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Question about outdated use of diagnosing Autism Spectrum Disorder, such as Pervasive Developmental Disorders, for example.

Oz67 said:
Why do some people in the autistic community say that diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome or other Pervasive Developmental Disorders are not used anymore? Some countries and even in some places in USA can still use the old DSM version or old version or ICD. So why?
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Some countries use the ICD so its Aspergers syndrome or Kanners autism (asd 3) and don't accept the american version not all countries worship america
 
Oz67 said:
It's like if he is treating your Autism Spectrum Disorder as if it was a personality disorder, even though it's not a personality disorder.
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Disagree, he said there was too much variability with autism spectrum to label it as ASD1, ASD2, or ASD3. It is like saying all autistic people are essentially the same. PDD-NOS and Asperger's both have some unique characteristics that need to be recognized and not lumped together with everyone else. I only saw him for the diagnosis
 
Shamar said:
Disagree, he said there was too much variability with autism spectrum to label it as ASD1, ASD2, or ASD3. It is like saying all autistic people are essentially the same. PDD-NOS and Asperger's both have some unique characteristics that need to be recognized and not lumped together with everyone else. I only saw him for the diagnosis
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Now I understand what you mean, I was wrong, I am sorry 😔
 
Shamar said:
Disagree, he said there was too much variability with autism spectrum to label it as ASD1, ASD2, or ASD3. It is like saying all autistic people are essentially the same. PDD-NOS and Asperger's both have some unique characteristics that need to be recognized and not lumped together with everyone else. I only saw him for the diagnosis
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Your doctor is kind of wrong, ASD Level 1 is different than ASD Level 2 and ASD Level 2 is different than ASD level 3. And just because the symptoms of levels of levels of ASD comes from the same the same disorder, that doesn't mean that autistic traits in different levels of support are the same exact symptoms and not all the therapy or social skills training are the same for everyone with ASD, and some people with ASD can take medication for reduced harmful repetitive behaviors to themselves or something others in rare situations.
 
Oz67 said:
Now I understand what you mean, I was wrong, I am sorry 😔
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You're not completely incorrect, again it's each diagnostician.
In the uk nhs (socialist healthcare system )gps gave out antibiotics like sweets, now you are barely ever prescribed them, then again! if you are celine dion singer, your gp(md) might prescribe you anything! manufactured at any dose, it's down to the individual, in the 1960s everybody was kanners or aspergers which in the uk was very rarely diagnosed in the 60s, jump ahead to the 2000s very common place to be diagnosed,which is very strange(lower percentage of diagnoses in the 60s) with the reputation for english eccentricity(really autism)
 
Streetwise said:
You're not completely incorrect, again it's each diagnostician.
In the uk nhs (socialist healthcare system )gps gave out antibiotics like sweets, now you are barely ever prescribed them, then again! if you are celine dion singer, your gp(md) might prescribe you anything! manufactured at any dose, it's down to the individual, in the 1960s everybody was kanners or aspergers which in the uk was very rarely diagnosed in the 60s, jump ahead to the 2000s very common place to be diagnosed,which is very strange(lower percentage of diagnoses in the 60s) with the reputation for english eccentricity(really autism)
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That's very informative ;)
 
Oz67 said:
Your doctor is kind of wrong, ASD Level 1 is different than ASD Level 2 and ASD Level 2 is different than ASD level 3. And just because the symptoms of levels of levels of ASD comes from the same the same disorder, that doesn't mean that autistic traits in different levels of support are the same exact symptoms and not all the therapy or social skills training are the same for everyone with ASD, and some people with ASD can take medication for reduced harmful repetitive behaviors to themselves or something others in rare situations.
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That is pretty much exactly what I said. It is the DSM5 that lumps them all together except for support levels.
 
Shamar said:
That is pretty much exactly what I said. It is the DSM5 that lumps them all together except for support levels.
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The treatment for ASD with different levels of support are not the same either.

For example, people with ASD level 1 as adults can choose not to do therapy or be in special education anymore, you don't even have to do accomodations either, unless you really need them. You don't even have to do therapy. Although with an ASD diagnosis, you can be eligible for those services, but you don't have to use those services with ASD Level 1. You might not need those services with mild ASD at all and live in your own.

People with ASD Level 2 might need more help and might need some form of special education, therapy and special education, but only partly and you might learn basic life skills to live on your own someday. People with ASD Level 2 don't need services that with ASD level 3 needs, but with an ASD diagnosis, you can be eligible for those services, that doesn't mean you will need those services.

People with ASD Level 3 might need intense care from parents, guardians or providers, might need intensive therapy, special education, people with ASD might not be that independent as all other ASD Level of supports.
 
Streetwise said:
You're not completely incorrect, again it's each diagnostician.
In the uk nhs (socialist healthcare system )gps gave out antibiotics like sweets, now you are barely ever prescribed them, then again! if you are celine dion singer, your gp(md) might prescribe you anything! manufactured at any dose, it's down to the individual, in the 1960s everybody was kanners or aspergers which in the uk was very rarely diagnosed in the 60s, jump ahead to the 2000s very common place to be diagnosed,which is very strange(lower percentage of diagnoses in the 60s) with the reputation for english eccentricity(really autism)
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Are you saying English eccentricity is really, actually just autism? That sounds incorrect, to say the least.

English eccentricity is a cultural behaviour, not a neurological/developmental disorder.
 
In regards to the the newer 'ASD' umbrella term versus the the older 'Asperger's Syndrome' term, I think for certain people, at least as far as accessing services go - the newer system is an improvement.

Even if Asperger's Syndrome might seem better to identify as, in terms of social credit, some people with Asperger's Syndrome might need help with daily living, not due to a lack of intelligence, but due to executive function or other cognitive issues or co-morbid issues such as mood disorders.

Under the old system, people with Asperger's Syndrome were medically defined as being 'more capable' which isn't always necessarily the case.

A mute person with no social skills might be better at cooking or keeping themselves clean, than someone who has a high IQ, who has adequate social skills/language ability and who has multiple degrees, for example.
 
blitzkrieg said:
A mute person with no social skills might be better at cooking or keeping themselves clean, than someone who has a high IQ, who has adequate social skills/language ability and who has multiple degrees, for example.
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As a mute person with no social skills, I can confirm that I can make a sandwich and remember to take a shower.
 
The DSM-V and the ICD-11 are existing protocols. As to individuals whether qualified medical professionals or not, it remains a reality that some of them choose to "freelance" their diagnostic process reqarding autism.

However if they can do as such, I don't think it would be surprising that some of us can choose to have opinions along the same lines.
 
Oz67 said:
That makes sense.
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Yes, but the ugliness of it all IMO is that all too often it reflects the same thing.

That the professional medical community does not fully understand autism. Leaving us at times in a kind of "no-man's land".
 
Judge said:
Yes, but the ugliness of it all IMO is that all too often it reflects the same thing.

That the professional medical community does not fully understand autism. Leaving us at times in a kind of "no-man's land".
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I agree :)
 
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