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‘You can’t discipline autism out of a child’: Mom and student protest suspension

We've been there. My youngest daughter periodically bit teachers and, maybe, other students.
I believe it is totally appropriate to protect the teaching staff and the student body.

The second issue is what is the effective thing to do about such a student going forward? A conventional, NT-type of bully requires one kind of intervention. A reckless ASD student will, most likely, require another.

And it varies from student to student. My daughter would likely settle down/de-escalate in a "quiet room," where another might freak out due to claustrophobia... o_O
 
I agree with you all that violence is unacceptable behavior, whether a person is autistic or not. However, I disagree with the idea that if you don't deal with unacceptable behavior from an autistic child in exactly the same way you'd deal with unacceptable behavior from a typical child that you are "giving a free pass" or allowing autism to be an excuse.

Neurodevelopmental differences can impair an autistic child's ability to control their behavior (or an autistic adult's ability to control their behavior, for that matter); Acknowledging that fact and taking it into consideration when deciding how to respond to violent behavior is not at all the same as saying it's okay for autistic people to hurt others.

If you know that an autistic 12 year old has the self-control of a 4 or 5 year old, it's unrealistic to hold them to the same expectations as you would a typically developing 12 year old. (I would argue that it's also unfair, because my idea of fairness prioritizes "equitable" treatment over "equal" treatment); They need to be given supports, expectations, and discipline that are developmentally-appropriate, not just whatever is appropriate for typically developing 12 year olds.

Or say that an autistic 12 year old has the same baseline ability to self-regulate and control their behavior as other 12 year olds, but their sensory sensitivities are extreme and they have significant language impairments. Without supports to manage their sensory sensitivities and facilitate successful communication, this 12 year old experiences a level of stress/distress that is so extreme it would make most typically developing 12 year olds lose control. Without adequate support to manage their impairments and prevent that loss of control, it's not realistic (or fair) to hold the autistic 12 year old to the same expectations as a typically developing age peer.

Again, I do agree that violence is never acceptable and that autistic children, like all children, must be taught self-control. I do agree that autistic children must be taught to take responsibility for their behavior. What I take issue with is the idea that autistic children should be and actually need to be treated exactly the same as non-autistic children if they are to learn these things.....sometimes this is true, sometimes it is not.

As for my opinion on the mother's comment.....

I'm not even sure that her comment was meant to refer only to the suspension..... For all I know, it wasn't meant to refer to the suspension at all.

A quoted statement can be moved out of its original context and put into a different context where the words still make sense but no longer mean what the speaker intended. I'm not saying this is done to intentionally misrepresent people, just that it happens...and could have happened with the mother's quoted comment in this article.

Her comment might not be about the suspension by itself, but also (or instead) about how the staff were attempting to manage the situation when her son ran to the office in a state of anxiety. Or maybe her comment refers to a pattern of lack of support from and failed behavior management strategies employed by the school over a longer period of time, on many occasions.....Maybe Ivan's mom has a valid point that is impossible to see without more information.

Aside from a description of the violent behavior towards the two staff members, there are literally no details about the interaction between this boy and the school staff leading up it -- Ivan's mother is quoted as saying, "There are obvious triggers for what happened" but there is no mention of what those triggers were. What was said to him? What was asked of him? What did he say and do, besides hitting people? Was he yelled at, was he touched, was there an attempt to physically move or restrain him? Knowing almost nothing about what actually happened makes it difficult for me to interpret and judge the comment..... especially when I don't even assume that "you can't discipline autism out of a child" was the answer to a question about whether or not the suspension itself was fair. (It might have been, but it also might have been taken totally out of context -- perhaps made into the centrepiece of the article simply because it's a controversial and provocative statement.)

It's also possible there is some kind of fundamental misunderstanding happening between the family and the school. We don't know this family's history with the school system....it may be that there is a school history overflowing with situations where people were punishing this boy for things he couldn't control and setting up unrealistic expectations for him while providing him with little/no support, and so now his mother just automatically assumes the same thing is happening again because of similarities between the present day and past situations.

I don't have an opinion about whether the suspension is appropriate or not because I don't know enough about the situation. But I don't see anything wrong with suspending a student to keep everyone safe until the school figures out a strategy to prevent/manage violent behavior.
 
I totally agree with the_tortoise. There is so much more at play here than what the article states. If this student has 2 EA's and works in an area separate from his peers, this is likely not the first time he has aggressed towards staff. He may have escalated to a point beyond "normal", and the school needs to reevaluate his safety plan.
 
Is that a reference to some current event, or just a non-sequitur?

It was more or less the basis of a landmark Supreme Court case over political satire decided in 1988. Publisher/pornographer Larry Flynt's cartoon maligning televangelist Jerry Falwell's mother. Though as for the exact graphic details of the cartoon I can't recall all the specifics.

The gist of the decision though was that satire aimed at a personality in the public domain is considered protected free speech. One of the Supreme Court's more "colorful" cases.

Flynt made his point, though it's not something I'd want to communicate to much of anyone in asserting my First Amendment rights. But that's just me...lol. :eek:

Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell
 
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I agree that he did get off light and that it was for the best that he was suspended, for both his sake and his teachers. I know controlling your emotions is hard when you are an autistic child, but that's still no excuse for hitting a teacher. I know if I ever did something like this, I would've gotten into a lot of trouble, plus I'd feel terrible about it afterwards. He probably needs to go to therapy for anger management at the very least so he isn't a danger to himself or others.
 
Personally, I'd like to know what his Tourette's comes in at, does he have tics that are violent in nature? It doesn't sound like this is the case in this situation from this article but if he does well the school shouldn't be treating like this.

If they weren't following the standard practice that helps calm this boy down then the school isn't doing its job properly.
 
I just see it as a means first and foremost to humiliate the parent- not the child. :eek:

Unless it involves further punishment by the parents, it's just giving the kids an unexpected holiday. :)

Though in my day, it was perfectly legal for a teacher or the principal to beat the crap out of a child. Which happened on occasion with many witnesses.
 
I understand where the school is coming from. That behavior is unacceptable and the kid has to learn to control his impulse or he could end up in jail. There will always be things out there that might make him anxious or angry or upset but he has to learn to control it and if he can't then he can't be in the real world if he can't be accountable. This is what my therapist told me in high school. The kid is being done a disservice and no way would my mom have allowed this and would be on the school's side and hold me accountable and want me to feel bad about it.
 
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This is interesting. I didn't know autism could make one violent. I was violent when I was younger, but instead of hurting others now I hurt myself. Or I get snarky and derisive.
 
I didn't know autism could make one violent.
In so many cases, it is a combination of immaturity and the attendant frustration at the outer world for not sticking to its script...! :mad:

As we get older (if we're paying attention), we figure out that there was no script in the first place and can become a little more tolerant of perceived deviations. :oops:
 
(Speaking just for myself) I am very adept at sussing out patterns in daily life, to the point of being autodidactic. As long as everything goes as expected, I am confident in my grasp of reality. As soon as there is a gross miscalculation, my whole world [would fall] apart. Certainly, someone else was to blame...! :mad:

The scientific method uses the same strategy. We form a hypothesis and accept it as the working model as long as subsequent testing confirms it. Whenever it fails confirmation, we must either alter our hypothetical model or throw it out altogether. This is expected in science.
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That is a hard pill to swallow for immature Aspies.
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There seems to be more of these kinds of mothers these days that expect 100% accommodation be made for their children, yet do noting to instill coping skills or discipline. The prisons are already over crowded folks.
 

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