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Might I be AuDHD?

AuroraBorealis

AuuuuuDHD
I mentioned here in the past that my memory is bad and that that frustrates me very much. After some thinking, I've come to a different conclusion. I don't have bad memory. I even have quite good memory. What I have is a bad and unstable attention span.

I was always a straight A student in school and also did well at university. I could and always liked to study - studying for my finals at high school was even an escape method for other problems I had, and I often hyperfixated during exams, especially writing essays, in the way that I'd "dive into them" at the start, and emerge an hour later, not having noticed anything else in between, and often not even remembering very well how I'd managed to write so much in the meantime.

I always was a very visual learner, and my go-to studying method was and is reading about something and writing flash cards. But I did also remember a lot of things teachers and professors said in class. I never had much problems focusing there. But then, I also find most things very interesting - science, language, history, geography. If I found something boring, I had more trouble, but there wasn't much I found boring in the first place. Paying so much attention in class was always tiring, but also exhilarating. At university, when the lecture's content was more dense and difficult than in school, I'd need to take a break sometimes, not paying attention at all for 10 or 15 minutes, and then I'd go back to paying attention.

But everyday life was and still is completely different. I can't for the life of me seem to remember things other people tell me. Of course I don't forget everything, but I remember much, much less than people expect and than most other people seem to remember. An anecdote: My partner told me something 3 or 4 times over the course of the last few weeks, and yesterday I still couldn't remember that he'd even said it once. Things like that happen often. I am the archetype of "out of sight, out of mind" - that also explains my clutter and my inability to keep a place tidy. I also forget appointments, orders I made, or things I needed to do - if I don't write them down. I keep a meticulous calendar, so I have a handle on everyday life. But it really bothers me that I seem so inattentive to other people because I forget what they told me. It makes me seem like I don't care about the things they tell me, which is not true at all.

Growing up, I had the habit that when someone told me something personal I'd really want to remember, I'd write it down right after they told me, and then I wouldn't forget. But I can't keep doing that all my life, it's too time-consuming.

When I told my partner all of this, he said that that supports our suspicion that I might actually be AuDHD, instead of "just" autistic. There are other things that point into that direction - my impulsiveness, my sudden immense enthusiasm for things that usually only lasts between hours and days, my life-long "hobby-hopping" (switching hobbies often, and each time getting really excited about it and buying all the stuff needed for it or contacting a club, just to lose interest after a few days), my inability not to interrupt people because I know that if I don't say things then and there, I'll forget them shortly after, my absolute inability to keep a place tidy and follow a schedule for longer than a few days.

I never really believed this because I did so well at school and university, and had no problems paying attention there. But then, as I said, I always found most things in school and at uni just very interesting. What do you think?
 
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This is issue with my ADHD twin, lately so distracted from studies.
It's about general assessment of behaviour by parent or teacher, then lot to do with diet, esp. avoiding sugar.
So behaviour is excessively teasing brother, repeating insults over and over. Distracted, disrupting, talking over, bunking school, disregarding my rules as in naughty. So it's like does ADHD umbrella account for stealing, its hard one to pass off or explain (doesn't have asd) his brother would never steal and lie about it.
 
@AuroraBorealis I think that you probably do have both. I am diagnosed with both ASD and ADHD combined presentation and I did very well in school.
 
There are other things that point into that direction - my impulsiveness, my sudden immense enthusiasm for things that usually only lasts between hours and days, my life-long "hobby-hopping" (switching hobbies often, and each time getting really excited about it and buying all the stuff needed for it or contacting a club, just to lose interest after a few days), my inability not to interrupt people because I know that if I don't say things then and there, I'll forget them shortly after, my absolute inability to keep a place tidy and follow a schedule for longer than a few days.
I am exactly the same.
I am convinced I have AuDHD.
I have only started to seriously research ADHD recently.
"Better (very) late (for me) than never."

I think my ADHD has complicated my life as much as being on the spectrum.
Time to delve into it more deeply. :cool:
 
It's about general assessment of behaviour by parent or teacher, then lot to do with diet, esp. avoiding sugar.
For me, caffeine is a major problem.
That is when the hyperactivity really kicks in.
 
You might well be. I think if you suspect you are, it might be worth having a word with a medical expert to start that journey (should you want to). The problem is that the symptoms are something everyone has at some point, and self diagnosing by running through the list and seeing which applies to you is prone to confirmation bias. So you really need to have a professional opinion. I can tell you how I experience it, which may not be typical but might reflect better than the usual lists on what it's like.

First, I have noise. Not actually audio, but this mental noise. It's like reflections of thoughts bouncing round my head the whole time. Not ordered thought, and it's difficult to pull out any threads from the knot. Like one of those fighting dust cloud things you used to get in comic books when characters got into a scrap. The noise includes snippets of songs and stuff people say on repeat 24x7. Not a song that's catches and sticks in your head, I can't hum along with it, just like a record with a scratch that repeats. Until I started on meds I really never understood what someone meant when they said they were thinking of 'nothing'.

Second, and I think this is caused by the noise, I have a constant feeling of needing to find something else to do. It's like I'm driven 24x7. My brain feels like a crap bar-tender on new year's eve, running up and down the bar taking orders but nobody gets their drink. It's difficult to shut out that antsy, driven feeling, like there's a dynamo but it doesn't ever drive a single thing. It doesn't matter how much I get done, because it's not a list you can ever get to the end of, it's just nothing in my brain waits its turn. Everything needs attention RIGHT NOW!

That leads to third. I don't finish anything. Partly because as soon as I get started I get distracted by that maelstrom in my head. But also because I get bored quickly. Novelty, challenges, intriguing things all get a lot of attention. Especially knotty problems. But once they stop being stimulating, they are dead to me. So new projects are great. I'll be so excited. But then once I've broken the back of the problem, once it's basically 'solved' I can't bear the idea any more. Same applies to hobbies. It's all great at the beginning. Very exciting. Research, buying things, setting things up. Then it fades so quickly. I can do hobby CPR by finding a way to stimulate the ASD brain ("hey, let's put all those things in some sort of order") but I know already that once that is done the activity will be utterly unappealing.

That also all combines combines to make me difficult to talk to. I finish people's sentences. I look desperate when they speak because it all takes too long. I constantly fidget. My mind constantly feels like I'm in a meeting that's over-running and I'm about to miss my bus. This constant feeling of "Come ONNNNNN!!!!! Move move move!" I have terrible patience. I'm irritable. It feels unpleasant. I leave things half done. Not intentionally. I will leave bags half unpacked because I get distracted and there's probably something else I should be doing. I'm highly prone to getting pulled into things that offer that novelty-type feedback, and that can be very negative.

Caffeine actually helped me. Sort of. I used to drink a LOT. It sort of helped me concentrate, but also gave me the jitters, so I used to smoke to balance that. I gave up smoking long ago, but found other ways to calm the jitters from the caffeine that kind of worked but weren't as good as smoking. The meds I'm on can make a real difference. They don't do everything. I still need to make sure my work area is free from distractions and focus myself to start something, but it's helped a lot. My ability to get things done, rather than just being busy, has increased massively.

Ironically, that ability to do more and see clearly has presented a revelation: I do too much, and my family let me take all the weight. I never noticed as much before, because I was too distracted by Taz's whirlwind in my head. But now I can see, I see that I do pretty much everything while my family sit around most the time. I keep the house going, work, clean, cook, laundry. I haven't yet worked out what to do about that.

Anyway, I digress. That's how I experience ADHD.
 
Caffeine actually helped me. Sort of. I used to drink a LOT. It sort of helped me concentrate,
Apparently, some ppl who have ADHD are helped when taking caffeine.
Unfortunately, I am not one of them.
 
I suspect my AuDHD is responsible for my joking compulsion.
The mind is always active. :cool:
 
First, I have noise. Not actually audio, but this mental noise. It's like reflections of thoughts bouncing round my head the whole time. Not ordered thought, and it's difficult to pull out any threads from the knot. Like one of those fighting dust cloud things you used to get in comic books when characters got into a scrap. The noise includes snippets of songs and stuff people say on repeat 24x7. Not a song that's catches and sticks in your head, I can't hum along with it, just like a record with a scratch that repeats. Until I started on meds I really never understood what someone meant when they said they were thinking of 'nothing'.

Second, and I think this is caused by the noise, I have a constant feeling of needing to find something else to do. It's like I'm driven 24x7. My brain feels like a crap bar-tender on new year's eve, running up and down the bar taking orders but nobody gets their drink. It's difficult to shut out that antsy, driven feeling, like there's a dynamo but it doesn't ever drive a single thing. It doesn't matter how much I get done, because it's not a list you can ever get to the end of, it's just nothing in my brain waits its turn. Everything needs attention RIGHT NOW!

That leads to third. I don't finish anything. Partly because as soon as I get started I get distracted by that maelstrom in my head. But also because I get bored quickly. Novelty, challenges, intriguing things all get a lot of attention. Especially knotty problems. But once they stop being stimulating, they are dead to me. So new projects are great. I'll be so excited. But then once I've broken the back of the problem, once it's basically 'solved' I can't bear the idea any more. Same applies to hobbies. It's all great at the beginning. Very exciting. Research, buying things, setting things up. Then it fades so quickly. I can do hobby CPR by finding a way to stimulate the ASD brain ("hey, let's put all those things in some sort of order") but I know already that once that is done the activity will be utterly unappealing.
I don't identify with ADHD, but this still resonates as an accurate description.
 
I mentioned battling with discipline of my child, maybe remaining motivated to constantly keep interest, constant reminders to clean up, do homework. I felt like I was loosing it, with behaviour now since teen is just too much. It's like reverse of asd parent screaming I hate this situation and lacking stamina to always keep positive. Almost like I hate child because again I'm fixing stuff on rental deposit, destroying my scheduled study program,
I battle to get through day without coffee, the xylitol sugar is costly, so some days stick 3 cups but other days relapse, and then back to try again.
From my open source stuff years ago I had small savings for college, but in recession I'm loosing everything. Reach point where have negative thought pattern that blames sexism, as opposed to deciding what was me that lost the job or contract. So many factors contributing to depression.
Adhd could explain a lot, I thought it was because I didn't focus and play like normal mum, I'd have lot of gaps from kids, I actually blamed my being pressured into marriage for outcomes, but it is asd, and having alarm set to tend to baby before they cry.
I don't feel situation was or is conducive, but my whole life I've piled up with issues to just deal with, family life should really have flowing love, shouldn't feel like clock watching duty,
 
You might well be. I think if you suspect you are, it might be worth having a word with a medical expert to start that journey (should you want to). The problem is that the symptoms are something everyone has at some point, and self diagnosing by running through the list and seeing which applies to you is prone to confirmation bias. So you really need to have a professional opinion. I can tell you how I experience it, which may not be typical but might reflect better than the usual lists on what it's like.

First, I have noise. Not actually audio, but this mental noise. It's like reflections of thoughts bouncing round my head the whole time. Not ordered thought, and it's difficult to pull out any threads from the knot. Like one of those fighting dust cloud things you used to get in comic books when characters got into a scrap. The noise includes snippets of songs and stuff people say on repeat 24x7. Not a song that's catches and sticks in your head, I can't hum along with it, just like a record with a scratch that repeats. Until I started on meds I really never understood what someone meant when they said they were thinking of 'nothing'.

Second, and I think this is caused by the noise, I have a constant feeling of needing to find something else to do. It's like I'm driven 24x7. My brain feels like a crap bar-tender on new year's eve, running up and down the bar taking orders but nobody gets their drink. It's difficult to shut out that antsy, driven feeling, like there's a dynamo but it doesn't ever drive a single thing. It doesn't matter how much I get done, because it's not a list you can ever get to the end of, it's just nothing in my brain waits its turn. Everything needs attention RIGHT NOW!

That leads to third. I don't finish anything. Partly because as soon as I get started I get distracted by that maelstrom in my head. But also because I get bored quickly. Novelty, challenges, intriguing things all get a lot of attention. Especially knotty problems. But once they stop being stimulating, they are dead to me. So new projects are great. I'll be so excited. But then once I've broken the back of the problem, once it's basically 'solved' I can't bear the idea any more. Same applies to hobbies. It's all great at the beginning. Very exciting. Research, buying things, setting things up. Then it fades so quickly. I can do hobby CPR by finding a way to stimulate the ASD brain ("hey, let's put all those things in some sort of order") but I know already that once that is done the activity will be utterly unappealing.

That also all combines combines to make me difficult to talk to. I finish people's sentences. I look desperate when they speak because it all takes too long. I constantly fidget. My mind constantly feels like I'm in a meeting that's over-running and I'm about to miss my bus. This constant feeling of "Come ONNNNNN!!!!! Move move move!" I have terrible patience. I'm irritable. It feels unpleasant. I leave things half done. Not intentionally. I will leave bags half unpacked because I get distracted and there's probably something else I should be doing. I'm highly prone to getting pulled into things that offer that novelty-type feedback, and that can be very negative.

Caffeine actually helped me. Sort of. I used to drink a LOT. It sort of helped me concentrate, but also gave me the jitters, so I used to smoke to balance that. I gave up smoking long ago, but found other ways to calm the jitters from the caffeine that kind of worked but weren't as good as smoking. The meds I'm on can make a real difference. They don't do everything. I still need to make sure my work area is free from distractions and focus myself to start something, but it's helped a lot. My ability to get things done, rather than just being busy, has increased massively.

Ironically, that ability to do more and see clearly has presented a revelation: I do too much, and my family let me take all the weight. I never noticed as much before, because I was too distracted by Taz's whirlwind in my head. But now I can see, I see that I do pretty much everything while my family sit around most the time. I keep the house going, work, clean, cook, laundry. I haven't yet worked out what to do about that.

Anyway, I digress. That's how I experience ADHD.
Thank you, that is an informative description.

I'm hesitant about seeking professional help with this because, from an outsider perspective, I "seem" even less ADHD than I seem autistic, looking at my past life. From within, I see a lot of signs, but they aren't reflected in my CV or in my school or past work reports.
There is a psychologist I could consult, who specializes in autism and ADHD in adults, but getting an assessment from her would be rather expensive (especially if I wanted to be assessed for both), and it wouldn't be recognized by authorities if I one day needed disability benefits or similar. So I am hesitant about going to all the costs and time to get a diagnosis, without it even being an "officially recognized" one.
Privately, I think a diagnosis from her would be very valid, probably even more valid than from some other psychiatrist, since she spent all her professional life diagnosing and treating autistic and ADHD adults. But it would be a diagnosis "only for me".

Getting an official diagnosis would take a long time, and would at most places have to involve my parents - something I would really like to avoid in this case.
 
There was a member who discussed this ages ago, she had ADHD overlap ASD....
If you search older posts, but my interest is in siblings with ADHD or Asd
 
Some of this holds true - for me - some less so. On the positive side the difference between "special interests" of autism and hyperfocus of ADHD. If I'm honest, the latter shouldn't be called special interest, because they aren't, nor focus, because that carries with it the idea of intentionally directing your attention. It's fixation. They are fixations. So in the video she says something about having a mix of interests or hobbies, with the autism tendency to have these as monotropic and long term, and the ADHD ones being brief. I'd say the latter aren't really hobbies, they are fixations. Though I'd say she's right in identifying what they are doing: feeding the dopamine deficit (not using it up, ADHD has a dopamine deficit, not excess).

I disagree on the first two points about "opposites" or "balance". They are not opposites. Example: order vs chaos. ADHD doesn't mean you desire chaos. I want my environment to be ordered, predictable and known, very much so. That gives me comfort. But the ADHD doesn't say "to hell with that, let chaos reign". The ADHD says "let's get cleared up then, but first I'll nip to the toilet" and I never get back to starting. Or "let's clear the desk. First job, wipe the laptop. Hmm low on cleaning spray, better order some online, wow, look at that, I haven't done a virus scan in a while, better do that. I wonder if I have the best virus scanner". These are not opposites. autism and ADHD are not opposites. It's just that the problems with one can actually make the other worse. Likewise, they don't balance, in that way. In the video she says the reason she doesn't have the usual ADHD messiness is because she desires things to be tidy and ordered for her autism. Most people with ADHD want precisely the same, to the point that they are mortified by their inability to get things tidied and stick to getting it done. The point is that they struggle to do so, no matter how much they'd like to, because they have a gazillion thoughts along the length of the counter in their brain, all hammering a "ring for service" bell. I know ADHD presents differently in different people, but this is something you really shouldn't miss if you're doing this kind of vid.

The different traits in different places holds true IMO. I would guess that's the case for anyone to an extent, but when the different traits might be autistic traits, this can mean quite a difference in presentation. I don't think that any traits are hidden in different situations, per se, just that certain environments require certain responses of people, and if those required responses are ones that are different in autistic people or ADHD people, they'll become visible. It's not that they weren't there, just not required. This is true of autism on its own. For instance it's not till you're in a social situation that the challenges of social protocol might become very apparent. It's not different aspects of your personality vying for supremacy, it's just your neurological differences become obvious when exposed.

Sorry, I didn't get to the 5th one, just found this unfinished message on my browser from earlier, so better post it!
 

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