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Lost in the ‘WE’ idea

SimonSays

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Whenever I’ve been in love with someone, I always feel like I will be with them forever. But that's not what happens. And I think I understand why. What attracted me was being enhanced by my brain releasing certain chemicals, and over time this enhancement fades, leaving what was already there but not really noticed, now more obvious.

What was fresh becomes familiar, and they do say familiarity breeds contempt. Little things start to feel bothersome, and without the drugs, these things are hard to ignore. But I still want to be together.

Then we seem to subtly try to change things about the other person, have them do something differently. It doesn't seem like much at first, to have them do the thing they always do, differently. But it means we’re no longer willing to accept each other for who we are, and I know when I don’t feel accepted for who I am, I normally don’t want to continue being around someone. But being a ‘WE’ somehow changes that.

We may be living together now. Have interconnected lives. Mutual friends, etc, and it's not easy to separate from that. I know I become very focussed on her, as if the life I had before was all about bringing me to this moment. The ‘WE’ idea overwhelms me.

I love her, so I’m willing to adjust, make it work, because together is better than apart. But I’ve had several attempts at being in a long-term relationship, and each time it seemed like this time it was finally the right one, but only for a while.

There was always love and friendship, laughter and sharing. Which seems to be what relationships are for me. Moments of experiencing connection, feelings of love, trying not to end up hurting or getting hurt, and hopefully learning something about myself. Becoming a better person. Growing up. And trying again, and then again, until it either works or doesn't need to anymore.

Being in relationship has been the most challenging times of my life. And each time I meet someone, and have that feeling that tells me togetherness is imminent, it's always intoxicating.

The biggest challenge has definitely been remaining myself without getting lost in the ‘WE’ idea.

The thing that ‘WE’ do. This concept creates a whole new persona, formed out of an idea of who WE are together. Both believing it. Both interpreting and expecting, often policing the other, to ensure it. Perhaps relationships where people spend a lot of time apart don’t suffer from this as much? IDK. But I have seen it in others and I just don’t like it. Is this a couple issue that is always inevitable in some way? Have you been like this?
 
The most sucessful couples I know leave a lot of room for each individual to be themselves.

Neither person asks the other to change because the change would make the other person more likeable. They respect one another and let one another be themselves.

Their compromises are about how to ensure that each of you has more of what each wants. They don't do things to maintain the health of the "coupleship", they do things to be supportive of each other and this creates a healthy "coupleship".
 
The most sucessful couples I know leave a lot of room for each individual to be themselves.

Neither person asks the other to change because the change would make the other person more likeable. They respect one another and let one another be themselves.

Their compromises are about how to ensure that each of you has more of what each wants. They don't do things to maintain the health of the "coupleship", they do things to be supportive of each other and this creates a healthy "coupleship".
This is what I've always imagined should happen. But in my experience, and observing many others, what you refer to seems fairly rare by comparison.

In my case, it could just be, for whatever reason, I've always chosen someone who is incompatible. Or I'm incompatible with them. We both have issues. My issues are different to her issues. And no matter what we do, they always eventually cause it to end. :(
 
yeh, I'm a bit in the same school, Simon, I had a cold upbringing, had boyfriends, but uh...no-one ever bonded with me in my 'family', it impacts on ones ability to form relationships... Sounds like you expect too much from relationships, like they have to be all things/all people to you, I used to think like that...but maybe Im just talking about myself.

I think maybe your talking about a lack of 'agency' being your own person, thing? I finally am, but it's all come too late.
 
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Sounds like you expect too much from relationships, like they have to be all things/all people to you, I used to think like that...but maybe Im just talking about myself.
Yes. That is what happens.
I think maybe your talking about a lack of 'agency' being your own person, thing?
Yes. I became lost in each relationship, and in slightly different ways. It was only once this had happened that I realised how much I needed not to be.

It always seemed okay to completely immerse myself in the relationship at the beginning. Some kind of energetic emotional merging takes place. I would describe it as the falling in love experience, but perhaps it is different for different people. We call it falling for a reason. Perhaps this is what I experienced when I fall.

Then at some point I begin to pick myself up again. Only who I am now has been terribly affected by this merging experience, and I'm not sure how to be myself in this two-person dynamic. I do my best to adapt and adjust to her ways, because I love her and want to support her, and this further shifts me into being someone who no longer acts independently anymore. It feels like I've given myself over to the idea of our 'We'-ness; surrendering to what I feel is the goddess within her.

I remember having a conversation with a guru in the ashram, who talked to me about how I would have to see my partner in order to be in a relationship with her. But it seems that no matter who I see this is never who she is.
 
This is what I've always imagined should happen. But in my experience, and observing many others, what you refer to seems fairly rare by comparison.

In my case, it could just be, for whatever reason, I've always chosen someone who is incompatible. Or I'm incompatible with them. We both have issues. My issues are different to her issues. And no matter what we do, they always eventually cause it to end. :(

It may be age related. Though I don't know your age. But I am 54 and my friends are all nearing 60 or over. Time, experience and maturity might be factors.
 
The relationship with my spouse is only the second real relationship I experienced. Both of us, being the oldest in out families, are strong willed, and there are times we enjoy our individuality and times we submerge ourselves in the We. It took a bit of work to adjust to marriage and the lesson my spouse taught me was to "embrace imperfection."

I agree with @Aspychata . Before I was able to experience relationships, I had to learn to be my own person, enjoying myself for who I was and being able to advocate for myself. Only then could I appreciate the other's personality and learn what I found attractive. Plus, then I could be confident in opening up myself to intimacy. It took work to get that far and that when memories of the previous isolation are triggered, I need to remember that being a part of WE or I and I is far preferable to that grim loneliness.
 
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I agree with @Aspychata . Before I was able to experience relationships, I had to learn to be my own person, enjoying myself for who I was and being able to advocate for myself. Only then could I appreciate the other's personality and learn what I found attractive. Plus, then I could be confident in opening up myself to intimacy. It took work to get that far and that when memories of the previous isolation are triggered, I need to remember that being a part of WE or I and I is far preferable to that grim loneliness.

Yes! This is all very true.

A significant eye opener for me was this phrase: "Do you want to be right, or happy"?"
Being confident in yourself allows you to choose "happy" over validation, a.k.a "right".
 
Yes! This is all very true.

A significant eye opener for me was this phrase: "Do you want to be right, or happy"?"
Being confident in yourself allows you to choose "happy" over validation, a.k.a "right".
That is a great idea! I put it right up there with "embrace imperfection."
 
Being confident in yourself allows you to choose "happy" over validation, a.k.a "right"
It all comes down to confidence then. To be confident in being oneself. And to not have the necessary confidence makes it too easy to get lost in the relationship. I never had enough confidence in myself. I didn't know who I was.

This is not said as an excuse, but I believe it was the way I was brought up. The kind of mother I had. My autism going unrecognised. She brought me up to need her. To rely on her. So that in a way, when I was finally able to break free of her, I never really did, only transferred that reliance on to whomever I was with. Unfairly expecting them to be everything I needed. I wasn't looking for another mother, but I can see how I might have been doing that anyway.
 
@SimonSays, you might have already explored the idea of codependence, if not, I urge you to look into it. Once you learn to set boundaries your confidence in yourself takes off growing like a sping weed. Your other relationships improve too!

Patrick Teahan on Youtube has some great videos. This is one I particularly liked.
 
To be confident in being oneself. And to not have the necessary confidence makes it too easy to get lost in the relationship. I never had enough confidence in myself. I didn't know who I was.
BINGO! When I was a a low point in my isolation (shy, inexperienced, high social anxiety) I took stock to become my own person, beginning with liking myself and my accomplishments to find my own voice. That took several years of fumbling by myself. Only then could I learn the personality that I found attractive in the women who interested me. Plus, part of the dance of intimacy is opening onself to the other . . . . made all the sweeter with your own good sense of self that you share with your partner.

Now my current task is to bring that agency forward to recognize that when past emotions from the trauma of isolation are triggered, the self that persevered and overcame social deficits still is valuable and who desires more room for good memories than those from a sad past.
 
D@SimonSays

This is extremely important. Without confidence in one's self, we continue to draw the same unhealthy people near us because that feels familiar. Maybe you just don't like the co-dependency your mom shoved on you when you were trying to establish independence. So by negating every relationship, you are shutting down your mom perhaps . Maybe your mom had a bigger impact on you. My mother certainly created a lot of issues for me that l struggle with today but l am breaking free. Everybody has contributed important pieces of this puzzle. Finally, with confidence, the *WE* is not so threatening or debilitating if we are secure healthy in ourself first. So the lesson for me is, enter in to any relationship with confidence and strength. And with confidence, comes validation of feelings from either party.
 
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It may be age related. Though I don't know your age. But I am 54 and my friends are all nearing 60 or over. Time, experience and maturity might be factors.

Time, experience and maturity certainly are factors in a relationship. But that is not everything, some relationships are just meant to be. I am 75 and my wife is 67. We have been together for almost 50 years. We have 5 kids and a bunch of grandkids and great-grand kids. I believe that family plays a big part in our time together. I think that the biggest thing that keeps us together is how we feel about each other. I always put her wants and needs before mine and she feels the same way. To us that is love.
 
Time, experience and maturity certainly are factors in a relationship. But that is not everything, some relationships are just meant to be. I am 75 and my wife is 67. We have been together for almost 50 years. We have 5 kids and a bunch of grandkids and great-grand kids. I believe that family plays a big part in our time together. I think that the biggest thing that keeps us together is how we feel about each other. I always put her wants and needs before mine and she feels the same way. To us that is love.

Lucky you!
 
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Yes. That is what happens.

Yes. I became lost in each relationship, and in slightly different ways. It was only once this had happened that I realised how much I needed not to be.

It always seemed okay to completely immerse myself in the relationship at the beginning. Some kind of energetic emotional merging takes place. I would describe it as the falling in love experience, but perhaps it is different for different people. We call it falling for a reason. Perhaps this is what I experienced when I fall.

Then at some point I begin to pick myself up again. Only who I am now has been terribly affected by this merging experience, and I'm not sure how to be myself in this two-person dynamic. I do my best to adapt and adjust to her ways, because I love her and want to support her, and this further shifts me into being someone who no longer acts independently anymore. It feels like I've given myself over to the idea of our 'We'-ness; surrendering to what I feel is the goddess within her.

I remember having a conversation with a guru in the ashram, who talked to me about how I would have to see my partner in order to be in a relationship with her. But it seems that no matter who I see this is never who she is.

Maybe she sees you the same. She may feel immersed also. Best to just talk about how you feel to that person, and you maybe surprised that they feel the same way. Maybe they adopt to your ways, maybe you can't see that.
 
It can be an intellectual/emotional morasse when the relationship is over to feel good enough to take up a solely internal chase for self-esteem.
For me it helps to do something else to augment the change or transformation I seek; a physical task or workout each day for at least a couple of hours.
 

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