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One size fits all ~ society

Kayla55

Kayla55

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This isn't a doctor's perspective, it's an opinion on rigidness of society. Having children isn't a necessity anymore, so why the pressure? It's not as if tribe will starve in snow, so what if I'm different....

The herd is normal people, the majority
Then we have different, yet talented people who may fall into one category or may overlap....
Encompass your unique talents and stop trying to be something you not, no you don't need drugs. We need support to survive system being different, it's not to judge, it's too accept others...

Schizophrenia can also be a spiritual gift
Creative arts as in dance or music
Autism as intellectual or logical mind
Even being gay

This is controversial and my theory is that abuse or neglect causes attachment theory or pst. At times we need a good listener to help us process the wrongs.

The definition of disease and constant medicating of children or adults isn't working, embrace who you are, accept it. Maybe try draw few guidelines to how relate others and society.
I present changing psychiatric units to have more holistic approach, and questioning why society doesn't allow for this. Even allowing old age home to go swimming, enjoy life, promote happiness.

It's just a thought, only a thought
 
I wouldn't say it's controversial a theory. Abuse and neglect causes PTSD, CPTSD, addictions, and attachment issues. One of the key issues is that the role of trauma is one that affects people into adulthood and raises the risks of numerous diseases. Yet in medical schools, traumas pivotal role on people's health is not mentioned, let alone studied.

Similarly with in depth nutritional studies. As we also know that poor nutrition leads to various diseases and issues. Yet in the UK over 50% and in the US over 60% of the average person's diet is comprised of ultra-processed foods.

You'd struggle to remove psychiatric units reliance on medication. Big Pharma wouldn't just stand aside and see it's profits go down the drain. And business and politics is interwoven. So whilst there's a lot of necessary changes that need to happen - will it realistically happen?

There's always freedom to choose. Although in a psych unit, that right is often removed, and you can end up being forced to go on medication. Similarly, your actual freedom can be removed too, and you won't be allowed out until someone else deems you "ready".

Not sure a medication free approach to schizophrenia is viable. Although I don't know a great deal about the condition.

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When we are young, we learning so an empty barrel makes lot of noise.
When we are older and watched exhausted efforts it is time to speak, speak so that more changes to society can be,
Back during 100 year war our country barely survived 35 years, outnumbered and forced to adhere to laws governed who may own land. Persecution of those who were different or just land grabs and asylum and witch. To this day one may never even truly acknowledge the true influence on national geographic, due to crime of nationalism.
Tired we battle on in life, harvested by prying eyes of capitalists who weave a synthetic model and commercialise and market to the masses. Our stolen identities, our silent tears...this world was never created with individual in mind.
My latest theory is that if Alaska had Google in the 1800 n realised they had it good under Russian then Alaska would also be like Africa a original nature reserve.
Tough life, money to live, money to do most things, soul for sale n marketing to those who may never truly understand what never had to work for
 

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Sorry, my Mom hair started falling out. Don't want her at old age home as she's crazy. Yes, she is. Mom plz just read books, plant garden, be quiet ....it's much nicer than psychiatric ward
Epilum is not for bi-polar is my opinion. Maybe it's also that I need more time to research other drugs on epilepsy
 
I agree with the thesis of the op's points. A big part of this society, as free as it is in many ways, still often wants traditional conformity for issues that needs more creative and independent thinking. Followers can often be rewarded or glamorized more than leaders and deep thinkers. For these persons, also sometimes it's scary to accept new ideas, to think outside of the box, when all they need to do is to do as taught or told.

Don't get me wrong, I am a believer that some order and rules are needed obviously or else anarchy will occur. But, by creating too rigid of rules and protocols, and when a society wants to tell others how they should think and feel for some important things, and when many of these persons are not objective to others' views, this often harms and leaves out those who fall through the cracks, and who cannot tolerate that, follow that, or see any benefit in that because of their unique situation.

Often persons still can be seen as a statistic too and categorized by age, gender, identity, education level, social and marital status, condition, race, and we are sometimes trained often to not want to think for ourselves or decide what is best there, to challenge archaic or unfair laws and to come up with new ideas. Alternative medicine, for instance is laughed at by most traditional medical providers. It's as if they don't want to consider other approaches as it means either more work for them, showing past mistakes made, or taking more risks. Often these people cannot admit when they are wrong or don't want to expand their minds or consider fresh approaches..

Personally, I am more into holistic stuff than many traditional things stuffed down patients' or others' throat and when I see tons of negligence, categorizing, lack of thoroughness and harms coming from those practices, policies and procedures or from persons/entities who cannot think differently.. Part of the reason I am into holistic health, for example, is because I think in general they will want to tailor things to the individual, and as they seem to focus more on the positives than the negatives. Traditional medical persons and educators and media seems to want to focus more on things that I see as catered to what they think is best for the masses, their system, etc., and without willing to deviate much or at all from typical traditional ways, often with much deception, negativity and one- sidedness occurring there.
 
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I can’t help but wonder if many of the societal issues raised in this thread boil down to the world being simply too large and too busy right now. It really seems like humans were meant to exist in small tribes where there were collective efforts to meet the needs of the group and of the children. I can’t help but wonder how much pathology in the human mind and body is simply from living in a world where there are too many people with societies that are too large, disconnected, and focused on more than just surviving.

A small tribe, forced to focus on food, shelter, clothing, and protection from predators is likely a better state for the human mind than what we have now with modern society.
 
Rodafina said:
I can’t help but wonder if many of the societal issues raised in this thread boil down to the world being simply too large and too busy right now. It really seems like humans were meant to exist in small tribes where there were collective efforts to meet the needs of the group and of the children. I can’t help but wonder how much pathology in the human mind and body is simply from living in a world where there are too many people with societies that are too large, disconnected, and focused on more than just surviving.

A small tribe, forced to focus on food, shelter, clothing, and protection from predators is likely a better state for the human mind than what we have now with modern society.
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I think that's spot-on. It makes sense.
 
Thanks everyone, at least we not alone and have a portal to give another viewpoint.
Asked as a child the difference between manganese and magnesium of course I didn't know, then what I know now!! And seratonin....without knowing what it is and how it works how can you prescribe drugs based on treating symptoms. Absolutely incorrect and are people who took a medical oath, maybe not everyone should be a doctor even if you had access to education.

There are FDA-approved drugs that can help some people manage related symptoms of ASD. For example, the FDA has approved the use of antipsychotics such as risperidone (for patients ages 5 to 16) and aripripazole (for patients ages 6 to 17) to treat irritability associated with autistic disorder. Before using any behavioral intervention or drug therapy that claims to treat or cure autism, you should check with your health care professional.

https://thinkingautismguide.com/2018/06/autism-and-psychiatric-medication.html
The above link shows how children were drugged from small....
 
I would like to say my son has very few meltdowns with me as Mom, because I am mindful!!
Dive into this....no to the psychiatrist (prescribes drugs, psychologists don't) no because I want further evaluation into head knocking or why the patient is suicidal.
I heard a bi-polar patient say once that people around can make you bi-polar and to a certain degree I accept this. There is a lack of acceptance or space.
Let's say the patient is experiencing deep emotions that neurotypical wouldn't understand....and others are interfering with intellectually inferior alternative...maybe hitting his head is just a byproduct of being surrounded by idiots, maybe if you stop restraining or trying to control him it will stop.

See also Warning section.This medication is used to treat certain mental/mood disorders (schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorders). Clozapine is a psychiatric medication (anti-psychotic type) that works by helping to restore the balance of certain natural substances (neurotransmitters) in the brain.Clozapine decreases hallucinationsand helps prevent suicide in people who are likely to try to harm themselves. It helps you to think more clearly and positively about yourself, feel less nervous, and take part in everyday life.
 
Sometimes patients know better than doctors about their symptoms,
Radical thinking.
Generally accepted to review ones family medical history
 
1ForAll said:
I agree with the thesis of the op's points. A big part of this society, as free as it is in many ways, still often wants traditional conformity for issues that needs more creative and independent thinking. Followers can often be rewarded or glamorized more than leaders and deep thinkers. For these persons, also sometimes it's scary to accept new ideas, to think outside of the box, when all they need to do is to do as taught or told.

Don't get me wrong, I am a believer that some order and rules are needed obviously or else anarchy will occur. But, by creating too rigid of rules and protocols, and when a society wants to tell others how they should think and feel for some important things, and when many of these persons are not objective to others' views, this often harms and leaves out those who fall through the cracks, and who cannot tolerate that, follow that, or see any benefit in that because of their unique situation.

Often persons still can be seen as a statistic too and categorized by age, gender, identity, education level, social and marital status, condition, race, and we are sometimes trained often to not want to think for ourselves or decide what is best there, to challenge archaic or unfair laws and to come up with new ideas. Alternative medicine, for instance is laughed at by most traditional medical providers. It's as if they don't want to consider other approaches as it means either more work for them, showing past mistakes made, or taking more risks. Often these people cannot admit when they are wrong or don't want to expand their minds or consider fresh approaches..

Personally, I am more into holistic stuff than many traditional things stuffed down patients' or others' throat and when I see tons of negligence, categorizing, lack of thoroughness and harms coming from those practices, policies and procedures or from persons/entities who cannot think differently.. Part of the reason I am into holistic health, for example, is because I think in general they will want to tailor things to the individual, and as they seem to focus more on the positives than the negatives. Traditional medical persons and educators and media seems to want to focus more on things that I see as catered to what they think is best for the masses, their system, etc., and without willing to deviate much or at all from typical traditional ways, often with much deception, negativity and one- sidedness occurring there.
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"Trained not to want to think for ourselves" is true. Sometimes thinking for yourself or enjoying yourself is considered "selfish" from an outsider point of view, and I recently learned the general consesus of "people will judge you instantly based on what you're wearing, your professionalism, and your body language in your job. Even if you're happy with yourself, you still have to fit into the role." Makes sense but while I was being told that I felt a sense of existential pressure cause I have been myself a lot lately ,:D Wow. Overall your comment makes a lot of sense and is a very mature view, I appreciate that <3
 
Rodafina said:
I can’t help but wonder if many of the societal issues raised in this thread boil down to the world being simply too large and too busy right now. It really seems like humans were meant to exist in small tribes where there were collective efforts to meet the needs of the group and of the children. I can’t help but wonder how much pathology in the human mind and body is simply from living in a world where there are too many people with societies that are too large, disconnected, and focused on more than just surviving.

A small tribe, forced to focus on food, shelter, clothing, and protection from predators is likely a better state for the human mind than what we have now with modern society.
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I agree honestly. Being outside and enjoying the outdoors or listening to natural music is a great way to live more naturally <3
 
georgiagalaxy said:
"Trained not to want to think for ourselves" is true. Sometimes thinking for yourself or enjoying yourself is considered "selfish" from an outsider point of view, and I recently learned the general consesus of "people will judge you instantly based on what you're wearing, your professionalism, and your body language in your job. Even if you're happy with yourself, you still have to fit into the role." Makes sense but while I was being told that I felt a sense of existential pressure cause I have been myself a lot lately ,:D Wow. Overall your comment makes a lot of sense and is a very mature view, I appreciate that <3
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And dress should include signs that you are not just woman but pressure to wear makeup like a Barbie. It is insufficient to be conservative in a woman's dress
 
Rodafina said:
I can’t help but wonder if many of the societal issues raised in this thread boil down to the world being simply too large and too busy right now. It really seems like humans were meant to exist in small tribes where there were collective efforts to meet the needs of the group and of the children. I can’t help but wonder how much pathology in the human mind and body is simply from living in a world where there are too many people with societies that are too large, disconnected, and focused on more than just surviving.

A small tribe, forced to focus on food, shelter, clothing, and protection from predators is likely a better state for the human mind than what we have now with modern society.
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If you watch the show, 1923, they touched on this. It goes into the rule of 500. There's research, theories, etc. that came from it. Interesting, at least.
 
georgiagalaxy said:
What do you mean by this? :eek: Btw, I've never actually worn makeup before :D:D
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When you were younger did you ever go to a disco?
I tried going out few times, and decided not for me!
I think it's good you don't wear makeup. It's a form of masking, trying to be a princess and in my case failing horribly by lacking certain cues
 
Kayla55 said:
When you were younger did you ever go to a disco?
I tried going out few times, and decided not for me!
I think it's good you don't wear makeup. It's a form of masking, trying to be a princess and in my case failing horribly by lacking certain
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Yes! When I was a kid, I'm nearly 18 now so it wasn't too long ago. I was an awkward dancer who only moved slightly from side to side, now I dance in all kinds of crazy, unique and awkward ways openly ^^ I even met two older ladies who enjoyed dancing with me at a caravan park that is meant for elderly people lol
Heh, yeah. I would so fail at that too :P Luckily I don't need makeup because I'm already beautiful <3<3
 
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