Microsoft Finally Blocking Unsupported Windows 11?

[Judge]

I tried windows 11 and hated it and thankfully could revert back to windows 10 and so far, no issues.

Yep, a lot of people apparently did exactly the same. Perhaps the ultimate "feedback" for Microsoft.

Which makes me wonder whether they may extend the life of Windows 10 a bit longer...but then that's probably a remote possibility at best.

Windows 10 present end of support date: October 14, 2025.

 

[Judge]

An interesting presentation on Microsoft's repetitive dilemma of introducing a bad operating system to replace a good one. Which includes a minor chance of them either extending support for Windows 10 (as they did with Windows XP), or removing the stupid hardware requirements for Windows 11 that few people seem to want.

Meanwhile they are hard at work on Windows 12, which may be an improvement over the faltering Windows 11, but still have stiff hardware requirements that may be rejected by a great many consumers who either can't afford such an upgrade, or refuse to pay for it.

In essence, once again they are in quite a pickle. Where attempting to pacify consumers will likely be at the expense of shareholders' expectations. Perhaps this time may prove to be this corporate behemoth's "Waterloo".

Good riddance. After all, there are alternatives.

 

[Forest Cat]

It's great that Microsoft's stepping up to ensure Windows 11 runs on supported devices. It's all about optimizing security and performance, right?

I could be wrong but I think it's mostly about spying on people, stealing all their personal info and forcing people to do as Microsoft wants.

 

[Judge]

I could be wrong but I think it's mostly about spying on people, stealing all their personal info and forcing people do as Microsoft wants.

The worst of Microsoft. And Google as well.

That harvesting data is now the most lucrative aspect of what they do. Not operating systems nor search engines. With both finding ever more robust ways of stealing your data.

Largely a non-issue with Linux distributions, with the exceptions of telemetry one can opt to turn off, such as in the case of Firefox and Thunderbird. But then since Linux isn't a monolithic corporation, it has little interest in spying on its customers. Combined with producing a much more secure operating system it's a potent alternative to both Windows and Chrome.

Given such realities, it's difficult for me to see either corporate entity in terms of what it will do and where it goes pertaining to Artificial Intelligence. Which may be more akin to a child playing with a stick of TNT. When pacifying shareholders is the name of the game, as opposed to "building a better mousetrap". Coming as a surprise to some, who don't realize that they are not synonymous with each other in this era.

Where demand is not met, so much as it is created to manipulate their own captive markets.

 

[Nitro]

The worst of Microsoft. And Google as well.

That harvesting data is now the most lucrative aspect of what they do. Not operating systems nor search engines. With both finding ever more robust ways of stealing your data.

Largely a non-issue with Linux distributions, with the exceptions of telemetry one can opt to turn off, such as in the case of Firefox and Thunderbird. But then since Linux isn't a monolithic corporation, it has little interest in spying on its customers. Combined with producing a much more secure operating system it's a potent alternative to both Windows and Chrome.

Given such realities, it's difficult for me to see either corporate entity in terms of what it will do and where it goes pertaining to Artificial Intelligence. Which may be more akin to a child playing with a stick of TNT. When pacifying shareholders is the name of the game, as opposed to "building a better mousetrap". Coming as a surprise to some, who don't realize that they are not synonymous with each other in this era.

Where demand is not met, so much as it is created to manipulate their own captive markets.

It has long been my opinion that the anti-virus companies are also responsible for creating the very things their products are meant to remove.

 

[Judge]

It's great that Microsoft's stepping up to ensure Windows 11 runs on supported devices. It's all about optimizing security and performance, right?

Nope. Many developers will tell you that options like Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 do not significantly add to the protection of an operating system. But that constraining eligibility creates a more captive audience when it comes to the transactional nature between operating system manufacturers, software developers and hardware manufacturers. Where Microsoft always gets "a piece of the action".

It's all about improving their bottom line, and maintaining a "bait and switch" strategy in retaining shareholders and all the equity they continue bring to Microsoft. Great examples of capitalism, but at the cost of keeping customers' expectations minimal while delivering quarterly expectations to shareholders.

 

[Judge]

It has long been my opinion that the anti-virus companies are also responsible for creating the very things their products are meant to remove.

Excellent point....I have no doubt about that. It's all too obvious in how certain high profile companies use deceptive marketing practices to create the very product they are sworn to protect.

Good capitalists exploit demand. Great capitalists create it where it didn't exist.

Or as some might say, a case of "the tail waging the dog".

 

[Nitro]

I have entertained switching over to linux, but my position here dictates that I use tried and somewhat true methods to interact with our forum.

I fully understand how superior linux is in the bigger picture, but at the same time can't put myself thru an experimental phase to try it on.

Windows is horrible, but I also can sleep well knowing that I once tamed Vista

 

[Judge]

The good news is that Linux seems to have overcome some of the obstacles Microsoft put in place regarding Windows 11. Though personally I'm not a fan of dual-booting anything. Better to stick with removable hard drives as I do or consider the use of virtual disks.

Funny though in my case, some two years later and I no longer see a need to perpetuate the use of both Linux and Windows. Especially as I have more or less given up returning to gaming. Though admittedly I enjoy continuing to load various Linux distros on separate SSDs that I can switch on this computer in less than ten seconds.

 

[Outdated]

I have entertained switching over to linux, but my position here dictates that I use tried and somewhat true methods to interact with our forum.

It does take a little bit of getting used to, most of us kept using windows for years while we started playing with a linux machine on the side and conversion was a slow process.

 

[Judge]

I have entertained switching over to linux, but my position here dictates that I use tried and somewhat true methods to interact with our forum.

I fully understand how superior linux is in the bigger picture, but at the same time can't put myself thru an experimental phase to try it on.

Windows is horrible, but I also can sleep well knowing that I once tamed Vista

Totally understand that particular predicament.

Same reason as a web developer (many years ago) I had to have two completely separate computers and operating systems in my corporate work station. A generic pc running Windows with good but not great specs, and an iMac. And of course to write scripts in websites making the most of attempting to make Netscape and Internet Explorer (and later Safari) browsers render text and images that looked relatively similar.

Not always an easy accomplishment. And it could be time-consuming well beyond my basic job functions which also included multiple forum administration.

 

[Nitro]

The good news is that Linux seems to have overcome some of the obstacles Microsoft put in place regarding Windows 11. Though personally I'm not a fan of dual-booting anything. Better to stick with removable hard drives as I do or consider the use of virtual disks.

Funny though in my case, some two years later and I no longer see a need to perpetuate the use of both Linux and Windows. Especially as I have more or less given up returning to gaming. Though admittedly I enjoy continuing to load various Linux distros on separate SSDs that I can switch on this computer in less than ten seconds.

My reboots are few and far between.
If you ever paid attention, you may notice that I am never logged off here.
There are many reasons for that, one being that no one really ever knows if I'm online or not.
That harkens back to the days when our chatroom was a clownshow pretty much 24/7.

 

[Nitro]

It does take a little bit of getting used to, most of us kept using windows for years while we started playing with a linux machine on the side and conversion was a slow process.

I'm spread too thin already.

My offline world is an extremely busy event with little time left over for me time.

 

[Judge]

Yep, can't deny the inevitable. The switch to Linux was worth it, but it took a lot of work- and time to get it right, especially with a computer that is more than a decade old.

It does take a certain commitment to transition to Linux, even if your install goes perfectly the first time, and presumably with a much newer hardware platform. Though it's just a falsehood for anyone to assume that one must live and die by a command prompt in Linux. It just ain't true.

It must be acknowledged that for whatever reasons, not all of us have the time to accomplish this. Point taken.

 

[Nitro]

Thursday morning is a prime example of my scheduling snafus.

Because I have the oldschool knowledge of motor vehicle repairs, I was recruited to assist with changing and reaming of kingpin bushings to repair the worn out front end on a buddy's '50 Ford Coupe.
The bushings are supplied undersized, and after pressing them into the steering knuckles, they need to be resized and reamed into alignment with each other and for the final fitment.

Not many of us guys left that still understand it let alone can do it.

 

[Judge]

It is interesting at times though to see industry folks speculate on some of Microsoft's options. Especially the possibility that they may take the same route as they did with Windows XP and extend the support duration a few more years when they can sweep Windows 11 under a rug and go straight to Windows 12.

Yet I suspect the likelihood of Microsoft dropping their unnecessary hardware limitations won't happen.

To update this thread, I have seen more presentations on YouTube which suggest that Microsoft is beginning to crack down on anyone who may be running Windows 11 on an unsupported system. Something I was considering attempting now that I have no dire need for Windows 10 now, but that it may be a lost cause. Hard to say right now. Microsoft may relish in just keeping us all guessing.

In the meantime seeing the market share of Apple and Linux on the increase. As it should be.

 

[maycontainthunder]

Personally, if I had a hand in designing a security feature, it would plug in to the PCIe bus. BIOS may not be able to see it but Windows would. Doing it like this would make any system compatible without the need for hacking the OS install files.

 

[Judge]

Personally, if I had a hand in designing a security feature, it would plug in to the PCIe bus. BIOS may not be able to see it but Windows would. Doing it like this would make any system compatible without the need for hacking the OS install files.

Consider Microsoft's influence- and clout in the hardware industry. That they have far too much control over motherboard engineering and architecture, and would likely pay manufacturers to create a work-around for that as well. With Linux eventually finding a work-around of their own in the process.

Proprietary silliness that isn't likely to end any time soon. Without even building a better mousetrap.

Sherman Anti-Trust Act? Microsoft never heard of it.

 

[Kavigant]

I preferred Windows 7. I don't want an operating system that also wants to be an entertainment system.

 

[Kavigant]

Thursday morning is a prime example of my scheduling snafus.

Because I have the oldschool knowledge of motor vehicle repairs, I was recruited to assist with changing and reaming of kingpin bushings to repair the worn out front end on a buddy's '50 Ford Coupe.
The bushings are supplied undersized, and after pressing them into the steering knuckles, they need to be resized and reamed into alignment with each other and for the final fitment.

Not many of us guys left that still understand it let alone can do it.

Western nations are on the cusp of a competency crisis, with few knowing how to maintain older tech upon which we all rely. We've gone badly astray...