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Tried pot once, want to do it all the time now.

Starflowerpower87

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It has almost been a year since I smoked pot at a low dose. So I decided to do it again. This time I smoked three joints all at once with a low amount of thc in them. They were mostly cbd. At first the pot helped. It made me calm and happy. Since my pills make me depressed I thought this was a good thing. The next day however I felt a strong urge to buy more. I didn't however, and I suffered really bad anxiety the next day. I'm visiting my parents right now but I probably should have stayed home because I feel anxious again today. I feel like taking ativan but the side effects really scare me and I'm already on a pill that makes me drowsy so I don't know if I could take it. I drink a lot of coffee a day so that probably doesn't help. I wish there was something I could take other than more pot. At least I go in for my depo injection tomorrow so that's something. But yeah I thought pot wasn't supposed to be addictive. It sure feels like it to me. If I did it more I bet my schizophrenia would get worse. It makes me antisocial. I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. It makes me happy and creative. But causes anxiety if I don't do it all the time. Without it I'm depressed.
 
Different people react in different ways but in general marijuana will increase social anxiety if you have any. It is also notorious for having adverse affects in people prone to schizophrenia.
 
I'm sorry to hear that, but if you're prone to schizophrenia then weed is possibly the worst drug you could try. Ask your doctor about it, they'll tell you the same.
One of the problems is you dont know if you are prone to schizophrenia (until it gets you).
I have family who developed schizophrenia around the time they were smoking marijuana
 
What could I do to make myself less depressed with schizophrenia? I've tried exercise. That sort of helps. But before I smoked the pot I was buying too much clothes. The pot made me stop doing that.
 
You're in a tough situation - I know you've shared that the prescribed meds you've been given have been really difficult for you and it makes sense that pot is somewhat attractive to you. As others have mentioned though, it is an extremely risky road to take when also diagnosed with schizophrenia.

The research body into this is growing, but the use of marijuana to treat schizophrenia symptoms is not typically recommended at this time. It would definitely be something to discuss with your psychiatrist.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that schizophrenia and psychosis walk hand in hand alongside with cannabis use. Cannabis has many strains with different ratios of components. The ratio of THC and CBD is the most important psychotomimetic property of any cannabis strain. When a healthy person uses cannabis, he experiences relaxation, euphoria, and a decrease in anxiety and boredom. However, they might also have some undesirable effects like paranoia, grandiosity, agitation, hallucination, cognitive impairment, disorganized thinking and behavior, and depersonalization. People predisposed to the development of psychotic illness are more vulnerable to the psychotomimetic effects of cannabis, more specifically, THC.

The Association Between Cannabis Use and Schizophrenia: Causative or Curative? A Systematic Review



What could I do to make myself less depressed with schizophrenia? I've tried exercise. That sort of helps. But before I smoked the pot I was buying too much clothes. The pot made me stop doing that.
I think you could benefit from looking at what addicts in recovery have to do. I am not calling you an addict by any stretch. But I am one. My point is that addicts often use substances for a good reason - self medication - but when we quit, we lose that "treatment" method. We must learn how to cope with our anxiety and our feelings without dulling, changing, or avoiding them with substances.

Things that help with anxiety:

- Therapy (I know you are not really into this idea and feel that you've given it a chance, but sometimes it takes a few tries and it really might help one day).

- Deep breathing - this has a physiological effect on the body and our ability to process information.

- Learning about and practicing how to stay in the moment (sometimes call mindfulness) - this is learning how to refrain from persevering on real or imagined worries about the past and the future.

- Staying active with healthy hobbies or work

- Speaking to others who have been able to manage their schizophrenia (support group)

- Finding a purpose to your life beyond illness - volunteering comes to mind. Maybe just 1 hour a week - something that makes you feel meaningful.

- Spend time with animals.

- Spend time outside, especially around green trees and foliage.
 
I doubt I smoked enough THC to make my schizophrenia worse. It didn't make me high. Just calm and happy. I didn't get paranoid. I didn't sleep good that night though. I don't smoke my CBD pot very often. Yeah it just gave me anxiety the next day and made me crave more pot.
 
It has almost been a year since I smoked pot at a low dose. So I decided to do it again. This time I smoked three joints all at once with a low amount of thc in them. They were mostly cbd. At first the pot helped. It made me calm and happy. Since my pills make me depressed I thought this was a good thing. The next day however I felt a strong urge to buy more. I didn't however, and I suffered really bad anxiety the next day. I'm visiting my parents right now but I probably should have stayed home because I feel anxious again today. I feel like taking ativan but the side effects really scare me and I'm already on a pill that makes me drowsy so I don't know if I could take it. I drink a lot of coffee a day so that probably doesn't help. I wish there was something I could take other than more pot. At least I go in for my depo injection tomorrow so that's something. But yeah I thought pot wasn't supposed to be addictive. It sure feels like it to me. If I did it more I bet my schizophrenia would get worse. It makes me antisocial. I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. It makes me happy and creative. But causes anxiety if I don't do it all the time. Without it I'm depressed.
That's because pot is easy, and life is hard. And that is true of many other people I knew who smoked a lot of pot. As soon as some of them got a life, the pot smoking greatly diminished. Others? They never stopped because they never found anything that filled their lives.

However... THC has been known to make schizophrenia worse and people with schizophrenia tendencies are known to be at high risk of abusing pot. I suggest stopping your consumption because it could make things much worse.
 
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My understanding is that just like with some other drugs, like alcohol for example, some people are more genetically predisposed to becoming addicted to pot than others. There's been an unfortunate fallacy for decades that "pot isn't addictive in any way". That's not true. It's definitely a psychologically addictive substance for many people who use it regularly. I would go as far as saying that it can also be mildly to moderately physically addictive as well. People can definitely "jones" (intense craving to the point of mental and physical distress) from not having it regularly. Muscle cramps or discomfort, increased skin itchiness, mild nausea, anxiety are things I've experienced.

I recently purchased a strain I've never had before from a legal dispensary in the state I live in where it's also 100% legal. I will likely not be using any more of this strain because the overall effects of it have been surprisingly negative for me compared to my prior experience with cannabis. This strain gave me lots of anxiety which is naturally the opposite of my goal and oddly, made it more difficult for me to sleep than any other cannabis has.
 
This is really disappointing to me because I was hoping someone would have something good to say about pot and schizophrenia.

Lots of arguments over what constitutes addiction and what constitutes habituation. For someone in your position, I'm afraid the simple matter is that it doesn't matter really, using it will be far more likely to make things ultimately worse than better or the same.

The fact it feels ok when you take it has no bearing on any ill effects it may have on you. It's also not like turning a switch - it may take time, and if you find it particularly hard to resist this is even more likely to cause you harm.
If that sucks, well I can appreciate that, having my own addictions to keep down. Take heed of that powerful pull, because it may be that's alerted you to the danger, you resisted it with conscious effort, must have been a reason for that - i.e. you knew it wasn't going to be a good idea.

I know I'd have scoffed at anyone telling me about the dangers of addiction and habituation (never mind the psychosis risks for some), now all that tells me is how immature I was then. Too ignorant, too arrogant, and too desperate. You're more aware than I was, don't ignore your own experiences, you seem to have a good understanding, just a desperation for something to bring relief?

Something that chimed with me was that you'd gone for a year without any, and yet just a very small amount had you struggling not to go back to continuous use. This, from my experience sounds very like an addictive trait. The brain learns to modify it's own chemistry to adapt to foreign substances that interact, in this case, psychoactive drugs. At first, it takes much longer for the adverse effects to become apparent. The longer you've used it though, the quicker it adapts to having that substance present again, and the addiction kicks in faster, eventually much faster. For me now, maybe three days and I'd be at very high risk of being back where I started, up the sewer without a paddle. And each time the kickback is harder. The only lesson in the end is it's poison to be avoided for that person. Lovely poison, and there's the danger, but nonetheless ...
 
What could I do to make myself less depressed with schizophrenia? I've tried exercise. That sort of helps. But before I smoked the pot I was buying too much clothes. The pot made me stop doing that.
Exercise, mindfulness meditation, hobbies like adult coloring, playing bass, art projects all help me deal with anxiety/stress. I also smoke but I don't get anxiety from it or any adverse affects. I also only get a very mild response from even the strong stuff. Alcohol is my kryptonite, I've struggled on and off that for years. Now I try to look at any and every option to deal with anxiety/stress that doesn't involve medication legal or non legal. Now that being said, I'm not opposed to medication when needed, just not one to instantly jump in that direction.
 
Perhaps CBD could help but THC is gonna be antagonistic for someone in your situation with schizophrenia. I have 2 sons with schizophrenia and they both had to swear off pot because it really does make the intrusive thoughts and psychosis worse. CBD, however, is considered an antipsychotic and my older son with the schizophrenia is actually prescribed it, by his Dr.

He is doing really well now, off the antipsychotic medication, I am, actually, staying with him, he took me in a bit over 2 weeks and his place is my sanctuary, at the moment.

I got him on to a legal herb called Mulungu, which has helped, and he is doing very well. He is doing a lot of "inner work" on himself, spiritual practises of mindfulness, and dislodging the egoic fear-based thinking that is so rampant, in our cuture.

He has a dog now, who has been great for him, he gardens a lot, is learning life coaching, doing "shadow work" and starting to get involved with mental health peer work, like me. He doesn't drink, he is on the carnivore diet, lives in a beautifully peaceful country home surrounded by nature, gets plenty of sleep and is, really, an absolute legend.

He is 34. He smoked a lot of weed from young (his Dad is pot obsessed) and ended up in hospital at around 30, very, very unwell, terrified from the things "his voices" were saying to him. He still has the odd intrusive thought, but, they no longer have any purchase with him.

I, myself, have been through psychosis, and was able to be of benefit to my son, as I cured myself without antipsychotic medication. It is a long hard journey, but involves healing by commiting to a path of truth, love and personal enlightenment.

Myself? I'm very creative and shamanic, in my approach. I practise making music, art, dance, writing, peer support, crafts with my hands, herbal medicine helps (it's important to find the right herbal supports), journalling, spending time in nature, having strong boundaries with negative people, connecting with my spiritual supports who love me unconditionally, prayer, meditation, facing my fears and being kind to myself and other's.
I gave up pot smoking about 14 years ago. It is too powerful and inconsistant in it's effects to be a reliable aid, not to mention expensive and illegal. Not worth my bother, although, I say, it's both helped, and hindered me, in my past. It was causal in my psychotic break, along with anorexia, relational stress, lack of sleep (the Mulungu is helpful as a sleep aid and a herbal anti psychotic) and being a highly sensitive autist in a (for me) highly unkind social atmosphere.

I'm so grateful I raised such a High Vibrational Being as my son, who rescued me out of an unsafe relationship. I have had 2 long term abusive-to-me relationships due to too much childhood abuse. I can recover my life, and experience freedom on a whole new level now.

No one helped me out of my 21 year narcissistic abuse relationship, but the guy I just needed rescuing from, by my son. Both my abusers used pot heavily. My son has given up to get well. That should tell you plenty.
 
I don't claim to be an expert on anything, nor do I claim to be wise in the slightest. But I have been toking the herb ever since I was 16, so I do have this advice for you:

If you're going to do the REAL stuff, not delta, START OUT WITH THAT FIRST, and in doing so, just remember these three golden rules:

1. Try to stay in one place and maybe at home or at a friend's house.

2. NEVER have more than you need; if you feel like you're high enough, you are.

3. Check. Your. Stuff. It goes without saying.

Stay safe out there, holmes
 
I don't claim to be an expert on anything, nor do I claim to be wise in the slightest. But I have been toking the herb ever since I was 16, so I do have this advice for you:

If you're going to do the REAL stuff, not delta, START OUT WITH THAT FIRST, and in doing so, just remember these three golden rules:

1. Try to stay in one place and maybe at home or at a friend's house.

2. NEVER have more than you need; if you feel like you're high enough, you are.

3. Check. Your. Stuff. It goes without saying.

Stay safe out there, holmes
While I appreciate the sentiment, and in a general fashion you're giving out good advice, the really significant part of @Starflowerpower87 's OP (imho) is the issue of schizophrenia and cannabis. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything like that! Just that this was a pretty specific issue and not just the normal concerns with cannabis use.

When it comes to a prevalence to psychosis (such as with schizophrenia), cannabis has some very specific and well recognised risks and dangers (and this isn't especially new, well recognised medically for maybe half a century or more). It's also not easy to define in that someone may appear to be okay taking cannabis for quite a while, and in so doing it becomes normalised and not considered a problem, and yet a psychotic episode can apparently come from nowhere - in other words, they may be little warning to the user that they could be accumulating problems that may emerge as a psychosis at some point. How the experience feels to them may have little bearing on whether it's likely to cause undue harm.

Another point of note, is that the reaction of cannabis on the endocannabinoid system is highly unpredictable, and any one persons experiences may not coincide with another persons. On top of that, weed can be very variable in quality and nature, and where/how it's obtained can be important, especially in countries where it's illegal and black markets flourish more (I'm guessing this was what you meant in point #3?).

I agree with you about avoiding unnatural preparations such as those including ∆8 and ∆10 thc (just calling them 'delta' is confusing, as the primary natural thc is called delta-9 (or ∆9)), but again the local laws and availability of cannabis from reliable safe sources matters quite a bit, with unscrupulous growers/dealers adding some very dangerous synthetic cannabinoids to make mediocre weed into a very powerful drug at little cost to them. Any cannabinoid that is significantly stronger than ∆9-thc is very likely potentially much more dangerous.
In fact, I read some recent research into some of the cannabinoids present in cannabis in trace amounts that are only recently identified, and some of these have appeared to be possibly as dangerous as the synthetic one's as found in Spice and K2, but in natural cannabis they are at such low levels they don't pose a serious threat.
 
So because this is a highly nuanced question and issue. I am providing a brilliant link to support you @Starflowerpower87. This is YOUR choice. No one can make it for you, however, educating yourself with as much QUALITY information as you can partake of, will, of course, be beneficial.
So, that being said.
These guys are KNOWLEDGEABLE. I am too. In fact I have legit "channelled" information direct from the plant "essence" "Spirit" "I AM" presence, whatever you want to call it. That I can share with you, if you are interested.

 

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