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My rant thread

Yeah, I was going to do another rant on the topic of how people who say to practice what you preach don't actually practice what they preach. It's like no one takes anything seriously... I take pretty much everything seriously, and that's one of the reasons I'm a little scarred by what people have said to me. It just sticks in my mind.
 
I hope talking about it here helps a bit, at least? Do you get the 'lighten up' routine, then, as well? I do have a sense of humour but I do believe life is serious, too. That's not against having some fun or anything. Hope things improve for you soon!
 
I think I have. People used to scold me for not liking being teased, because THEY enjoyed teasing/making fun of me but didn't care how I felt about it, and whenever I'd try to ask them to stop they'd just get mad and tell me to "lighten up."
I agree with you; I LOVE having fun and being silly but at the same time I wouldn't take it too far by using it to hurt someone else.
And yes, it kind of is helping to write it here. At least it's being read by other people, instead of just being shut up in my mind. And maybe I could learn a few ways to deal with people while I'm here.
 
Bearing in mind that people here, being mostly Aspies, won't be representative of most people you'll meet elsewhere. I can't imagine telling somebody I'd inadvertently hurt to 'lighten up'! I'd be saying, 'sorry, I didn't mean it that way'. But that doesn't happen, when I'm joking, very often. I'm not prepared to keep going round the same stupid circles with those people. It's been years and it keeps coming back to one fairly simple point. Sort that out and we can work on the rest. Up to you if you can goto another church or whatever. I think I'm a bit older and it's been this way far too long for me.
 
Yeah, I know. That's why I'm on here. =) I have nothing against neurotypicals, but I like being among fellow Aspies. They're more understanding, even though we're all different and have different profiles and struggles.
Well, the problem is lessed now because the speeching person moved away and now, at church I mainly talk to the nicer people. We're, like, always looking for a new youth leader, as is the case right now as the old one moved away, so now youth group is mostly just the session upstairs, which is hardly different from Sunday night church, so it's better now. Actually, some of the nicer people are understanding and know I have Asperger's.
But that other person whom I ranted about... I have no intention of her ever knowing. I'm done with her anyway.
 
At least it was basically one person for you! There doesn't seem to be anybody I can really talk to about it all. Mostly, there's this impossible 'definition' of arrogant as 'thinking you're right'. Like anybody telling you doesn't think they're right about whatever it was AND about you being arrogant. Only with that ready to be thrown at you in any other dispute, it's impossible to have reasonable discussion of anything. Or all the other stupid 'arguments' people use which should be called ad hominen if they're supposed to prove anything. My only local Aspie 'friend' isn't a Christian so I'm very limited in how much I can talk to him about it. He thinks there's any number of ways to interpret the Bible. Sure, in one sense but there can only be one right way. Nothing said about that ever actually applies and nothing in the Bible really covers most of the disputes. Strange, in a church claiming to go by the Bible.
 
To me, being arrogant means thinking you're right no matter what, no matter how much sense the other argument makes and how much proof there is for it, either that or refusing to listen to the other side at all. I've also seen people who try to force their personal opinion on other people and claim their opinions are or should be the law. To me that is arrogance. You're also right saying that there's only one right way to interpret the Bible. My parents are better at it than I am, though.
Yes, it's basically one person now, but a couple years ago when I didn't know I have AS and only knew that I'm different and like to do my own thing, it was basically everyone in authority. Youth events and church events in general were awful; I was constantly in trouble for not conforming to society. My self-esteem was really low as a result, and I was often angry or depressed. Even at home it was like that sometimes. Not so much now, thankfully. Maybe it's better now that some people know I have AS, so I don't get judged so much. But then again, you have to be careful whom you do tell because some people will judge you just for having AS. Test the waters before jumping in... I haven't told many people so I haven't been judged for it, at least not yet.
You know what, though? It's hard being an Aspie when it comes to society, but I've enjoyed going through all the obsessions, especially Mickey Mouse, who always has something new up his sleeve! That's part of what's kept me happy through the years. I don't think I'll ever not be obsessed with Mickey. <3
...Okay, I'll stop telling you my life story. XD
 
You would not believe how many rants and speeches I have made up in my head and not been able to say out loud because no one will listen to me for that long in RL. I've decided to write them in the word program on my laptop, to store them there, and maybe post them as Facebook notes for the people I interact with to see.
So far I've written only one and haven't quite got the guts to post it on FB yet, but I'll post it and future rants here in this thread on Aspergic.
My first one, I call "On Standards."

In November 2009 I went to youth group at my church, just like I do every Wednesday evening. Youth group is usually frustrating for me because, being an Aspie, I'm the naturally excluded type of person who never gets listened to or even noticed unless I'm in trouble or supposed to fulfill some sort of duty. When it was over I complained to a friend of mine, who then happened to be the youth leader, about how she and everyone else would listen to each other but not to me, even if the other person started talking when I had started first and was in the middle of a sentence.
Apparently I thought she was more understanding than she really was. The next thing I knew she was lecturing me. It was a very long, rambling speech and I can't remember much of it now, but the main things I do remember, the important parts, are, "You shouldn't expect us to listen to you, because we're only human; we can't do that... And you need to stop HOLDING PEOPLE TO STANDARDS. You need to stop!"
Whenever one of her very rare pauses between sentences came, I tried to tell her what I thought about it - my view - but she wouldn't listen; instead, she simply cut me off and continued speeching like she does every other time I try to talk to her. I think she actually said that she couldn't listen to everyone talking at once, but isn't that why we were taught as children to take turns? I think that goes for conversation too, not just games and activities. During this time she and I were the only two people in the room, but she still wouldn't listen to me.
When I went home afterward I was confused by everything she'd told me. I didn't know what to think, but what I did know was that it had been mistake to try to tell her my problem and think she would be sympathetic or understanding. I also knew that I felt pretty misanthropic.
So wanting to be listened to, just as other people my own age (and younger) are, is holding people up to impossible standards and expectations? That's like saying expecting the same from me (which everyone does) is holding me up to standards, and it's certainly not. I do have trouble hearing what someone is trying to say to me if someone louder is talking over him or if the's a quiet person in a room full of noisy people, but I still TRY to listen, instead of just ignoring and getting distracted, and if I can't hear him there I'll ask him to write it down or talk again once the noisy people are gone. I wouldn't just ignore him. That's STUPID! Being loud or in authority doesn't automatically mean you're always right (unless you're God) and shouldn't listen to anyone else, and people shouldn't take advantage of either.
Another thing that really irritates me is that sometimes I'll be talking to one person and we'll be having a great conversation, but then someone else comes along and just interrupts our conversation instead of waiting for us to be done. Even worse, the person I was conversing with often starts talking to them instead. Can't anyone see that the person they want to talk to is talking to someone else? It's obvious to me; they're standing next to each other, usually facing each other, and talking. That means they're having a conversation. Yet those same people scold us younger people for interrupting their conversations.
My conclusion is she's just full of pride and conceit, and making up excuses for ignoring me. The reason she wouldn't let me talk is that she knows I'm right and she's wrong; she just won't admit it. Well, who cares? She moved away, thankfully, and I don't have to deal with her stupidity anymore. I'm going to unfriend her on Facebook soon so I won't even have to put up with her there.

Has nothing to do with church. Although that actually make sit mor epitiful. It has to do with life. I have lived my life with these same dsabilities and have others either pry on me by bullying me, teasing me, making fun of me, or stracizing me. But then there's the invisibility thing as you are referring to. Noone has ever paid attention to my needs, my thoughts, my anything. They have disrespected me a million times over in situations like this and then force me to have to take a negative route and start arguments with idiots just for them to even acknowledge I'm speaking. They wonder why I could and never will be able to get along or have normal interactions. I may be disabled, but they use my vulnerabilities against me and will not act like decent human beings and treat me with any kind of respect. So I get frustrated and speak up only to be disrespected even more such as how you are reinterating it. hey want me to just stay out of he picture and disappear and when I try to insert myself to any sort of jormalcy that's where the double standards come on. Double standards in that they can say and do what theyw ant, but I can't say or do those same things or face ridicule or dissdain by the group or by others in general. I just had this in an asperger's chat room earlier. I very rarely say anything because I can't relate to them because to be honest most of thm come off as no better than nt's to me. Normal as can be. While my impairments are far beyond the scope of their limited understanding. Yet they whine about their problems, that are nothing compared to what I have lived with ina life that I should have and would have killed myself in every day for years. I am just so tired being around people not like me, even the aspies I meet online seem as normal as nt's and therefore just as annoying, selfish, mea, and uncaring as the nt's I despise. They won't give me any sort of respect or reaize how difficult it is for me to even process everything going on in that speed of a group and all the distractions, etc. When I say something it's met with ignorance or being ignored. I have left so many places in life from no good epople that I wish would burn but had peaches and cream lies and sat in judegement of me when they had no conception of what hell is to live in this body, this brain, this world. I have left many places on the net and it looks like Im leaving this aspie chatroom now too. As I have eft every place in real life where othershurt me and I wished them to all die a fiery death boiled in their own ignorance and narrow-minded oblivion. I honestly don't want anythin to do with anyone anywhere. I have withdrawn and faced solitude for years, and I don't think I iwll ever even try to have one friend, etc. I have never done any f the milestones everyone else in the whole world has done, and it just makes me more and more lonely and frustrated thinking about it. But the more I stay away from people and not go on the internet or any public places or any connection with people the better I feel. Always been that way and until I kill myself, this will be the way.
 
What I mean is, I know almost everyone is like that whether they go to church or not, but the thing is, in churches they talk and preach and go on about how we should listen to other people and try to be understanding and accepting of them, but when the time comes to actually do that, in real life, they don't do it. They WON'T do it. Yet they CLAIM to be a kind, understanding, warm person. It's like understanding and acceptance are reserved for people with severe disabilities - except social disabilities, because being naturally overly social they don't seem to know those exist - or poor people or sick people or elderly people or foreign people who don't speak English. Seems everyone thinks the people surrounding them don't need or want acceptance and understanding because they're people they know and regularly interact with, rather than exotic people in stories.
I once read some comments on a YouTube video about Asperger's, and they were written by Aspies saying that people seem to think Asperger's is a joke or something, and that people don't take it seriously. Back then I didn't really understand what they meant but now that I think about it I think I can identify with that.
One of my unwritten rants is about people not practicing what they preach... perhaps I should write it down, if it's somehow not all covered in this post.
I also think it's stupid that they demand and expect respect from the very people they disrespect and criticize.
 
What I mean is, I know almost everyone is like that whether they go to church or not, but the thing is, in churches they talk and preach and go on about how we should listen to other people and try to be understanding and accepting of them, but when the time comes to actually do that, in real life, they don't do it. They WON'T do it. Yet they CLAIM to be a kind, understanding, warm person. It's like understanding and acceptance are reserved for people with severe disabilities - except social disabilities, because being naturally overly social they don't seem to know those exist - or poor people or sick people or elderly people or foreign people who don't speak English. Seems everyone thinks the people surrounding them don't need or want acceptance and understanding because they're people they know and regularly interact with, rather than exotic people in stories.
I once read some comments on a YouTube video about Asperger's, and they were written by Aspies saying that people seem to think Asperger's is a joke or something, and that people don't take it seriously. Back then I didn't really understand what they meant but now that I think about it I think I can identify with that.
One of my unwritten rants is about people not practicing what they preach... perhaps I should write it down, if it's somehow not all covered in this post.
I also think it's stupid that they demand and expect respect from the very people they disrespect and criticize.

I was actually in a very bad mood (and very negative) at the time I wrote that little retort but still stand by majority of the ideas. You just get really tired after awhile at being treated poorly. But all of that is directed towards males for me. I have never had any of those problems with girls. They treat me very well. Guys, on the oher hand, are dead to me. I just wish they would truly disappear, as in off the earth. In your situation, you seem really consumed with making wrongs right. Very similarly to how I feel. But that just doesn't happen when you are dealing with so many people that are just not like you and don't care about you. You just have to find the good in those that are closer to you and enjoy it. Because there is alot of bad to get upset about Anne :)
p.s.- check your pm's.<.

-sean-
 
Oh gosh...I don't care if someone is condescending to me, if we haven't spent much time together, they might not know me very well and just be talking to me like they would any teenager who's a bit clumsy and daydreamy. I get annoyed when my parents do it, which they don't really, because they know how mature I am or not. I don't know if I deserve it or not either, I don't know how I come across to others. Sounds like this woman knows you pretty well. If she could go on a rant like that at you, she must be completely infuriated by you. If you're the only one who has a problem with her 'problem', who has the problem, what can I say?

About church- my family is all Christian (half of it is Catholic...) and I've been going to the same church since I was five or six. I'm not a Christian myself but I do like going there, because everyone knows each other, I help out in creche, I have a couple of friends my own age there (who also are not really Christians, but they go because it's sort of like an 'extended family').

Sometimes I do get a bit irritated because people seem to ignore me, but the truth is that the people I hang round with are very loud and I usually am quiet if I'm just saying something. People say I'm a mix of the two. When I'm loud, people take notice of me. When they're talking about important topics, I usually don't want to get involved much, so I talk much more quietly...maybe you should be more assertive? I realise it's hard to do that though.

Just my £0.01. :)
 
Yeah, I'd say she knew me pretty well, but only the outside me that I show to everyone. She lived here for a couple years and we were great friends until she started having kids and then became our youth leader, and changed. Also, it wasn't just me she was infuriated by; she would sometimes waste five or more minutes giving the entire youth group lectures and speeches, sometimes in the middle of a lesson. My brother is the same way as me; he liked her but lately he's been arguing with her a lot over the Internet and he doesn't like that her kids aren't given any privacy (an opinion that I share; I don't want to watch someone's kid take a bath, no matter how young they are).
I try to be assertive; sometimes I even yell to try to be heard, but still no one seems to hear me. Whenever I want to ask them to listen to me and not interrupt, they just cut me off more, saying they don't want to hear it. I think it's unfair because everyone else, even if they're younger than me, is able to talk without being talked over or interrupted, and people actually listen to them, but I am the one person who for some reason isn't allowed that common courtesy - even when I actually have something of quality and substance to say! I know I have a soft voice, but I don't think it's so soft and quiet that people are actually unable to hear me. They just ignore me.
I'm glad I wasn't diagnosed with AS until recently, because if I'd known of it earlier I probably would have told that woman, and that would have been a big mistake. She doesn't know, and I'm glad of it, for if she did she might have used it as another excuse to criticize me.
 
I'm very mad right now so I want to write another rant, to get all these thoughts out there before I calm down and forget them. That happens too often, and I wish it didn't because I could write some pretty good stuff. But anyway... here we go.
My sister and her very young son came to our house for Christmas and are staying for actually five whole months. My nephew was fun at first but now he's nothing but annoying. He runs around everywhere, pretty much UNABLE to settle down. He can't simply SAY anything - he has to YELL it all. He also screams, pretending to be "roaring like a triceratops." He follows me around everywhere, hovers over me while I'm on the computer, flickers the light on and off, and generally bugs me to death. When I ask him to stop or even yell at him, he just laughs at me and does it even more. Then, he asks (sometimes TELLS) me to do something for him, like put in one of my DuckTales DVDs so he can watch and enjoy them. I don't care how young he is - I see him as selfish. When I complain to my mom or his mom about anything, they just say things like oh, yeah we'll get him out of your way, etc. However, either that doesn't happen or it takes forever to happen.
Every Monday my brothers have tae kwon do classes from 3 to 4, and I love it because they take about 45 minutes going there and 45 minutes coming back (I think), so I get almost the whole afternoon to myself. Before my nephew came, I was told he'd be taking classes with my brothers, and I was happy about that - but then they found out that he'd take a separate, earlier class for which they'd have to leave an hour earlier. I don't see what's wrong with that, but I guess they do; now whenever I ask if anything's going to be arranged for him, no one knows. And it doesn't seem like anyone's making an effort to arrange anything. Ugh. I can't believe I'm going to be stuck with him and his inconsiderate rudeness until May! What's worse, sometimes when I tell people at my church how hard it is, THEY LAUGH AT ME TOO and encourage me to hang out with him more. Aren't they all inconsiderate! I absolutely hate that no one in real life ever takes me seriously! It's like they think that since it's not happening in THEIR lives, or since I'm young, it's not a real struggle and it doesn't matter at all. No one cares and they think my struggles are hilarious. One of these days I am just going to break down, and then get either laughed at or scolded furiously.
 
Bad luck, but unfortunatly thats the trouble with other peoples kids, they dont understand when there being annoying or doing something wrong and there is no way you can reason with them but woa betide if you say something to there parents about there kid because they themselves will give you an even harder time. I dont think theres anything you can do but grill and bear it i'm afraid.
 
I hate when people change. I've had so many friends that seemed really nice when I met them, but over time they completely changed and before long they were judging me and being cold to me. Nowadays they take everything I say as a personal attack against them. They try to pressure me to measure up to their own standards, things I am honestly very uncomfortable with. They don't even stop to consider how other people might feel; it's just them, them, them. We'll have talked about the importance of accepting other people's differences and then when they change they won't accept my being different from them. I try to reason with them and tell them why I don't want to do certain things but they don't understand, nor do they try to. This happens online as well as offline. This makes being an Aspie so hard; people start hating on you and you just can't maintain any friendships. This is one of the many reasons I'm never marrying or having kids. People are too egotistical and uncaring.

I tried to do you right; why'd you have to go and turn to ice?
 
It seems to be fairly common among us Aspies and even some neurotypicals to be frustrated when people change.
More on this: I was recently talking to someone over YouTube who seemed really nice, accepting and understanding for a while, then he wanted to know my account on a bunch of other sites I was on so he could get "closer" to me... and I didn't want to. I told him Facebook is too public, and what I meant by that is that I have really nosy family and friends on there and if my mom got involved she might tell me I couldn't talk to him anymore, and I know he wouldn't like that. But I didn't say that specific thing because I didn't want it to sound like I was keeping secrets from people. He got upset at this and kept pressuring me over and over to tell him my names on other sites so he could find me, and I kept refusing.
He also wanted to argue with me because he was tired of us agreeing on every single thing, thinking it was too sickly sweet or whatever. But the thing is, we WEREN'T agreeing on every single thing. He thinks boys are mean and I think girls are mean. We disagreed on that right from the start. We also disagreed on the whole "getting closer with other sites" thing. When he specifially asked me to argue and I didn't want to, that was another disagreement - arguing about arguing! That makes THREE and it still wasn't enough for him. He then sent me a super long, bitter message insulting me, saying I was using my family as "excuses" for everything, saying I had been "sugarcoating" everything from the start (which I wasn't; I was merely looking out for my own privacy, which he obviously doesn't respect at all, otherwise he wouldn't have tried so hard to pry into all my other site accounts), and eventually saying, "I thought you were a cool person with a good heart," etc. So basically now that I haven't lived up to his standards and he greatly misinterpreted me and switched my words around, he thinks I'm a terrible person. Actually, according to the Bible the heart is evil and really everyone is a terrible person because of their sin nature. So whatever, I'll let him think that and maybe go around dissing me to other people on the whole Internet. Doesn't bother me.
Oh, speaking of the whole Internet, I told him that one of the reasons I didn't want to argue was that my offline life is full of arguing and strife and stress, and actually I do argue some on the Internet but I generally come on to relax and escape from my awful everyday life for a while by doing what I like to do. He took that personally and thought that I meant I was using HIM as an escape and a bit of entertainment and nothing more, but that is a complete and total LIE. He was the one who messaged me in the first place. It was actually a bit of a challenge to respond to everything in his very long, deep messages but I managed to do it. I wasn't using him for anything; I was just engaging in conversation with him. Now that I think about it, he was being all pathetic in his YT message, complaining about how his "emotional needs will never be met," so now I have suspicion that he was trying to use me to satisfy his emotional needs.
If we argued merely for the sake of arguing to pacify him, I wouldn't have been able to take it seriously anyway. It would be too awkward, conscious and forced. I'd be doing it just to make him happy and get him off my back. If I argue with someone, it must be a natural argument.
He told me that all I do is complain about everything and that I use my family as excuses. What I was doing was reasoning with him why I didn't want to argue and why I didn't want to talk on ten million other sites, and also mentioning that my nephew bothers me and my family doesn't respect privacy or need for quiet. So, if my family tries to walk in on me or watch what I'm doing on the computer I should just laugh and encourage them to do it more, and then post things saying how much I love it, right? I should record an mp3 of my nephew screaming and put it up on the Internet praising it. I suppose I should also never say anything true but just say happy fluffy things just to appease other people, and this person too. I guess I should ask an admin to delete this very thread so no one has to hear my stupid thoughts but instead can continue in their happy fluffy lives while I bottle all my feelings up inside me. Also, he must be a hypocrite for telling me how badly HE'S been treated in the past.
So yeah, basically I'm ticked off by his stupid assumptions, thinking he can read me and know what my intentions are. If he ever read this he'd probably dismiss it as a bunch of pathetic excuses to make myself look good, but I am telling the honest truth. If he were more open-minded he'd know that, but apparently he, who has never met me in real life, thinks he knows me and my intentions better than I know myself. That, my friends, is truly ignorant. He doesn't truly know me. He doesn't know what I'm going through. He doesn't know what I have to put up with every single day. Thus, he has no right to judge me!
If a person truly had a small ego, I doubt he'd send such long, speechy messages anyway. This guy's starting to remind me of the "standards" woman.
 
My nephew was fun at first but now he's nothing but annoying. He runs around everywhere, pretty much UNABLE to settle down. He can't simply SAY anything - he has to YELL it all. He also screams, pretending to be "roaring like a triceratops." He follows me around everywhere, hovers over me while I'm on the computer, flickers the light on and off, and generally bugs me to death.

Hey, what is my son doing at your house?

Do you have a spare computer where you can teach him to play computer games? Or show him how to navigate youtube, bring up something he likes, and leave him to it? (Youtube keeps my son quiet for hours, has done since he was 4 years old and worked out how to navigate it himself. My son likes the monster truck videos, but also car crashes and airplane crashes).
 
Hey, what is my son doing at your house?

Do you have a spare computer where you can teach him to play computer games? Or show him how to navigate youtube, bring up something he likes, and leave him to it? (Youtube keeps my son quiet for hours, has done since he was 4 years old and worked out how to navigate it himself. My son likes the monster truck videos, but also car crashes and airplane crashes).

Haha. He's my sister's son, and I'm pretty sure you're not my sister.
I think my brothers have already introduced him to a few games but the most "spare" computer is the one my brothers and I share. Once I get a new laptop I won't have to share it anymore except to make videos with. YouTube might keep him quiet at least till each individual video ends, but I wouldn't want to let him hog the computer all day.
 
How old is your nephew? My son had worked out how to get onto youtube (he would use the search history) and click on the videos that looked interesting when he was 4 years old (nobody taught him,he worked it out for himself - he is an aspie after all). We would be sitting in the living room in the morning and my son would wake up and stumble past us (still in his pyjamas, dragging his toy puppy by one paw) to the study and stay in there for hours surfing youtube if we let him.

You can try getting him onto a subject that he is interested in and show him how to click on the pictures to select another video when that one is finished.
 

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