Media does not teach good values!

[The Penguin]

The biggest reason media does not interest me is because it does not teach good values. If there is a time they do, it's a rare event.

Media setup standards what beauty is. People put a lot of pressure to look like a model rather than accept themselves who they are.

Media focus on showing many stupid things about celebrities instead of other topics that are more important in life.

I could make an endless list, but there no need to as it's very easy to find information about the standards set in the industry. For the most part, they don't give a dam about you except your money.

I'm not a person when I see a beautiful person with a product that I will automatically buy it. The only exception I would see a need for a person to do this if it relates to beauty products. But even still, the beauty industry is not about accepting who you are.

Now everyone has a choice if they want to base most of their life about media. But as for me, I'm not one of those people.

 

[epath13]

It depends on what you watch but I do agree many programs send out confusing messages. At one hand "we are all pro peace, acceptance..." whatnot and then suddenly "those people are total morons, or let's kill them..." maybe I'm exaggerating, but, in a way, it's true. The thing is we can talk about people in media and their responsibilities, but then there's going to be a conflict with freedom of speech. I think our TVs are like mirrors, they are reflecting us, but the thing is we are reflecting them back... I think media makers, just like any product makers - create something to meet demands of people who buy. As for commercials, I wonder if it's just about selling profuct, maybe it's also about making them more entertaining for some groups of people. Commercials take a lot of air time, so they become sort of a part of the whole show.

 

[The Penguin]

The thing is we can talk about people in media and their responsibilities, but then there's going to be a conflict with freedom of speech.

I think there needs to be a line drawing about freedom of speech. Out of all the things that is marketed, I don't support clothing industry promoting clothing for little girls that really revealing. The bigger issue, I don't understand parents allow their their kids to wear that type of clothing? They are putting their child at higher risk at predators. If teens or older wants to wear that type of clothing, that their own business. But I can't support little girls wearing this type of clothing, especially kids that are in the single digit age.

 

[epath13]

I think there needs to be a line drawing about freedom of speech. Out of all the things that is marketed, I don't support clothing industry promoting clothing for little girls that really revealing. The bigger issue, I don't understand parents allow their their kids to wear that type of clothing? They are putting their child at higher risk at predators. If teens or older wants to wear that type of clothing, that their own business. But I can't support little girls wearing this type of clothing, especially kids that are in the single digit age.

I do agree that young kids are oversexualized. And I think it does send a confusing message, but, in my opinion kids are the ones who affected the most by this message. What I mean by that: in the kids eyes it almost become normal to accept this oversexualization's apparent normality. I don't think any culture in this world have, what would be considered as healthy view on sexuality and this new "dress code" is one of the reflections of it. As for predators, I can't really be 100% sure what's going on in their minds, but I believe, to them, it doesn't really matter what a child is wearing. Even though oversexusluzed image of children may give them permission to abuse (in their minds) or at least to feel less guilty about it. But in the end, there are also plenty of societies where this type of clothing would not be accepted but I don't think rates of kids abuse are any lower there, and in some places may even be higher than in our society. I think the core needs to be healed, dealing with symptoms may resolve some issues temporarily but it's not going to solve the main problem. Each individual needs to become responsible for what they say, and, primarily, for what they believe about themselves, the world, the "right" and "wrong".

 

[Spiller]

I've had this issue with the media since studying psychology at college and discovering that there's a whole science, worth billions, devoted to selling products we want to buy, whether we need them or not.
In my opinion, this leads to the consumer culture we currently experience, the large debts many people accrue, posessions = status and much of the general dissatisfaction we experience due to not being able to have what those happy, smiling, beautiful people on the adverts have.
There is also the element of some people being more susceptible than others, but I think the success of the advertising industry indicates that the susceptible are the majority?
A while ago, I didn't have a TV for several years and I don't waste my time with newspapers.. when I did get one, I found that I was inexplicably irritable, then realised that it was the adverts causing it.. If I had that new phone I'd be happy.. If I took my family on that holiday, We'd be happy. As long as I mute the TV during commercial breaks now, I'm fine.

 

[The Penguin]

Spiller

Thanks for your reply. I know I need to share some documentaries on this later.

 

[Judge]

There is also the element of some people being more susceptible than others, but I think the success of the advertising industry indicates that the susceptible are the majority?

Psychologically there's a very fine line between the effectiveness and pervasiveness of political propaganda and mass advertising. However one is subject to more stringent legal controls in a democracy, where the other has far fewer of such impediments to achieving their goals of cultivating target audiences and sales of goods and services.

Corporate charters have always existed to protect and serve shareholders, officers and directors. Not the state, nor the public. They're really under no legal or moral obligation to promote values other than what serves their bottom line. Under such legal and political circumstances I wouldn't look to them when it comes to promoting the values of society. In the case of my own country, I'd have to point out that the alternative of allowing a political entity to dictate the social values of an entire nation is equally unpalatable.

Look elsewhere for what you may think constitute "good" values. Look to your own heart and mind, rather than depend on the public or the private sector. After all, you can't trust either of them. Both have their own agendas.

 

[Spiller]

Psychologically there's a very fine line between the effectiveness and pervasiveness of political propaganda and mass advertising. However one is subject to more stringent legal controls in a democracy, where the other has far fewer of such impediments to achieving their goals of cultivating target audiences and sales of goods and services.

Corporate charters have always existed to protect and serve shareholders, officers and directors. Not the state, nor the public. They're really under no legal or moral obligation to promote values other than what serves their bottom line. Under such legal and political circumstances I wouldn't look to them when it comes to promoting the values of society. In the case of my own country, I'd have to point out that the alternative of allowing a political entity to dictate the social values of an entire nation is equally unpalatable.

Look elsewhere for what you may think constitute "good" values. Look to your own heart and mind, rather than depend on the public or the private sector. After all, you can't trust either of them. Both have their own agendas.

Business gets away with this because government benefits directly from taxes!
Hence AND alternately (sneaking it in - despite the current regime attitude) the existence of StarTrek, StarGate, Batman, Spiderman, etc.. the moral, though appreciated by an apparent minority - fanbased - I feel the true purpose of media, promotion of good will, harmony and goodwill toward your fellow man.. that's all I seek, though it's thin on the ground.. I think too many are influenced by media 'nudging', which pushes them in the direction of consumerism and self centredness..
My thoughts, anyway

 

[Judge]

Business gets away with this because government benefits directly from taxes!

Yep. The CBC may be government-funded, but if they bring government the share of revenue they want or need, don't expect government to care how they get it.

 

[Spiller]

Blimey, Penguin, I've barely finished posting this, I've gotta say.. and this isn't the first time I've spotted it, you are on top of this place, my friend, good to have you nearby mate

 

[Spiller]

We need to petition Brett on a 'Multi agree' button, or multi choices!

 

[The Penguin]

Blimey, Penguin, I've barely finished posting this, I've gotta say.. and this isn't the first time I've spotted it, you are on top of this place, my friend, good to have you nearby mate

Glad you are enjoying the post. I'm happy I had 3 people replied to this post so far.

 

[Spiller]

Glad you are enjoying the post. I'm happy I had 3 people replied to this post so far.

It's been said before by others, my friend, but you are not only extremely valued here, but I consider you my friend, Mr P!

 

[wyverary]

When it comes to advertising, the best marketing strategy--and this is primarily in those ads geared towards women, but also sometimes to men--is to play on the target's insecurities. I, too, find that utterly repulsive. I don't think it's a new thing, I think it's always been that way.

When it comes to fiction (television, movies, etc.) there are actually some shows that do an excellent job conveying what it really is to be a "good person" or are otherwise honest representations of what it means to be a human in general. Buffy the Vampire Slayer springs immediately to mind...the characters are all very complex and relationships are quite nuanced, and the show's overall message is very positive towards human dignity (especially women). And you don't necessarily have to portray morality to demonstrate such ideas. Anything where there is honest representation as to "good" or "bad" or "grey area"...they exist. Breaking Bad is, in my opinion, a good example, and I could list off movie after movie after movie as well.

 

[Spiller]

When it comes to advertising, the best marketing strategy--and this is primarily in those ads geared towards women, but also sometimes to men--is to play on the target's insecurities. I, too, find that utterly repulsive. I don't think it's a new thing, I think it's always been that way.

When it comes to fiction (television, movies, etc.) there are actually some shows that do an excellent job conveying what it really is to be a "good person" or are otherwise honest representations of what it means to be a human in general. Buffy the Vampire Slayer springs immediately to mind...the characters are all very complex and relationships are quite nuanced, and the show's overall message is very positive towards human dignity (especially women). And you don't necessarily have to portray morality to demonstrate such ideas. Anything where there is honest representation as to "good" or "bad" or "grey area"...they exist. Breaking Bad is, in my opinion, a good example, and I could list off movie after movie after movie as well.

Have you seen Sanctuary, Arrow, The Flash..etc, wyverary? What about the crossover between good, thinky/moral story line and sexy, tight leather clothing? Taking advantage of both ends of the scale?

 

[The Penguin]

When it comes to fiction (television, movies, etc.) there are actually some shows that do an excellent job conveying what it really is to be a "good person" or are otherwise honest representations of what it means to be a human in general. Buffy the Vampire Slayer springs immediately to mind...the characters are all very complex and relationships are quite nuanced, and the show's overall message is very positive towards human dignity (especially women). And you don't necessarily have to portray morality to demonstrate such ideas. Anything where there is honest representation as to "good" or "bad" or "grey area"...they exist. Breaking Bad is, in my opinion, a good example, and I could list off movie after movie after movie as well.

I don't think Buffy was my type of show and I know nothing about Breaking Bad. As a whole I don't really watch any modern TV shows. However, I'm going to watch Episode 1 of Breaking Bad if I can see where your getting at.

 

[Judge]

However, I'm going to watch Episode 1 of Breaking Bad if I can see where your getting at.

In all honesty you won't get a feel for such dynamics watching only one episode of that series. You have to watch pretty much the entire series (six seasons) to really understand the self-destruction of the main character Walter White.

 

[The Penguin]

In all honesty you won't get a feel for such dynamics watching only one episode of that series. You have to watch pretty much the entire series (six seasons) to really understand the self-destruction of the main character Walter White.

Hmm this show is not working for me. The start of the show don't interest me and I'm jumping to other section of the show which don't interest me either.

So it would be hard for me to connect with wyverary comment but I glad at least other people can.

 

[Judge]

Hmm this show is not working for me. The start of the show don't interest me and I'm jumping to other section of the show which don't interest me either.

So it would be hard for me to connect with wyverary comment but I glad at least other people can.

Yes Wyv makes a good point, but only if you have seen the entire series and can recognize both the very good and very bad aspects of who Walter White was. A good man who lost his way and liked losing it just a little too much.

Truly a classic Greek Tragedy interspersed with a bit of comedy.

 

[The Penguin]

Yes Wyv makes a good point, but only if you have seen the entire series and can recognize both the very good and very bad aspects of who Walter White was. A good man who lost his way and liked losing it just a little too much.

I see. Hard thing for me if a show don't get my attention in 5 minutes, I won't watch it. When I jump to the other part of the show that was showing drugs, that part was a flag for that this show is not for me. From reading what written in Wiki, I see Breaking Bad is a popular show.