 
Sometimes I wish I could bond, make friends, and understand the need to communicate. I do like being around certain people.But I don't "get" it.

People like me because I'm strange, and blunt, which they find funny. But when they need someone to cry on, logic isn't really what they want to hear.
 
You're an Aspie: it's different for you! On this forum, I feel a sense of kinship & safety. NTs find me waaaay too intense, serious, un-smiling & irreverent. I found I had to edit & manage myself too much to the point where I had to become a 'persona' almost. I had to always remind myself to wear a facial expression: preferably one NTs like. I had to remember to shut off my perpetual Aspie stare (That's like asking a tall guy to look short!!!). Then, too, I can't do casual conversations & chit-chat well.
 
But I guess I don't understand why you would loose it Harpuia? Empathy is not a bad thing. Why is it that everyone seems to think that empathy for others is a bad thing? Its not. Caring for other people is not a bad thing. Yes caring for people sometimes comes with a price and that sometimes means getting hurt. You are good at alot of things but that doesn't mean you have to shut out those things that you are struggling with. I struggle but I don't give up I fight harder. I just feel so badly that you are giving up and you've got support right here. It takes a lot to work through issues.

I have a lot of desires to be friends with people do I find it hard yes very hard, do I find it confusing yah a lot of the time I do. So I give up no. I am weird and eccentric and very aspieish but that doesn't make me any less of a person to want to hang out with and while sometimes i get down and think I'm not worth being friends with. I have to remember I do have if only a slight few friends. While its hard we work at our relationship. Its never easy but we keep at it.

Well good luck Harpuia.
 
But I guess I don't understand why you would loose it Harpuia? Empathy is not a bad thing. Why is it that everyone seems to think that empathy for others is a bad thing? Its not. Caring for other people is not a bad thing. Yes caring for people sometimes comes with a price and that sometimes means getting hurt. You are good at alot of things but that doesn't mean you have to shut out those things that you are struggling with. I struggle but I don't give up I fight harder. I just feel so badly that you are giving up and you've got support right here. It takes a lot to work through issues.

I have a lot of desires to be friends with people do I find it hard yes very hard, do I find it confusing yah a lot of the time I do. So I give up no. I am weird and eccentric and very aspieish but that doesn't make me any less of a person to want to hang out with and while sometimes i get down and think I'm not worth being friends with. I have to remember I do have if only a slight few friends. While its hard we work at our relationship. Its never easy but we keep at it.

Well good luck Harpuia.

I don't think empathy is necessarily a bad thing - it's just something that can "cripple" us. I can feel empathy, and that empathy can cause me to feel pain, so often times I believe people view empathy in a negative light. Empathy is, however, profoundly important in many circumstances.
 
Same problem here. I can get close to female friends and then suddenly there is a crisis. I think it's a realisation on my own part I can't really be "normal" and any attempt to be normal is doomed to fail. So, I go into a cold mode that possibly friends can't understand and this may last for a while.
Why does it happen? I know Aspergers is a big part of it and it goes way way back to schooldays. I believe what happens with aspergers is you grow up and develop apart from the mainstream so you then develop as an adult as more independent and, very definitely, less susceptible to social programming and behaviour patterns.
Sometimes you watcn "normal people" doing the things normal people find naturally. Normal people quite easily form friendships because they simply relate to one another more and all the interactions, norms and cues are mutually connected. The aspie doesn't quite fit in. His (or her) cues and timing and interaction is all off-beat and other people may feel either awkward, off-guard or even threatened.
Before I figured out I was aspie I had a Spanish girlfriend, very successful, smart and probably in love with me at the time. Had I known back then I had aspergers, I think we may have found a way to work through it but, as it was, she couldn't understand some of my behaviour. Worse still, her friends figured I was just odd and that didn't help. Funny thing was though, I think the reason we were beginning to hit it off was she herself wasn't quite normal, but very neurotic. Obsessed by cleanliness and strict routines.
In fact, I would go so far to say that all of my girlfriends to date were people who were not specifically neurotypical but not aspies either.
Probably in the future I will just be more open about the situation so at least friends have some idea there is a problem. For me it's a mix of isolation and loneliness mingled with more independence of thought and certain advantages normal people don't have.

I had tried for about 12 years to socialize with groups and I had been able to get into groups, the problem was staying with them (or even a single friend) for any longer than several months or so without a serious crisis starting. The cycle seems bound to happen: The person likes me. We become friends. We talk about stuff. And then the crisis is either they start wanting something from me like money or time that I can't afford, or they pull the rug out from under me and tell me they want nothing to do with me for just about no reason. It makes no sense, and I'm done.

I've decided I'm going back to gaming. I realize now why I should've never tried to make friends in the first place, even if I am a slight extrovert. I do not party. I do not drink. I have terrible taste in music. My interests are too different to most people. There's four things right off the bat that make me undesirable to anyone in a friendship or relationship. And at times, trying only leads to, and I won't repeat what I said in another thread why, having a danger of losing your job. So yeah, gaming it is. At least when you play by the rules there, you succeed, unlike in the social world, when you play by the rules, you set yourself up for failure. Games are logical. People are not.

Now the only thing I wish is that it was a Saturday night and not a Sunday...
 
I don't have problems with empathy but I think I know what the empathy issue means. My best friend who was diagnosed with aspergers was terrible for empathy. I'd tell him something that was really a problem at the time and he didn't appear to care, apart from giving me a robotic solution to the problem. I suppose I sometimes do that a little with my own friends but the truth is I do care about how they feel and will make an effort to try and ask how their situation is going.
I'm far far more sensitive to animals than most people. It's said I treat animals as if they were human and this is correct as I came to understand animals are not as stupid as people believe. I read animals quite well and they usually sense the warmth and empathy that for me is natural. For example, someone will refer to a dog as "it" and I correct them and say it's "he" or "she". I would never use " it" but would quite naturally allow a dog to jump up and receive a hug.


But I guess I don't understand why you would loose it Harpuia? Empathy is not a bad thing. Why is it that everyone seems to think that empathy for others is a bad thing? Its not. Caring for other people is not a bad thing. Yes caring for people sometimes comes with a price and that sometimes means getting hurt. You are good at alot of things but that doesn't mean you have to shut out those things that you are struggling with. I struggle but I don't give up I fight harder. I just feel so badly that you are giving up and you've got support right here. It takes a lot to work through issues.

I have a lot of desires to be friends with people do I find it hard yes very hard, do I find it confusing yah a lot of the time I do. So I give up no. I am weird and eccentric and very aspieish but that doesn't make me any less of a person to want to hang out with and while sometimes i get down and think I'm not worth being friends with. I have to remember I do have if only a slight few friends. While its hard we work at our relationship. Its never easy but we keep at it.

Well good luck Harpuia.
 
Oh my, I read through all of the reply's thus far.. Took awhile, and I wanted to post my reply after pretty much every post, but I decided to read them all because this is an interesting topic.

Firstly. I find it very interesting that many have problems recognizing faces or just putting names to the face.
I have some difficulty putting names to faces, but only if I had limited contact with that person and/or have not seen them in quite some time.
The brain is supposedly 'wired' differently for individuals under the spectrum correct? and there are specific areas in the brain that seem to play a part in specific functions. Typically when someone sees someone familiar to them, the visual information is routed from the
primary visual cortex -> facial recognition area -> Amygdala(which plays a role in emotions we experience). And typically when someone sees someone famous, instead of the information being sent to the Amygdala, it is routed to the frontal lobe.


So my question is, does anyone have trouble with recognizing familiar people but not famous people? or visa versa?
I do not believe I have above average difficulty with either.

I have been told I appear to not care, and appear 'out of it'. I think this may be one of the most socially-isolating traits. I think I feel bad just the same as a NT when something bad happens to someone, I just may not express how I feel as obnoxiously. This trait for me really seems to stem from my feeling of anxiety whenever I am around other people.
When I'm in this state of anxiety I am trapped in a world of possibilities, I feel as if I am trying to determine what will happen next but my brain fries itself trying to do so, maybe I think people are too unpredictable. Maybe there's a positive feedback loop we have that interacts with parts of the brain that make you aware of a persons presence. So when I am around people the loop is continually getting stronger evoking a stronger feeling of anxiety and discomfort the longer I am around them.

I imagine being in this 'world of our own'(which I am assuming is mostly 'generated' by the frontal lobes) all the time leads to problems from other parts of the cerebral cortex due to lack of conscious attention to them (resulting in sensory problems which many Aspie's are known to have). Less conscious attention to particular senses as a toddler could mean less connections to nerves in parts of the brain responsible for those senses. Sorry everyone, I plan to write like two sentences then I keep rambling on..
 
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@Deno

I've also been told that it seems like "I don't care". Specially at jobs. Oddly enough, the more I like the job, the more it looks like I don't wanna be there (I've been told).
 
Empathy is a problem for aspies but it is a problem which manifests itself very differently among us. Some feel so much empathy they are overloaded; others have shut down their empathy. There is a theory of autism called the intense world theory which can explain both of these reactions.

abstract:
Frontiers | | Frontiers in Neuroscience

full article
Frontiers | The Intense World Theory

a less scientific and more lay person friendly version:
A Radical New Autism Theory | The Daily Beast & Accompanying Critique from Journey’s with Autism ? A Collection of Selves
 
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I found out one very positive and definite aspie trait is social justice empathy. That surprised me as it said aspies very often write letters to authorities concerning social justice issues and that is exactly what I do and have always done.
I'm very intolerant of injustices and, in fact, often come across my own comments on the net via search engines and am surprised that probably thousands of people may well be reading my controversial articles.
I guess it may have to do with myself knowing how it feels to be an underdog and then identifying with anyone who is oppressed, be they N.T. people or aspies.
Sometimes social injustices can get me really worked up and angry but I never knew it was an aspect of aspergers, shared by many other aspies.

Empathy is a problem for aspies but it is a problem which manifests itself very differently among us. Some feel so much empathy they are overloaded; others have shut down their empathy. There is a theory of autism called the intense world theory which can explain both of these reactions.

abstract:
Frontiers | | Frontiers in Neuroscience

full article
Frontiers | The Intense World Theory

a less scientific and more lay person friendly version:
A Radical New Autism Theory | The Daily Beast & Accompanying Critique from Journey’s with Autism ? A Collection of Selves
 
@Loomis Thanks for this post-there is much to read and process but I am particularly drawn to the Intense World Theory-I have always maintained that I pick up on all the energy in a room and it completely overwhelms me to the point that everybody,s emotions are screaming at me all at once-people have often told me I am too intense -I do not believe that it is merely that I pick up on the intensity of others. I also experience this when I have to face a whole room or auditorium-if I can see everybody eyes -it's as though they are all sending me information at the same time-this is why I could never be on stage.
 
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I to get sensory overload but it is more due to the physical bombardment: too many different perfumes & odours, different voices, some talking, some laughing...then the abrupt sounds like coughing, sneezing, throat clearing, babies crying...then there's chairs scraping, things clanking bits of music here & there. That's not mentioning all the sights & jarring patterns & colours, eyes staring... That's where the skill of zoning out but being on autopilot is great!
 
the absolute worst when i was younger was the perfume department in shop with my local town, it was the size of a small supermarket and the smell was so overwhelming... i had to take a deep breath and hurry to get through it and out the other side...
 
And they booby trap perfume dep'ts with people waiting to ambush you & SPRAY you with smelly stuff! gotta be quick or they GET you!!!
 
@Deno

I've also been told that it seems like "I don't care". Specially at jobs. Oddly enough, the more I like the job, the more it looks like I don't wanna be there (I've been told).
So on that logic if you find the best job on the planet-you probably won't turn up!!

 
So on that logic if you find the best job on the planet-you probably won't turn up!!


I'm sure he would turn up, after all to him it is the best job ever right? But to his co-workers he may seem like that is the last place on the planet he wants to be at that time. There's clearly a major issue with the communication between NT and AS in regards to emotions.
 
My emotions exist, but they just go somewhere: they're ephemeral & they vanish rapidly. This isn't something I deliberately do. It used to drive my kids nuts when they were teens & they couldn't get me to flip out like a normal parent because I simply didn't get the hardware for that nor the software to understand when to do it, why & for how long. Too contrived & complicated so, the blank Aspie stare it was!
 

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