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Men, advice to your autistic childhood self

I'm sorry you didn't like being 12, @Forest Cat, but if we didn't have people that age the world would be so deprived. It's a fantastic age to work with, and they're comparatively so fresh and open and imaginative and not yet jaded - they have qualities that adults would be wise to retain. Just look at these kids, and they're around that age: :hearteyes:


Sorry I can't help with the question, @Kalinychta, but I see you've had some good advice there. :)
 
My 12-year-old autistic nephew is being bullied at school, including by his teachers. No one likes him,…but their aversion to him isn’t exactly unjustified. He’s one of those autistic kids who can’t seem to converse about anything other than his own interests, which turns people off, including me. Autistic people certainly aren’t known for being charming or likable, and it’s so heartbreaking to watch the poor kid’s self-esteem steadily plummet.

My question: if you could board a time machine, travel back to your childhood years, and sit down with yourself as a kid, what would you say to him (you)? What sort of advice would you give?

I’m particularly interested in hearing from the men here, but women please comment as well.
What people say isn’t necessary what they mean.

The microcosm that you exist in at the moment, isn't the world. There are people that care.

You will have the opportunity to make your own way and make the world a better place.
 
"I am sorry you are being bullied, as persons in this word often do not tolerate, accept and/or appreciate those that either look different or that cannot say and do things in ways society expects them, too. So, you basically have at least three options, though more could exist too:

(1) Continue to be yourself, but to try to find ways to be strong enough to not worry too if others like you and if you have any friends or not, telling yourself that you are a great person and special regardless if others can see it or not, and if they do not like you it's more a reflection on them than you.

(2) Try to be more aware that typical conversations allow give and take, and they often involve discussing topics that interest the other too or that can deviate from our own interests, and so if you can attempt to be more flexible there and try to limit talk of your interests to others and talk other things that interests them and other topics, too, you might be liked better and show more reasons to be your friend.

(3) Tell your parents that #1 and #2 are not working or are not able to be done or without having severe daily anxiety and fear, so you wish to leave that public school environment that is harming you severely and that has and will further stunt your creativity and growth, with a desire to be homeschooled or tutored by someone that can accommodate your needs; to learn those required school things in ways best for you, and to express in those ways where your interests, educational needs and abilities should take priority, not theirs, as you are not NT, saying you need to feel more protected, cared about, special, motivated to be yourself, and less criticized, abused and rejected as that is not what learning and growth should be about.
 
The advice I'd give to my younger self is the same advice I'd give to a young autistic girl since the advice is equally applicable. I have an autistic niece who is around that age and she could stand to hear this too:

  • You are not the center of the universe. Others have interesting stories to tell. One of the greatest strengths a person can develop is listening.
 
My 12-year-old autistic nephew is being bullied at school, including by his teachers. No one likes him,…but their aversion to him isn’t exactly unjustified. He’s one of those autistic kids who can’t seem to converse about anything other than his own interests, which turns people off, including me. Autistic people certainly aren’t known for being charming or likable, and it’s so heartbreaking to watch the poor kid’s self-esteem steadily plummet.

My question: if you could board a time machine, travel back to your childhood years, and sit down with yourself as a kid, what would you say to him (you)? What sort of advice would you give?

I’m particularly interested in hearing from the men here, but women please comment as well.

Wow, that’s quite an interesting thought.

Yep, my school life was mostly a hellish exercise in being bullied. Bullying by other kids were the least and easiest to deal with. Being bullied by the teachers – and family – was the absolute worst.

Honestly, I really have to think about what I would say to my 12 year-old self, even after all these years and experience. I guess I would just tell myself that I/you are autistic and what that means. I didn’t know that until I was 66 years old (a profound revelation). I would explain that autism makes me different in ways that conflict with people who are not autistic – the majority. I would explain to me that I am quite literally blind to all the non-verbal social communications and mostly blind to even verbal social communication feedback to be able to recognize and understand accepted delivery. I would explain that this blindness is not fixable and the object is to learn to understand the blindness and how to navigate in that darkness. It's an exercise in experience. I would explain to never expect to be "normal", but I would add that that is OK. There are many versions of "normal". I would tell myself to not despair; that I am in good company. I would point out that many of the world's greatest are/was autistic, including Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Nikola Tesla among hundreds of others – even movie stars – who all suffer(ed) just like me. I would explain that I/we was born to be who I am and that I am not defective (Throughout my teens and most of my life, I was deeply depressed and convinced that I was profoundly and fundamentally defective). I would explain that everyone is blind to something and that everyone struggles with something. I would explain that while my autism was/is a major difficulty throughout life, it has also enriched my life beyond what I could have ever achieved without autism. I would explain that the time period I am in at 12 years is indeed a very, very hard one, but to just hang in there and bear with it - and know that you are NOT defective. And, to never give up on your (my) dreams and keep pressing ahead. It will indeed all turn out really great. It just takes a lot of perseverance. I would add that there is always the other side every struggle and that all routes to Shangri-La are very difficult.

I guess the effort for achieving a good life is not easy. But, that's not a bad thing. It's the struggle that sets the value of the good life.
 
Be yourself. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Don't be too sensitive. Keep trying to make friends and then a girlfriend until you succeed. Never give up.
 
My 12-year-old autistic nephew is being bullied at school, including by his teachers. No one likes him,…but their aversion to him isn’t exactly unjustified. He’s one of those autistic kids who can’t seem to converse about anything other than his own interests, which turns people off, including me. Autistic people certainly aren’t known for being charming or likable, and it’s so heartbreaking to watch the poor kid’s self-esteem steadily plummet.

My question: if you could board a time machine, travel back to your childhood years, and sit down with yourself as a kid, what would you say to him (you)? What sort of advice would you give?

I’m particularly interested in hearing from the men here, but women please comment as well.

Hello Young Atrapa Almas, I just travel back time to enlight you and teach you some valuable lessons that will help you and probably cause a deathly space time paradox. So listen carefully:

  1. Go and start building your body. Start going to the gym and specially practice martial arts. I know you are very intelligent, but having a good body will help you both in social scenarios and in health. I agree that violence is the last resource, but kicking a bullys groins is the best anti-depressive known in the future.
  2. When interacting with some person focus on that persons interests and needs. You can only talk about your own interests when you find someone who shares that interest AND even in that case, you must mostly listen.
  3. From now on you will forget about good grades and spend that studing time learning communication and social skills. Youtube isnt there yet but there are books like "How to make friends and influence others".
  4. Now pay attention, about money thing. Dont even worry. Start working now, and as soon as you see Google listed stock, invest everything you earn on it untill JAN 2020. Sell all, and buy again at MARCH 2020. The info I have goes untill 2022.
  5. Now about the love thing, If you follow my advice you should stadistically have more chances of finding love, but actually I did nothing and found a great wife and an incredible daugther. Also a very good job, and... ermmm.
  6. Forget what I said, Im a very happy peson. You can continue playing role games, reading fantasy and having fake friends. Just remember the martial arts thing. Living with fear is not worth it. :)
About your kid, just remember that perfection is the natural enemy of what is good. We are not machines.

Best of luck.:)
 
Well we have been thinking of signing him up for karate…
When I was a kid I would go to (and my mother made sure I would go) all kinds of clubs (karate, swimming, chess, rowing, riding, arts....etc) I switched it up every few months.
In retrospect it helped me to have contact to peers without talking to them as the main goal is to do something that is not socialising but you still learn to be around others and often people are more friendly when you definitely belong to their group.
I am female and I always had some friends and I don't think I have ever had only one single special interest. So I cannot help alot.
But I think the most important thing is to make sure he knows he is loveable and loved even if people are annoyed with him in a particular moment.
I think it took me 20-30 years to find out that my friends liked/loved me even if they were annoyed with me (and saying so, very unmistakeably) . It helped alot to realize this. I then felt safer and it build my self-confidence.
Good luck!
 
Oh god, what was that even like? It was only 7 years ago and I barely remember. I don't know how some of you know what to say 50+ years later!

In seven years some guy on a forum named Gerontius is gonna say some truth a lot better than I could. Take it all to heart. Very few people are going to get you. There's nothing wrong with you or them, it's just the way things are for us and it'll be a lot less painful if you think of it that way.

Besides, those people who get you do exist and you were born lucky. You're going to find them. When you click you'll know almost instantly; if you don't they're not worth going after and that's okay. "Trying to make friends" doesn't work for you, it has to fall into place.

The reason that's surprising: your sister lets people get away with too much (especially now since she hasn't been hurt yet) and just because she lets you talk her ear off doesn't mean she's enjoying it. Learn to read her.

That applies to the dog too by the way. I know we got him for you but he's Mom's. Border collies only have room for one. And he's not as hostile to you as you think, you just have to take it slow. He won't be around as long as he deserves to so make sure you love him (though now that I think about it, get him to the vet around, oh, the end of 2019). Get your own dog on either July 8 or 9 2015. He won't be the one you expect but you'll know him instantly. And let him sleep in your bed from day 1, it's where he deserves to be.

Your best friend is leaving you behind. I'm sorry. You'll both be assholes in puberty soon and he'll rub you the wrong way, and he doesn't feel friendship as deeply as you do because other people just don't. I know it hurts. It still does and I wish I knew why.

Don't try so hard to act "grown up" and not be "cringe". (A) you're autistic, you're "cringe" by nature (look at your sign, you're Cancer for a reason lol), and (B) someday you'll be 20 catching up on all the nerdy teen things you didn't let yourself do and you'll feel a bit pathetic just discovering the stuff everyone else grew out of three years ago. You think you're dodging the pitfalls of being a teen but you're in one and if you keep going it'll take a long time to climb out. Also I hate to say it but nothing in the world can stop you from being a moron at 13. Especially enjoy the music you like without fear.

All those rich, spoiled kids at your school, you're just as rich and maybe more spoiled than them. It'll be at least seven years before you meet one single family as great as yours. Not even one.

In high school you'll like a few girls who might like you back. Go after them. Again, I know you wanna avoid the pitfalls but you need relationship experience. Wizards never think they'll become wizards but they do anyway. Look at your aunt. She's a cautionary tale but you're more like her than you want to admit. P.S. Get to know her better.

You have ADD, you need medication and stimulants don't work for you. Once you have it you'll be able to start your homework earlier. Dad's been telling you to start at 5 for ages already. Do it or you won't get a good night's sleep for seven years.

Start working out. You know Dad wants to teach you. Unfortunately you won't get big gains for at least ten more years, that's his genetics (6'2" 140 and he lifted even), but P.E. doesn't have to be hell. And wouldn't it be fun to be smarter and stronger than other people? I swear it's something you can change. Also if you love Dance Dance Revolution so much, learn how to actually play it well. It's fun!

Stop waiting for the world to bend to your pride. It never will. We were born with enough anger for two people and I don't know how to make it go away, but you don't have the power to hurt anyone but yourself.

Everyone on the internet is trying to bait you, including the reputable ones. Especially the reputable ones. It'll only get worse when the country's politics go to hell next year. Don't trust anyone who writes articles, answers or posts with titles.

Don't be scared of college. It's actually easier than high school once you get used to it, at least for you. Yeah, you see how your sister feels... but you feel like that anyway. And you don't have to go to class 8 hours a day! (breaking the "12" rule a little bit, that's more 14-17 but still)

And lastly, watch Homestar Runner. Sewiously. It just got off hiatus, it might help you through the lonely times, and heck, you're still a kid so the nostalgia might be less painful than it is for me. Just don't binge it all at once, it won't update often and you don't wanna run out.
 
I can't answer in the way asked for, but my advice is to try help him anchor his self worth within himself so he doesn't seek it from others and suffer. Beat him over the head (figuratively) with the fact other people all have their own things going on and to never sell his self worth in negotiation about how he is perceived.
 
Well we have been thinking of signing him up for karate…
Excellent idea. Although, I was a different type kid, I would have been bullied much less if I kicked some butt once in a while.

My other advice is to work with him to find ways of meeting kids more like himself. I realize that might be much less difficult than it was for me as one of the undiagnosed generation.

@Qoyote I like your style in literally addressing your 12yo self. I'll have to work on doing that for my 12yo self. Yes, literally doing that after all these years is challenging. I'll go find some pictures from back then to get started.
 
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Just be patient, do your best everyday and someday you will be able to relax. Don't blame yourself for things outside your control. (I am also a woman but my advice would be the same to both Girls and boys)
 
I would tell him to not be afraid of the “goth kids” but befriend them instead because the fundies are wrong about them being “trouble”, don’t let anyone shame you for liking things that aren’t “cool” just because your “friends” think so, and your older brother calling you “dainty” for liking keyboards instead of skateboards is wrong.
Hi! I've just signed up to reply to your comment (and maybe later browse the forum and present myself).

You are so on point, I've thought of this not too long ago (I'm 34)... I wish I had made friends with this kind of people in my childhood, I was pretty alone with the exception of one friend who was (I believe) also in the spectrum.

I realized later in life "goth kids" tend to be more acceptant people (and that I love the type of music they listen too, including the lyrics -some of which in fact are relevant to my life experience-).

PS: Not a native speaker
 
I would tell my young adult self that the quick escape of alcohol was not worth it.
 
For better or worse, at times all we can really do is to hang in there and be that rock- and an island:

A winter's day
In a deep and dark December
I am alone
Gazing from my window
To the streets below
On a freshly fallen, silent shroud of snow

I am a rock
I am an island

I've built walls
A fortress, steep and mighty
That none may penetrate
I have no need of friendship
Friendship causes pain
Its laughter and its loving I disdain

I am a rock
I am an island

Don't talk of love
Well, I've heard the words before
It's sleeping in my memory
I won't disturb the slumber
Of feelings that have died
If I never loved, I never would have cried

I am a rock
I am an island

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me
I am shielded in my armor
Hiding in my room
Safe within my womb
I touch no one and no one touches me

I am a rock
I am an island

And a rock feels no pain
And an island never cries

That was my childhood. One I kept to myself.

Ironic that singer/songwriter Paul Simon is not on the spectrum. He described it so well...
 
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