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scrambled brains with a harsh dose of reality

Damn, dude. I wish I knew what to say or do that could help you. I guess all I've got is that if indeed you just need someone to rant to feel free to PM me any time. Only you can help you, but I get that ranting it out helps.

I hope I'm not sounding like a ranting loon... Not what I ever want.
This is how I sort stuff out, not that I will get an answer (even though I KNOW what I need to do but cant, at least not yet)...

I may seem like a scared coward, but I try to be honest with myself in all I do. I just lay it out there and try to find some piece that fits with another piece in hopes of just a little REAL PEACE.

I hate that in that I expose a character trait that is not really good in my wife and most of my family. It doesn't make me feel good to sit here and bash them behind their backs... It makes me feel awful BUT I am also trying to understand my weird ass self and their quirks as well.

We are who we are and for some reason I can mostly accept that... Its when we are NOT ALLOWED to be who we are... Thats when my heart and head derail into a pit of no longer understanding.

I dont want to trash people... I want to understand them and sometimes I have a very tough time in doing that and I get in lots of messes in that process.

This helps more than the 300.00 visit to the Counselor... who just analyses every word I say instead of listening to what I say... Its pretty sad when you can basically dissect the guy who thinks he is dissecting you. On here there is no worries with that psycho-babble. I can just be me... Hurting, laughing, or crying. That always helps and no one has to see the mess I might turn into... : )
 
. She can DESTROY ME and she has reminded me often. BECAUSE she knows what will hurt me most.

By doing what?

She can cause you pain. Yes. But pain only goes up to 20.
You're already at 20.
She can humiliate you amongst people who are losers and already dont like you.

You're already being potrayed falsely.

What I found ,with narcissists, they have plenty of people who seem to agree with them - but they're scared to go against them.
The narcissist doesnt hear how disliked they are,generally.

One way of looking at it is this : do it for your son.

Sometimes doing good things for people is bad, if it prolongs a bad situation.

Anyway get those vows renewed :)
Play the opposite game!
 
By doing what?

She can cause you pain. Yes. But pain only goes up to 20.
You're already at 20.
She can humiliate you amongst people who are losers and already dont like you.

You're already being potrayed falsely.

What I found ,with narcissists, they have plenty of people who seem to agree with them - but they're scared to go against them.
The narcissist doesnt hear how disliked they are,generally.

One way of looking at it is this : do it for your son.

Sometimes doing good things for people is bad, if it prolongs a bad situation.

Anyway get those vows renewed :)
Play the opposite game!

Funny picture in my head (renewing vows)...
We get all these people together to renew our vows and as the Pastor asks me, "Chance do you once more take this lady to be your wife?" I look up, never say a word, and just run... I jump in the Jeep and leave...

That would actually be funny TO ME... But there would be no looking back or coming back...
 
Just what would it take for you to walk away and take care of yourself?
Her to love me enough to let me go... then that would be true freedom.

A freedom I would grant her in a split second and never have a harsh thought in it. Sadly it seems??? Her unhappiness is what she thrives on and its not anything that I can grasp. I try and picture what would make her TRULY happy (long term) and I don't know if there is anything in this reality that would do that... So CONTROL is her next best fix.

I'm not seeking out sympathy. I'm stuck like Chuck and I already know that... I'm trying to understand how she thinks and what has caused her to expose this "monster." I get it she says its me, but its everything. She loves to get new stuff but hates it soon after, or gets very upset that everything in LIFE needs to be maintained and cared for if it is to last.

If I could reverse this process that has made her so mean... I might find the lady that I still truly love. The sad part is when my life fell all to pieces and people were trying to figure out what was wrong with me... When she heard I have ASD... I could feel the hate in her. She told me she felt deceived and cheated... I might as well been caught sleeping with someone. Something switched in her right then and its never been right since. Now she fears my son has it... The "curse" as she calls it.

When all that lifts the curse is to love someone for who they are and not what we demand they become for them. What's so hard about that? Thats why its so hard for me to give up... Its not like there is this impossible equation laid before us... Its nothing like that at all.

Some people are givers and some are takers... I seem to have won the lottery in being a very loyal giver and won the lottery again by marrying a taker that wants everything including control of my very soul.

If she could find real LOVE within her... I feel it would crush her, and that makes me very sad for her.


"When all that lifts the curse is to love someone for who they are and not what we demand they become for them." This is so complicated. This means you need to love her as a demanding, mean horror. I can't see that happening to anyone! Do we love Hitler for what he was meant to be? He died unloved for a reason.

To me, it's loving people at a distance, where it's safe. I love my Aspie Friends because they are far away. If you all were here, you would all (or most of you) confuse me. I would confuse you.

Yes, you are in a bind because you are attached. It is harsh reality . But it will not be forever. You May have a staggered time, in and out and in and out for years. You may be brave and cut it off, the heck with the consequences on you both.

That is what I have always had to do. I have to cut it off , but in my case, no one wants me back. They move on.

NTs move on, my friend. You may think she will die wihout you, but a harsh wake up is when, several years later you find an NT friend for whom you still ACHE and they don't even remember you or they are with someone else.

They may have fond memories. They may want to have sex with you. But you have deep profound feelings for them, yet they have shallow and predictable ones and they are doing fine.

You are as emotionally attached as she. Only in a different way.
 
"When all that lifts the curse is to love someone for who they are and not what we demand they become for them." This is so complicated. This means you need to love her as a demanding, mean horror. I can't see that happening to anyone! Do we love Hitler for what he was meant to be? He died unloved for a reason.

To me, it's loving people at a distance, where it's safe. I love my Aspie Friends because they are far away. If you all were here, you would all (or most of you) confuse me. I would confuse you.

Yes, you are in a bind because you are attached. It is harsh reality . But it will not be forever. You May have a staggered time, in and out and in and out for years. You may be brave and cut it off, the heck with the consequences on you both.

That is what I have always had to do. I have to cut it off , but in my case, no one wants me back. They move on.

NTs move on, my friend. You may think she will die wihout you, but a harsh wake up is when, several years later you find an NT friend for whom you still ACHE and they don't even remember you or they are with someone else.

They may have fond memories. They may want to have sex with you. But you have deep profound feelings for them, yet they have shallow and predictable ones and they are doing fine.

You are as emotionally attached as she. Only in a different way.

You are right and I thank you for being honest.
I'm very stuck and I cant imagine how an NT can just walk away and forget people but they can it seems, where as I seem dedicated to honor the friendship (romance) until they do walk away, because my loyalty to my promise to them has me stuck. If she wanted free of me that would be great AND on top of that it would seem she would want to find REAL HAPPINESS in someone who is more suitable for her needs.

I'm just a provider of a nice home, nice cars, food, and all bills paid... I know thats all I am and in that none of what I provide is enough... Because someone always has something newer or better. Thats when I see how bad I am being used and I notice how nothing we have means anything because MORE is never enough.

I have separated all my personal banking and credit cards because of the horrible misuse of funds that was taking place. I also keep my distance and we are often not even in the same house anymore. I stay at my grandparents old house, while everyone trashes the nice house...

I would never do that to anyone...ever. I respect how hard people work for what they have. Example: It was very windy here yesterday and I went into town to the store and my door got away from me and banged into the car next to me. It did nothing to my door but it put a dent in the car beside me. I sat there and waited till this little old lady came out and I told her what I had done, and that I would pay to have it fixed... She looked at it and said, "Baby, If thats the worst dent this car is gonna get then I would have you fix it, but sadly I will do more than that, because I suck as a driver..." And she smiled and said, "Don't worry over that little dent, because I wont." It was a freaking new black Cadillac and I put a dent in the front passenger door. I was sick.

That is real life to me... We are obligated to do whats right and so many wont. If my wife had of been with me she would have demanded we leave, but I couldn't, and I wouldn't. If people respected each other to that degree, then we would ALL live very different lives...

In there somewhere, I am not truly living in this reality, but its what I long for, and hope for. Its also what seems to get me in these type messes. I look for something that is more rare white Rhino's when it should be the very essence of LIFE. I look for people who truly care about LIFE only to find they really only care about what they can take from others.

I'm attached to my honor... its all I have and even then others try and take it from me.
 
You are right and I thank you for being honest.
I'm very stuck and I cant imagine how an NT can just walk away and forget people but they can it seems, where as I seem dedicated to honor the friendship (romance) until they do walk away, because my loyalty to my promise to them has me stuck. If she wanted free of me that would be great AND on top of that it would seem she would want to find REAL HAPPINESS in someone who is more suitable for her needs.

I'm just a provider of a nice home, nice cars, food, and all bills paid... I know thats all I am and in that none of what I provide is enough... Because someone always has something newer or better. Thats when I see how bad I am being used and I notice how nothing we have means anything because MORE is never enough.

I have separated all my personal banking and credit cards because of the horrible misuse of funds that was taking place. I also keep my distance and we are often not even in the same house anymore. I stay at my grandparents old house, while everyone trashes the nice house...

I would never do that to anyone...ever. I respect how hard people work for what they have. Example: It was very windy here yesterday and I went into town to the store and my door got away from me and banged into the car next to me. It did nothing to my door but it put a dent in the car beside me. I sat there and waited till this little old lady came out and I told her what I had done, and that I would pay to have it fixed... She looked at it and said, "Baby, If thats the worst dent this car is gonna get then I would have you fix it, but sadly I will do more than that, because I suck as a driver..." And she smiled and said, "Don't worry over that little dent, because I wont." It was a freaking new black Cadillac and I put a dent in the front passenger door. I was sick.

That is real life to me... We are obligated to do whats right and so many wont. If my wife had of been with me she would have demanded we leave, but I couldn't, and I wouldn't. If people respected each other to that degree, then we would ALL live very different lives...

In there somewhere, I am not truly living in this reality, but its what I long for, and hope for. Its also what seems to get me in these type messes. I look for something that is more rare white Rhino's when it should be the very essence of LIFE. I look for people who truly care about LIFE only to find they really only care about what they can take from others.

I'm attached to my honor... its all I have and even then others try and take it from me.
Wow, Chance! Many people say they are attached to honour, but when push comes to shove, they bale. You really are.

YOu are a good men. Truly good people in this world dget stomped. They say if you do the right thing, good things come. I have been doing the right thing for decades. And in return, I got hammered. Abused in every way you can imagine, and then some. And I forgave . Lied to . ANd I forgave. Left to rot. And I survived and pressed on.....

Till now.

Now I woke up.

I am sick now with a neuro disease and it's like this could be it and say to myself, What was all the for?

WOudl I change anything? No........Well, I would be more isolated. I would stay away from people. I now speak when spoken to and smile and be kind, but nothing more.

But would I be more furtive? Mroe sneaky? More defensive? No.

I don't regret who I was or am, but I regret that I was goaded into interactions that have left me in this state.

But stay honourable. I will, too.:-)
 
No not abusing... maybe in some ways she is, but using me to the point I don't know which way is up.
I put it out there just to help get it off of me... It helps A LOT... I also try and see it as the truth of what it is and I sort of want to throw up, but also feel obligated because its all I know and I made a promise that I would care for her... I'm so loyal its stomach turning. Thats basically my big issue. If I make a promise I never break it.

A) it is abusive, manipulative, and controlling

B) marriage vows are also a contract

C) SHE broke it

It doesn't exist anymore.
 

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