Lying Awake At Night...

[jaredis1]

I am sorry to hear that Jared. That must have been awful for you.

thx and last night i got my first good nights sleep...

 

[CJinherPJs]

thx and last night i got my first good nights sleep...

That is good to hear. btw have you told anyone the car wreck was coming back to you in your sleep? You should be able to get help if it's still bothering you.

 

[jaredis1]

That is good to hear.

thx

btw have you told anyone the car wreck was coming back to you in your sleep? You should be able to get help if it's still bothering you.

no i have not and i did see a tipe o

...killed me sis...

killed me sis? killed my sis more like

 

[Sean2222]

I thought that I would kick off a fairly self-indulgent thread, as for the first time in my life it is likely that I have found at least a few people who might have some idea WTF I am on about.

It seems to be fairly common that Aspies suffer from insomnia and odd sleep patterns. So what do you do with those hours that you spend just lying there in the dark. When I was a teenager, so around the same age as most of the forum members, I would come up with all sorts of theories about the nature of God. I don't believe in God, but when you consider the distinct possibility that there is a God of some sort, what sort of God makes sense to a rational human mind?

I theorised that time must be finite. Why? Because if time is infinite in both directions, then there must be an infinite amount of time preceding any event. As such nothing could ever happen, right? I ran this by a few people and they always tried to tell me that my logic was flawed. It wasn't until I read "A Brief History Of Time" by Stephen J Hawking that I found someone else talking about the same issue.

Time and Space are not infinite, but how can they be finite when the human mind cannot conceive of a boundary on either? If time is finite, then there must have been a time when time did not yet exist. In which case there couldn't have been a time, as such, when time did not exist. :wtf2:

If God is not a person but a force of nature, why did He create the universe? Is God even aware of the existence of mankind, are we even relevant?

What is the nature of consciousness? The odds against "me", or any other specific individual, even existing in first place are beyond astronomical. So how is it that this specific "me" came to be?

I'll type up some of the ideas and conclusions that I came up with a bit later.

I have had insomnia and narcolepsy for so long and narcolepsy for months. It is not a pretty thing to live with. Especially when falls from the narcolepsy landed me in emergency a few times. Anyway, at this point i have such a hard time sleeping I wake uo every 2 hours so. Try getting any kind of restorative sleep that way. Or try dreaming. I often times feel so much worse after I "sleep" and wonder why I even tried. I write alot of poetry and other various things, so many times I will lay there just thinking of things to write and I iwll get up to put pen to paper. Otherwise I don't think of very much else when I'm trying to sleep.

 

[Sean2222]

I usually daydream. Nights when I actually have trouble sleeping are rare, but most of the time I just don't want to go to sleep right away; I want to stay awake and dream for a while. I love it. <3 If I have a sleep disorder, it's having early morning awakenings. I hate them, because I'll wake up super early but not want to get up, and after a little while go back to sleep and then wake up later than I'd intended, and tired.

I daydream quite a bit too, and just keep falling asleep randomly (narcolepsy). But generally the topics of my daydreams usually center on love, romance, things I long for. In some place they actually exist and I experience them, but not in this realm of reality

-sean-

 

[chinaberry]

I sleep very well at night. When I was younger I didn't, but now it's fine.
If I try to settle down past a certain time (11ish) then I won't get to sleep for ages. I usually go to bed early anyway (earlier than this now, but was watching TV with my parents). Also I have to have my half hour reading and then the blankets have to be heavy enough and sometimes I do count sheep... I don't feel guilty enough that I could lose sleep just to think about the world...or maybe I'm just not smart enough.

 

[richbebo]

Yeah...I've had a major major meltdown in public before and started crying. Not good. And my 'friends' of the time (not friends now...**** YOU ASPERGER SYNDROME) took the piss. Meh

I'm listening to cheery music right now to cheer me up though

I dont cry ever no matter how upset i get, i dunno wether i just dont care or i cant make tears come out, i just dont. Its the same with any emotion really like anger. My ex hated it because i was so chilled with everything i could be treated with absoloute disrespect and i would just be like "meh". I hope i can blame this on the aspergers.

 

[anthoskate]

I thought that I would kick off a fairly self-indulgent thread, as for the first time in my life it is likely that I have found at least a few people who might have some idea WTF I am on about.

It seems to be fairly common that Aspies suffer from insomnia and odd sleep patterns. So what do you do with those hours that you spend just lying there in the dark. When I was a teenager, so around the same age as most of the forum members, I would come up with all sorts of theories about the nature of God. I don't believe in God, but when you consider the distinct possibility that there is a God of some sort, what sort of God makes sense to a rational human mind?

I theorised that time must be finite. Why? Because if time is infinite in both directions, then there must be an infinite amount of time preceding any event. As such nothing could ever happen, right? I ran this by a few people and they always tried to tell me that my logic was flawed. It wasn't until I read "A Brief History Of Time" by Stephen J Hawking that I found someone else talking about the same issue.

Time and Space are not infinite, but how can they be finite when the human mind cannot conceive of a boundary on either? If time is finite, then there must have been a time when time did not yet exist. In which case there couldn't have been a time, as such, when time did not exist. :wtf2:

If God is not a person but a force of nature, why did He create the universe? Is God even aware of the existence of mankind, are we even relevant?

What is the nature of consciousness? The odds against "me", or any other specific individual, even existing in first place are beyond astronomical. So how is it that this specific "me" came to be?

I'll type up some of the ideas and conclusions that I came up with a bit later.

I am always thinking about the things that you are talking about. Like time being infinite or not, what happens to us when we die, if humans were left on this planet to be studied to see how we evolve with the resources that we are given (that would be the best way to study evolution). The only thing is that I'm not to good at gathering my thoughts so I could come up with a load of theories in a year and not be able to explain them after a couple of weeks.

I go to bed near 4 am and if I try to go to bed before then I can't sleep for the whole night and my only thoughts are about how much I want to sleep.

 

[Tarragon]

Obviously, there couldn't have been a 'time', when when time didn't exist! So what? That don't prove time is infinite in duration. There are some philosophers that agree with your point about why it can't be. Then, most people now believe that the universe did start, so that's agreed, anyway. Not sure how God can be a 'force of nature', though, 'before' (for want of better word) the universe existed.

Ahem,

Time is a phenomenon observable within our own universe. Our own universe is about 15billion years old (ish?!) so time has been ticking since then.

Now....

Before the universe - there wasn't the universe.

But, the question is, is the universe everything? the answers probably no, as there's growing evidence of a multiverse out there.

Time is constant? That's the question to ask, not time is infinite? Because whose to say time isn't relative to the dimensions of each universe within a multiverse. In which case, the issue of "is time infinite?" is a meaningless question!

There might be "universal time" but each universe runs to a different clock speed. The fabric upon which the multiverse exists might have its own clock speed.

There 'ya go - I've been not sleeping too recently(!)

(I am quite proud of having argued the possibility of multiple universes to a physicist 20 years ago, before the multiverse thing took off. Just another way my aspie brain doesn't listen to "conventional thinking"!!! )

(Ps, can anyone guess what one of my special interests is??)

 

[wyverary]

Ahem,

Time is a phenomenon observable within our own universe. Our own universe is about 15billion years old (ish?!) so time has been ticking since then.

Now....

Before the universe - there wasn't the universe.

But, the question is, is the universe everything? the answers probably no, as there's growing evidence of a multiverse out there.

Time is constant? That's the question to ask, not time is infinite? Because whose to say time isn't relative to the dimensions of each universe within a multiverse. In which case, the issue of "is time infinite?" is a meaningless question!

There might be "universal time" but each universe runs to a different clock speed. The fabric upon which the multiverse exists might have its own clock speed.

There 'ya go - I've been not sleeping too recently(!)

(I am quite proud of having argued the possibility of multiple universes to a physicist 20 years ago, before the multiverse thing took off. Just another way my aspie brain doesn't listen to "conventional thinking"!!! )

(Ps, can anyone guess what one of my special interests is??)

Have you ever read Sean Carroll's From Eternity to Here? I'm only halfway through it or so (and haven't picked it up in a while), but it's FASCINATING. It's all about the physics and theories behind the idea of time, how we measure it, and, fundamentally, what it actually is. He's one of the best science writers around.

 

[Tarragon]

Have you ever read Sean Carroll's From Eternity to Here? I'm only halfway through it or so (and haven't picked it up in a while), but it's FASCINATING. It's all about the physics and theories behind the idea of time, how we measure it, and, fundamentally, what it actually is. He's one of the best science writers around.

He he - no I haven't, but I've just downloaded a sample on my kindle app. I was just waffling my own thoughts on the subject, and am fascinated this guy is writing about something similar. I'm always a bit "out there" with my ideas - perhaps I should be a cosmologist(!) except I never did maths at school!! Maybe that's why I kept annoying scientist!

Thanks for the heads up, I will read the book end to end. Depending on your view of time, it will be either from front to back or back to front!

 

[tlc]

I've always had problems getting to sleep, from back when I was little. I always wondered how people could just lay down and go to sleep, because I would just lay for hours. Well when I got my first clock radio I would listen at lowest volume, then for awhile had the ritual of waiting for the "3 o clock artist's block" (3 songs in a row by one artist, at 3 am) then I'd go to sleep. And still get up for school and function just fine. Later on I'd listen to my walkman. Then later on I got an old TV and I'd listen to that at lowest volume. I still do that. What I most commonly do these days is read from the huge pile of books on the bed, and that tires me out faster than anything. Sometimes I wake up with the book on the floor or on my face.

 

[IContainMultitudes]

Great, now I'm going to be awake all night...

 

[I am that which I am]

I have had sleeping problems since I was a child. I used to tell myself stories to get to sleep when I was young. I also tend to think about theories or philosophy before going to bed and used to do that when I was a child as well. Always felt I was odd for coming up with these theories and philosophical ideas that had adults squinting at me for thinking those things.