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What behaviors/abilities/symptoms make a person “high functioning” or not, in your view?

Oh, no! If these distinctions are making you feel bad, just stop using them - don't take them seriously.

As I said in my previous comment, these terms are mostly just jargon, of use to people in relevant jobs, but probably quite inappropriate to the general public and to autistic people themselves. I post on threads of some people who would be considered low functioning as well as every other classification; but by most standards, I am high functioning, myself. I don't think about that much. What I think about is how little I've fulfilled my potential, spending most of my life under-employed, and being far less effective in my family life than I would wish. And people at the opposite end of the spectrum could probably say the same thing.

You and I are alike in that we both feel like we have underachieved, given our potential. And it is not for lack of trying. It's only recently that I have accepted my situation, and that is mostly due to age. Society starts deeming people useless once they are in their mid- 50s.
As you approach your mid-60s, well you are beyond useless. Except that my company can not find people with my unique skillset and abilities.

I don't like the way the ASD diagnosis assigns people to different levels which encourages discrimination and a form of class inequality among people who are diagnosed with ASD. My preference would be to not have ASD at all, but here we are. We have no choice but to deal with it.
 
I have faked my way through enough jobs to be usually decent with whatever is thrown at me. But posters here have shown me that confidence is not always present for a myriad of reasons.

Have you considered that some whom you see as simply lacking confidence have a very accurate picture of their abilities and in reality are simply not able to do all the same things you manage(/d) whether they have good self-confidence or not, and whether they ever believed they could do the things or not?

We are all different as far as abilities and contrary to popular belief, things like confidence do not make anything and everything possible for any given individual.

Hope and effort and belief in yourself are essential to success but they are not magic fairy dust that guarantees success, either.
 
@GadAbout , executive dysfunction and probably other specific (rather than global) cognitive issues can cause extreme difficulties in daily life in a person with a normal or high IQ and research shows increasingly that IQ score is not a very reliable predictor of adaptive functioning in autistic people without ID (of course you could and probably will point out that adaptive functioning scores can be affected by motivation and mental health, too - which is true but also not the whole picture of possibilities) It is not only low motivation or emotional problems that screw things up. You make way too many assumptions (typically judgemental and dismissive ones, too - the “low motivation”/“doesn’t try”/“just has a bad attitude” type assumptions) about people, on a regular basis.
 
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By the time I was diagnosed the terms "high functioning and low functioning were replaced with levels of support, 1,2 or 3.

HIgh functioning used to mean if you could speak at age three or not. A more colloquial definition turned into activities of daily living: cook, clean self and environment, work, socialize enough to get these things done, etc.

Currently the severity index refers specifically to the criterion for ASD. There is a spectrum of severity for each criteria in the diagnosis, therefore functioning is fluid and idiosyncratic....if you see one person with autism, you see one person with autism. Although I was diagnosed at Level 1, I easily have characteristics of Level 2. Some evaluators will err on the side of least severe when diagnosing if they are riding the fence between the levels. I have met people who perform their jobs with great aptitude and rise to high levels in a company, yet have severe interpersonal social deficits and are terribly lonely despite accolades at work. I found the following information helpful, I hope you do to.

Levels of autism: Symptoms and criteria

I thought this website gave a succinct and accurate explanation…The DSM-5 states that there are three levels of autism:

Level 1: Requiring support

Share on PinterestA person with level 1 autism may have difficulties in social situations.

Level 1 is the least severe autism diagnosis. People in this category have social difficulties that require some support.

They can find it difficult to initiate conversations with others and may respond inappropriately or lose interest quickly. As a result, it can be challenging for them to make friends, especially without the right support.

People with level 1 autism may also show inflexible behaviors. It can be difficult for them to cope with changing situations or contexts, such as new environments. They may need help with organization and planning.

Level 2: Requiring substantial support

People in this category need more support than those with a level 1 diagnosis. They have more severe social deficits that make holding a conversation very challenging.

Even with support, they may struggle to communicate coherently and are more likely to respond inappropriately to others. They may speak in short sentences or only discuss very specific topics.

These individuals may also have issues with nonverbal communication and might display behaviors such as facing away from the person with whom they are communicating.

People with a level 2 diagnosis may also have inflexible behaviors that can interfere with daily functioning. They typically do not cope very well with changes, which can cause them significant distress.

Level 3: Requiring very substantial support

Level 3 is the most severe autism diagnosis. People with a level 3 diagnosis have significant impairments in their verbal and nonverbal communication.

They will often avoid interactions with others, but they may interact in a limited way if they must respond to others or communicate a need.

Their behaviors are highly inflexible and repetitive. They may react strongly to changes and become highly distressed in a situation that requires them to alter their focus or task.
 
No but I see a lot of discussion where “high functioning” and “mild” get thrown around. If it doesn’t matter why is it ever mentioned in the first place?

And I have seen people who identify themselves as high functioning, including on here occasionally, actively trying to disassociate themselves from those who they identify as not high functioning (for whatever reason(s)). Which again to me shows clearly that to some people it does matter (and not just to NT people).
Is this conversation getting heated?! Oh dear...was hoping for a safe environment.
 
I HATE the functioning labels! It's like, oh, I'm "high-functioning", so I shouldn't have any problems at all because I look and act so "normal".:mad: Or If I stand up for the rights of autistic people, I'm only doing that because I'm "high functioning" and I'm not being fair to the parents of kids who are "low-functioning" or have "classic" autism, and when ask for advice about how to reply to that, people's answers just confuse me even more.:confused:
 
I HATE the functioning labels! It's like, oh, I'm "high-functioning", so I shouldn't have any problems at all because I look and act so "normal".:mad: Or If I stand up for the rights of autistic people, I'm only doing that because I'm "high functioning" and I'm not being fair to the parents of kids who are "low-functioning" or have "classic" autism, and when ask for advice about how to reply to that, people's answers just confuse me even more.:confused:
I take this to mean that these labels are unhelpful to you. Try to ignore them. They distill a broad range of traits into one crude measure. When you see someone who is not an autism professional use these terms in everyday conversation, you can either say "I find those terms mostly unhelpful," or you can just silently remind yourself that the person you are with has a shallow understanding of the autism concept.
 
I take this to mean that these labels are unhelpful to you. Try to ignore them. They distill a broad range of traits into one crude measure. When you see someone who is not an autism professional use these terms in everyday conversation, you can either say "I find those terms mostly unhelpful," or you can just silently remind yourself that the person you are with has a shallow understanding of the autism concept.


Reading through your posts on this thread @GadAbout, I believe I've adopted this approach unconsciously and as such, by dropping the 'high functioning' element, the pressure is alleviated somewhat.

When assumptions are made by others about my 'abilities', these people get short shrift :D

'Erm, whadayouknowwhatitsliketobeme …………. that response from me in a 'tone' catches people out and reminds them not to make assumptions.

Ultimately, I'm autistic. Some things I'm good at, some things I'm not so good at. Some days I'm okay at the things that usually have me stumped, other days I'm useless at what I'm usually good at.
 
And you don't?

Look, you've decided you just don't like me, and that's fine. But don't make it your personal mission to attack me on sight - because that's not fine.

I don’t attack you on sight, in addition to just disagreeing with you like I would do with anyone I have chosen to respond to certain things you have said that are not okay (in my opinion , anyways) by also stating my perception of your behavior in a direct way (which you have done yourself to others - why is it a personal attack when I do it but not when you do it?) because I am totally fed up with seeing you being mean to people based on harsh presumptive judgements.

I will just keep you on ignore from now on, problem solved.
 
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What behaviors/abilities/symptoms make a person “high functioning” or not, in your view?
If your autism was temporarily gone and all that you had left was your co-morbid conditions, would they be
  • mild/quirky, (e.g. face-blindness)
  • severe/debilitating, (e.g. infantilism) or
  • somewhere between the two (e.g. mutism, learning disabilities)?
People in the first group are said to be ASD1.
The second group describes ASD3.
The third, ASD2.

Since ASD2 & 3 require special education services, they are sometimes referred to as "short-bus" autism. Similarly, ASD1 is referred to as "long-bus" autism.
 
Is it Tuesdays?

I have trouble with Tuesdays.

I also think most days are Friday for some reason.


Joking aside, Tuesday is not my favourite day.

The Boomtown Rats song 'I don't like Mondays' in my head translates to 'I can't stand Tuesdays'

The lines from the song -

The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload


That's me on Tuesdays!

Another weird thing - one of my synesthesia thingies - days of the week are colours. Tuesday is scarlet. Red is not my colour.
 
Since ASD2 & 3 require special education services, they are sometimes referred to as "short-bus" autism. Similarly, ASD1 is referred to as "long-bus" autism.
Wow, now there's some derogatory terms! I get what they mean, but I would never use them.
 
Thanks for the earworm...
Tuesday Afternoon (The Moody Blues, 1968

Oops!

I'd rather have the Boomtown Rats to my awful (earworm) 'song of the day' - The Beautiful South, Don't Marry Her Have Me'

I loathe that band and the song!!

Looking forward to tomorrow. Another song of the day to replace today's irritating drivel :)
 

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