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What are your thoughts on Disney's new Star Wars movies?

To be truthful the Disney Star Wars as a whole is my least favourite with Solo being the only one I truly enjoyed,but saying that I loved the prequels and I know a lot of people have hate for those movies but i have always enjoyed them and so does my husband,TLJ was disappointing and while I could go on a rant about it I will just be repeating what others have said but hopefully episode 9 is better but it’s still difficult to get excited about it and since this is the last out of the trilogy and from all the things I have heard that may be in this movie it’s going to either have a very long running time or be split into two.
 
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Mr Allen said:
Meh, The Last Jedi wasn't that bad IMO, they're just butt hurt because it's Disney.
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I doubt it. Disney also did Star Wars Rebels and that was actually good and has been well received by the Star Wars Fandom.

Personally, what I don't understand is why you're defaulting just to calling people "Disney Haters" if they didn't like The Last Jedi; they've made legitimate points about why the film was bad in their opinions and you've glossed right over them.

To put this into perspective, you've openly declared that you didn't like Black Panther and I can see your points of view on why you didn't like it (hell, even South Park mocked it recently) - I didn't think the film was that great either. However, if I had liked it more and taken offense to you saying that you didn't, how would you feel if I completely glossed over all the issues you brought up with the film and said "No, you just hate it because you're a racist"?
Heck, you've said previously that you're not a fan of most of the MCU movies or just think some of them are 'okay'. What if I'd taken offense to your criticisms of them and just said "No, you're just a DC Manbaby" or - to turn your own insult against you - "No, you're just a Disney hater".
(I don't think you are racist, just to be clear to everyone who reads this - I'm just wondering why you're pushing everyone who didn't like Episode 8 into the same box and labeling them "Disney haters").

Alternatively, say I decided to get into Football (which I'm not a fan of) and went to a Manchester United game; ending up seated next to fans who have been loyal fans of the club for years and who I hear complaining that the new manager is terrible.
If I insulted them the same way Last Jedi defenders and yourself have said by saying "well don't watch football then, or go watch another team, or just leave because the true fans don't want you here anymore as clearly you just hate the city of Manchester".
If I said those things, I would most likely get the c**p kicked out by those fans; it might not be the best thing for them to do, but you have to take into account that those loyal fans may have a point as they've seen the club at its best and want it to remain at its best.

Out of curiosity, was there anything about The Last Jedi that you didn't like or thought could have done better?
 
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Mr Allen said:
Meh, The Last Jedi wasn't that bad IMO, they're just butt hurt because it's Disney.
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No, it's not because it's from Disney, it's because the writers and directors are trying to make it politic, when they have no reason to. Also, the characters for this new trilogy are very bad, except for Han and Leila, who were in the series before, however, it seems like that they completely altered Luke, who didn't seem to give a crap about anything that was going on until he was done with being bugged about it and just gave in. Rey is a Marry Sue and Finn is pretty much useless. That one fighter pilot, Poe, didn't do much either. Snoke is just a giant reason to have another evil bad dude to kill halfway through the movie. I don't actually care about any of the rest of the characters except for the few droid characters in the movie. It's a complete departure from what the series was like in the 70s and 80s, and I don't like Disney screwing with the movie in any way. Also, that one general lady with the dyed hair? Just a typical SJW in a nutshell. Also, the decision for Disney to purchase the Star Wars franchise was awful in general. Heck, they gave the rights to the Battlefront series of games to EA, which is notorious for anti-consumerism. It's not because it's Disney, it's because of Disney's bad decisions while making the new sequels, along with those two other random sequels, which were just AS bad as the other prequel trilogy.
 
AGXStarseed said:
I doubt it. Disney also did Star Wars Rebels and that was actually good and has been well received by the Star Wars Fandom.

Personally, what I don't understand is why you're defaulting just to calling people "Disney Haters" if they didn't like The Last Jedi; they've made legitimate points about why the film was bad in their opinions and you've glossed right over them.

To put this into perspective, you've openly declared that you didn't like Black Panther and I can see your points of view on why you didn't like it (hell, even South Park mocked it recently) - I didn't think the film was that great either. However, if I had liked it more and taken offense to you saying that you didn't, how would you feel if I completely glossed over all the issues you brought up with the film and said "No, you just hate it because you're a racist"?
Heck, you've said previously that you're not a fan of most of the MCU movies or just think some of them are 'okay'. What if I'd taken offense to your criticisms of them and just said "No, you're just a DC Manbaby" or - to turn your own insult against you - "No, you're just a Disney hater".
(I don't think you are racist, just to be clear to everyone who reads this - I'm just wondering why you're pushing everyone who didn't like Episode 8 into the same box and labeling them "Disney haters").

Alternatively, say I decided to get into Football (which I'm not a fan of) and went to a Manchester United game; ending up seated next to fans who have been loyal fans of the club for years and who I hear complaining that the new manager is terrible.
If I insulted them the same way Last Jedi defenders and yourself have said by saying "well don't watch football then, or go watch another team, or just leave because the true fans don't want you here anymore as clearly you just hate the city of Manchester".
If I said those things, I would most likely get the c**p kicked out by those fans; it might not be the best thing for them to do, but you have to take into account that those loyal fans may have a point as they've seen the club at its best and want it to remain at its best.

Out of curiosity, was there anything about The Last Jedi that you didn't like or thought could have done better?
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I wasn't keen on the way Luke died at the end, although in some ways it was akin to the way Darth Vader killed Obi Wan kenobi in Episode 4, I still didn't think they needed it.

Although there are apparently rumours that he's actually NOT dead, and is coming back in the next Episode next year.
 
Mr Allen said:
Although there are apparently rumours that he's actually NOT dead, and is coming back in the next Episode next year.
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I have my little theory about that aswell, to be fair I didnt even realize in theater that he died in that scene I was already about to leave , and when my parents told me I was like omg its even worse xD

So yeah they could rewrite episode 8 with an episode 9 that still has Luke, he might have been called by the force or higher beings to do one last important thing I dont know...

Snoke death bothered me aswell, because Rey and Kylo talk all the movie, and snoke says its thanks to him, but at the end they do the same thing while snoke was supposed to be dead...I dont know its weird...

We can find many many examples about the movie, to say it is bad
Joshua Aaron said:
it's because the writers and directors are trying to make it politic, when they have no reason to
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Politics in SW is a major theme, the prequel is all about the rise of a dictatorship , but I realy loved it, because it's also inspired by the antiquity and Ancient rome, its about a part of the politic that will be eternal in all ages...

Meanwhile TLJ's politics is just nose on the ground trying to use "trending" topics , realy bad decision in my opinion and it will age realy poorly.

But realy if you want to explain to someone why this movie is bad, talking about the politics part is the worst idea, start with all the prb with the plot of the movie etc, this movie doesnt stand on its feet , realy terrible.

In my opinion the first mistake was too start the movie just days after SW7 because it totally break the consistency between 7 and 8.

SW has always been realy foggy on its timeline you dont know very well what happens between 2 episodes and you have a gap, that way they have more creativity.
But placing episode 8 the day after 7 should have forced them to follow the plot of 7 more closely...thats already bad...and the first fight scene is bad with the joke that is not funny and drags on...

Personnaly I couldnt get invested in the movie at all like its not just about politic , every minute something just took me out of the movie xD

Whether it is to hate it or to praize it, using political argument is realy irrelevant, it's SW , it was never meant to be political.
 
Mr Allen said:
I wasn't keen on the way Luke died at the end, although in some ways it was akin to the way Darth Vader killed Obi Wan kenobi in Episode 4, I still didn't think they needed it.

Although there are apparently rumours that he's actually NOT dead, and is coming back in the next Episode next year.
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Agreed on Luke's "death" that it seemed meaningless; if they were going to kill him (which was always a likely outcome) then why didn't he just show up and fight Kylo and the First Order forces anyway?

Yeah, I've heard those rumours about Luke coming back - with fans on both sides arguing whether he is dead and will come back as a Force Ghost or will be alive and possibly having used the force to 'teleport' himself to another location (which, considering he became the Jedi Grand Master and one of the most powerful Jedi ever in what is now the Expanded Universe, I would be fine with). I've also heard rumours that Ewan McGregor will come back as Obi Wan, which would be interesting to see.

For Episode 9, there are a few things I would like to see:

- Explanation as to who Snoke is/was, even if he doesn't return. I think we'd like to know more about him, his connection to the Republic/Empire, how he got his powers and how he got to Kylo Ren (Ben Solo).

- An explanation as to why Luke was willing (and able) to turn Vader away from the Dark Side yet was perfectly willing to kill Ben Solo just from a vision that he would turn evil. My only ideas for this is that as Snoke was a powerful force user (arguably on par with or even surpassing Sidious) and was able to penetrate people's minds and subject them to various tortures to get to them, why not show that Snoke was essentially messing with Luke's mind and thoughts to manipulate him and essentially drive Ben Solo away - so Snoke could take him in?
This isn't too strange an idea; in the films we've see that many Jedi (even powerful and wise Jedi such as Yoda) have flaws that can be exploited by Sith. In the PS2/Wii version of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Galen Marek/Starkiller battles with the simulacrum of a long dead Sith Lady called Darth Phobos (who was notable for manipulating others with their fears). Galen himself is a powerful force wielder; born of two Jedi who escaped Order 66 before been found and brutally trained in the Dark Side for at least 15 years by Darth Vader as his 'secret apprentice'. Despite this, Phobos was still able to get inside his mind and taunt him about his fears - with Galen even screaming during their fight "Get out of my head, Witch!"

- Give an explanation as to why Rey has such great powers without any training. Even Anakin - who was literally birthed from Midichlorians (and yes, I hate that whole plot point but it's necessary to bring up) - had to train to use the force with only a few things he could do beforehand like having the 'jedi reflexes' to podrace; which no other human could apparently do.
As such, Rey needs a good backstory as to why she has such power. Was she the result of Snoke trying to recreate Darth Plagueis' experiments to create life? Is she related to the Skywalkers? Is she Obi-Wan's granddaughter? Is she a 'wound in the Force'?
(Frankly, I couldn't care less - just make sure that the reason is acceptable and that it's interesting).

- Continuing with Rey, make her go through a challenge where she is knocked down on multiple levels and broken before struggling to get back up, like what happened with Luke in Empire Strikes Back when he took on Vader and got his backside handed to him before then losing his hand and having the shock of learning that Vader was his father.
It's a common complaint that Rey just breezes through everything and is 'perfect' - which we humans are not, so having her go through a situation where she actually struggles should help 'humanize' her and make her more relatable, which in turn may help ease a lot of the 'Mary Sue' complaints regarding her character. Characters like Ellen Ripley from Alien/Aliens and Lyra from the His Dark Materials trilogy have proven in the past that a female character can retain their femininity and still become a strong and powerful character through their evolution without dis-empowering men to try and make said female characters look better, so why not apply it to Rey and see her evolve from undergoing a crippling failure and become something better?

- While I understand that this difficult to broach in regards to what has happened in real life, Leia should die in Episode 9 and maybe replace her with Mon Mothma, Lando or another character we've gotten to know from the past.

- If Captain Phasma comes back, make her actually pose a threat rather than just making her into bad comic relief by shoving her down a trash compactor or making her a useless villain by having Finn easily beat her.

- This one is minor, but in regards to Rey possibly having to construct a new lightsaber after her original lightsaber was literally pulled apart, I would love to see her wield a double bladed lightsaber - based on that she's used a single bladed lightsaber and in the past she used a staff, so why not get the best of both?

There's probably more stuff I can add, but it's getting late now and I'm up for work in the morning. Hope you like my list and whether you did or not, feel free to critique.
 
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@AGXStarseed Leia dies anyway, that would make sense because Carrie Fisher is dead, and the world and his dog would complain from the hills if they just decided to recast the Leia role.
 
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I loved Rogue One, enjoyed the Force Awakens, was disappointed by Solo, and The Last Jedi was so bad I gave up on seriously enjoying it and just had a great time in the cinema mocking it with my friends. Still, it was better than the prequels, not that that's hard at all.
 
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