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A school aspies club

As i was reading I was like maybe you can help set up a model for other schools. I really wish that they had this when I was in school. Knowing that I wasn't alone would have helped my self esteem so much. I am so very proud of you, it sounds amazing.

Geordie, at the college here, there is a similar rule about having to have x number of students. For our philosphy club we had a hard time because of difficulties finding an advisor who would show up. They had a similar club the year before that failed, so none of the teachers wanted to commit to it, except one teacher who was busy coaching soccer. Anyway, we had to meet outside which while it was warm was really nice cause there was a small area with a pond and trees, and various plants, so it was very peaceful. So maybe there is a place on campus where you can have people meet.
 
Merci Soup, c'est tres gentil! Je dois dire que suis tres content d'etre encore ici. Thanks again for your hugely encouraging words. By the way, I think all information becomes useful at some point in a person's life. I'd be more than happy to tell you all about my trip, just wasn't sure how. Is a blog the best thing for that? - I'm a bit of a beginner on the internet.

Oh, and Pella, thankyou too for your support. I see that you joined after I left, so a huge welcome to you! A model for other school sounds like a very promising idea, I might ask one of the assistant principals who helped me set up the club about how to go about that.

(Another "oh") and if there are any questions you think would be good to ask them, feel free to tell me. It is rare to get seven aspies in a room together, so feel free to hop aboard the opportunity yourselves, as long-distance members.
 
This is wonderful to read about! I've always been involved in special-interest groups at school, but something like that would have been a great opportunity; I wonder how successful it would be where I went to school. I did notice people with Aspie traits and make friends with a few, but others never opened up to me--maybe they would at an Aspie club!

I considered making an AD/HD club at the university I went to for a year, but dismissed the idea: no one would remember to come, right? I met at least 3 people there who told me they had AD/HD, but it is like coming out of the closet; there ought to be a simpler way to find people who share your struggles and discuss them.

This is encouragement for me to actually try something like that when I start taking classes again. Thank you!

Could we have another update sometime, e.g. if more people join your club, or for new activities or topics?
 
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Sorry for being so lax with this, I somehow thought my last update was later than this. Now I feel really guilty and lazy.

Anyway, I have quite a lot to tell. Alexandra, a very intelligent 15-year-old music enthusiast, has been attending meetings quite frequently. She was having frequent anxiety attacks during the last few weeks of term because of her typically noisy class. She's blind, so if the sound-scape around her becomes cluttered, she really panics. She should really be sitting at the front, to giver her the best chance of hearing the teacher, but apparently she can't because she's in a wheelchair and moving a few classroom tables to let her through is too much of an inconvenience.:S

She's not an aspie, but she has lots of great ideas, one of which was for us all to do a (semi-anonymous) multimedia presentation for the rest of the school about AS. Plenty of potential there, so I hope to rally the other group members behind that.

Membership has sort of slowed down at this stage. There are plenty of Aspies at our school, but they seem to be too shy to join an established group, even one tailored for them. I've been trying to arrange one-on-one meetings with them though, to slowly get them used to the group. There are also some who are either ashamed, in denial, or incredibly defensive, so I hear, but hopefully we can work on those somehow.

One particular science and maths teacher, and photography enthusiast, has taken a special interest in the club, and is now a regular supervisor/member with lots of stories to tell about Aspie teachers he's come across. there is a touch of AS in him, we all think. He's talked about teachers who find it difficult speaking to a class directly, so they find a "third object" in the room, apart from themselves and their audience, such as a data projector or a poster, and speak to that instead. I find myself doing that too, but unconsciously, and he really does the same thing - he'll look at the floor and deliver a quiet monologue with very repetitive intonations on a topic he feels comfortable with.

I suppose that's really all I've got. If you had any suggestions for the multimedia presentation, I'd love to hear them. What do you think a group of high-school NTs should hear about AS that would give them a fuller understanding? What do you wish people at your school knew or had known about AS?

Do you think the presentation is a good idea?
 
WOW! So much that is awesome is always happening with your Aspie club. I like the idea of doing some Aspie outreach & approaching members of the tribe. It mightn't even occur to some of them that this is something that is FOR them rather than about them- or some facetious joke. Do you have some kind of a clear brochure to give them with the times, places & itinerary for each meeting clearly listed?

As for doing a presentation about AS, I think that addressing it to teachers & staff first would be a sensible approach. Few of them have received any significant education about AS & many other conditions & how it affects students in school. Since Aspies are often very smart, the teachers mistakenly think that if they just applied their intelligence, they could overcome or compensate for their social differences (that they call deficits). AS is NOT an intellectual/intelligence problem: it is a neurological processing difference & a difference in brain structure that leaves us with different priorities than most NTs. They need to learn how to adapt the classroom to accommodate the sensory overload, over-stimulation & other challenges it poses to Aspies. They need to recognize that the kid who 'fidgets' might not merely be disruptive & distracted: he may not have ADHD either: he may be an Aspie who is stimming! AS is not a behaviour problem that can be disciplined (or humiliated) away. When it comes time to make a presentation for the students, the staff may be better positioned to implement the info both groups got into school life.



 
Do you mind overseas visitors? If I am around in Queensland and you're around, Christian T, maybe I can join your meetings :)
 
Thanks so much guys. Queensland might be a bit far seeing as we're in Victoria, but oh well...

I'll talk to the group next time about making a somewhat different presentation for teachers and students, or at least giving it to them first. My psychology teacher tells me that the staff at my school would love to know more about the autistic spectrum, but that time is an issue, more so now with the union action that prevents them from doing any school-related work outside school hours, and from answering school emails on weekends, from organising most excursions and many other things. We might have to give the presentation in bits and pieces, or as something electronic that they can watch at their leisure - although that's much less interactive.

I like the idea of giving them a brochure. We are getting on to making some new posters, which would consist of a few rapid-fire questions such as "Do you find small-talk difficult" and "Do you ever wish people would say what they mean?" and "Do you appreciate complete exactness?" as well as some pictures of famous diagnosed or speculated aspies like Lincoln, Einstein, Hitchcock, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams and Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. I thought that would be eye-catching.

It would be a little hard to give an itinerary, seeing as our meetings are so loose and pretty much based on what topics of discussion or activities inspire the rest of the group, and what they feel like doing. But still, a brochure that fully explains the club would probably work better than just a verbal suggestion.
 
Didn't know you're in VIC not QLD (my bad lol). Ok, well, if I can visit you in the VIC, maybe I'll get to be there lol

A brochure would be a good start, maybe this would give a rough indication of what the club would be like :D
 
A brochure it is then!:D

Don't worry about confusing what state we live in. I'm glad you didn't think it was New South Wales. We Australians all seem to be stereotyped as living in Sydney. I'm guessing it's like the popular belief that all French people live in Paris and all English people live in London!:bounce:
 
I'm going to give the presentation very soon, actually, and have started another thread in order to get some help with it, but I'm putting it here too:

Next week, I shall be giving an informational and instructional presentation on how to help Aspies in the classroom and in the school yard. I have ten minutes, including time for questions. I've just done a draft that I know is longer than that. Plus, I'm not sure if I've made too many generalisations from my own experience, are about to drone on uselessly about unimportant things, or have left any crucial concerns out.

Think, what do you wish your teachers had known about your condition when they were teaching you, and what do you wish they would have done differently?

I've copied the first part of the draft below, and would love some feedback on it. I'm also going to run through the presentation with my family, the members of the Aspie club I started late last year, and a few teachers. I want to make this as accurate, useful, clear and coherent as possible, and I would really appreciate your help.

Word of warning: the draft is extremely long. Please read as much as you can, and give me as much feedback as you can. It would be an incredible help to me, and I would be very grateful for it.

I'll post the other part later.

Thanks in advance:

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For those of you who don’t know Asperger’s Syndrome is: a developmental disorder characterized by severely impaired social skills, repetitive behaviours, and often, a narrow set of interests, but not involving delayed development of linguistic and cognitive abilities: now considered one of the autism spectrum disorders. But it’s high functioning autism that’s less noticeable usually.

Basically, people with Asperger’s think and feel differently to Neurotypicals, or “normal” people. So now I’m going to discuss those key differences and give suggestions of ways to help students with Asperger’s when it comes to those differences.

A really important one is a difficulty with facial expressions and body language. A lot of the time they’re either completely blank on the face and showing nothing of how they’re feeling, or they’re showing something that’s completely inaccurate. We can often be very hard to read, and find it hard to read other people. Sometimes we have no clue what a person’s body language means, or we have some vague idea – like recognising that they’re sad – but we can’t deduce exactly why, and we need to know exactly why in order to know how to respond to them feeling that way.

So the way to overcome that barrier is really to communicate verbally, and very specifically. Aspies are usually completely honest and open people. They see no reason to lie, or why you shouldn’t call someone ugly if they are, or say exactly what your bowel problems are if that’s the truth. If you think they’re upset, and you ask them directly if they are, they won’t mind and they’ll tell you what’s happening, but you need to be specific. Don’t ask, “Are you okay?” because that’s so vague and they’ll find it really difficult to summarise how they’re feeling and what they’re thinking and what’s happening in their lives, so they’ll probably just say “yes” to keep you happy. It’s much better to ask something like, “from the way you were scrunching up your face you looked like you were had a problem that was really affecting you, am I right.” And if they say yes, then ask, “What exactly was bothering you?” because they won’t necessarily infer that you wanted them to elaborate on what the problem actually is. It might seem really wordy and indiscreet, but that’s actually really helpful for us to know exactly what you’re thinking so we don’t have to guess. If you’re visibly annoyed with them – they will pick up on the fact that you’re annoyed, but won’t know exactly why – just tell them that you can’t help getting impatient, but that you don’t blame them. We do appreciate this honesty, because it means we don’t have to guess at what’s going on inside your head, and whether or not it has anything to do with us. We’re also not really aware of what we’re doing with our face, so that helps.

Another thing we find really difficult is knowing what to do in a conversation. We often can’t recognise when it’s our turn, when it’s someone else’s turn, when someone’s addressing us if they don’t use our name, when someone wants us to respond, when someone’s trying to end a conversation and so on. In the classroom, what really gets frustrating is knowing whether or not it’s hands up or just an all-in. Especially if it switches during the lesson, because what that means they either talk out of turn without realising, or they have something to contribute, but they don’t know how to cut into the conversation and get it in, so they stay silent and it either goes unheard or someone else says it, even though they thought of it first. Either way, it’s really disheartening, so sticking to hands up really helps. It might also be useful to get them to write these thoughts down so that they’re not lost. Aspies are often extremely frustrated because thoughts and feelings that they can’t express, or never get the chance, pile up internally and come out eventually in very confusing and inexplicable ways. It’s a good idea to make sure that these thoughts are expressed before they drive the poor aspie mad.

In terms of outside the classroom, if they want to talk for ages, and you can’t or you’ve just had enough, feel free to tell them. Say, “I’d like to talk about something else now, because I’m getting bored,” or “I have to leave now,” – only if you really do have to leave, though, of course. Not only do they give out blunt honesty, but they can certainly take it from other people, and even expect it. They don’t understand how honesty can be seen as rude. However, it also makes them very dependable, very likely to keep their promises and often means they have a much higher worth ethic than most Neurotypical students.

We often get into these endless, repetitive conversations because have we have these particular obsessive interests that can keep us occupied for ages. For me, it’s language and literature that I’m obsessed with, which is very convenient because they’re two of the subjects I’m doing this year, but it’s usually something much more specific like penguins. Unfortunately, there’s no school subject dedicated to that, so they would satisfy that by talking endlessly about penguins to someone, not even trying to pick up on social cues of disinterest, because they’re so absorbed. So, three things you could do there:
1. Find someone else with the same interest, or a very similar one – there’s bound to be someone – and they’ll be able to connect
2. Try to tease out of them a few other interests – it’s difficult, but it is impossible, just get them to think hard about it
3. Give them a numerical limit on how much they can talk about it. So say – time yourself, you can only speak for two minutes or say ten things about penguins before you have to let the other person speak

That’s another thing, with the specificity comes a difficulty with understanding figures of speech – if you tell them to wake a couple of minutes, they’ll think to themselves “okay, two minutes” get out their watch and time you – so always be specific, say “at least two minutes” and make sure they’ve understood you’re instruction. I remember when I was in primary school we were doing a writing task that I should have been blitzing, but I just wasn’t getting the instructions. So finally the teacher asked, “weren’t you listening when I was explaining what you had to do.” So, I thought, alright, she’s asking, “Were you not listening” – like most Aspies, most of my language skills were developed through reading, not speaking, and since I mostly read classic fantasy, I had much more knowledge of old-fashioned British English than I did of the Australian vernacular – so I thought the question meant, “Is it true that you were not listening?” to which I replied “no” because that wasn’t true. I was listening, I just didn’t understand. You can see how specific you often need to be.

Also, when encouraging them to socialise, never just throw them into a babbling bunch of Neurotypical students. Having conversations with six or seven people at once is usually impossible for Aspies. Instead, find someone else who is alone and not talking to anyone, and get them to engage in a simple two-way conversation, which still requires effort, but is much less confusing and scary for them.

Aspies can also have a lot of sensory issues, so they can be very overstimulated and stifled by loud noises, strong smells, bright lights and so on. So keep this in mind as you might need to move them in the classroom to a more quiet, less bright and less smelly spot. Again, ask them directly if any of these things are bothering them. What they’ll often to do deal with discomfort, mostly anxiety, is stim. They’ll perform a repetitive action, like swaying or bobbing or clasping their hands together, that relieves the stress. They can control this, technically, but often will not be aware that they’re doing it. They don’t consciously choose to do these actions, and if they’re not paying attention to what they’re doing, they will start. Socially, they may often be teased by these habits, but everyone stims, or self-stimulates, to some degree. Everyone fidgets. So it’s good to remind other students of that.
 
Here's the second part. I thought I'd post it after I got a reply, but I thought people might have been waiting on all of it before they commented. So, here it is:

Finally, there are five subjects I wanted to talk about specifically, as there are some particular concerns about them. Firstly, Drama. There are a lot of positives for them, as some Aspies who are shy as themselves really come out when they?re playing a character, and do enjoy it. What?s difficult is doing improvised scenes with lots of dialogue, because they don?t instinctively know how conversations work in real life, and physical expression can be difficult? and vocal expression too sometimes, when it comes to things like intonation. This can?t be assumed knowledge, but they can learn it, just be prepared to explain everything to them and give them lots of hints along the way because they need it. Treat as them learning about a different culture.

Second, PE. They?re very likely to embrace non-competitive sports because of the soothing repetitive action and the fact that it?s personal and individual. Competitive sports, though, are incredibly difficult for us. Most of us have very poor motor skills and reflexes, and lots of issues with spatial awareness. As with Drama, a knowledge of game strategies and rules can?t be assumed. It?s also very challenging on a social level to know when someone is about to throw the ball to you, and when they?re expecting you to defend or attack or do something else. Sensory issues also become a part of this, so throwing an Aspie into a team sport situation is a very confronting thing. If they have sport at the end of the day, and know it will be competitive team sports, they will likely be incredibly anxious and stressed all day before it, and afterwards as well as they recover from the shock. It?s very draining on their self-esteem because it highlights both their physical and social difficulties, and further isolates them socially. So, I?d say really have them to non-competitive sport as much as you can, and when you have to expose them to team sports, do so very gently. Sit them beside you and have them watch the game from a safe distance at first to help them get a sense of how it?s played, and what they?d need to do. Have them actively watch, commentate for them, explain the decisions you make as an umpire in relation to the rules, and when they?re ready let them join in. I think that would be the best way to go about it. Also, competitive games that are played in smaller groups, like tennis, without the whole class watching you, are much better too. The best thing to impress upon them is that it is a game played for fun. By all means praise them when they do something well ? but only as much as you would any other student, don?t go overboard because they?ll sense how cheesy that is ? and when they make a mistake, rather than saying ?good try? which can come off as quite patronising, just say something like ?bad luck?. Not responding at all is the best thing. Make it as much of a non-event as possible, and impress upon them that everyone makes mistakes and commits embarrassing blunders when they?re playing team sports, so that they don?t feel as isolated.

Thirdly, maths: this is often a very popular subject with Aspies, as we tend to view the world in a very logical way, a very mathematical way. Maths is a pretty common Aspie obsession, and many aspies are highly skilled in this area. There are some who can look at a complex quartic equation, and solve it in an instant ? it?s rare, but it happens. Although, the problem there is that they can only see the answer, not the steps they took to reach it. Often the main issue with Aspies in maths is showing their working, because some steps are so incredibly obvious to them that they can?t see the need to write them down. They also might have difficulty with explaining certain processes in words, and naturally with understanding worded questions as well. It may simply be that rote learning what steps need to be recorded, and good ways to express things verbally is the best way to go. A lot of aspies have excellent rote memory, so this may be an easy solution. Although, it?s very important not to generalise. A thread on an aspie forum title ?Who hates math?? got the range of responses you?d expect to see in Neurotypical ? or ?normal? ?students.

Next, English: plenty of Aspies are also very gifted with words, and many of us love reading, as it?s a solitary activity, so comprehension skills are a likely strong point ? to an extent. Aspies can easily recall what happened in a reading passage, and why, on a superficial level, but certain symbolic messages, character motivations, figurative language, tonal messages and the social implications of some events are likely to be misunderstood. It can be frustrating for them to know when exact detail is being asked for, or whether their English teacher wants them to look at the whole picture instead. Often they?ll have no idea what quotes they?re supposed to view as significant, because when asked to look for deeper meanings, they can often find them in just about every sentence. When discussing a text is about quite hard for them to find the middle ground between explaining every single detail, and just stepping back completely and saying ?this book is about life.?

Also, the oral component of English can sometimes be difficult. A rigid, scripted and well-rehearsed speech, while still nerve-racking, is often easier for them to deliver than something that?s spontaneous, like rebuttal in a debate, where they often take a long time to come out with an explanation of their argument that satisfies them. Perhaps as a general rule, say that if in they are explaining something, in writing or speech, that is different to what has already been discussed frequently and is familiar to you as a teacher and the students in the audience, then tell the student they need to explain it fully, even if, as in maths, certain points seem painfully obvious.

Finally, in the practical division of subjects like Science, Food and Health, Textiles and Science, where demonstrations are necessary and lots of practical instructions are given at once, it is much better for an aspie to have the steps explained one by one as they perform them. This may mean that, after the demonstration to the whole class, you will have to re-explain every step individually, make sure they understand, watch them perform each step. As this is of course very time-consuming, the aspie student will need to wait between each step for you to be available again to help them, so it is a good idea to factor that in in organising the time structure of the prac. Sensory issues can also come into this, of course, because certain activities such as operating dangerous machinery in Woodwork, lighting a Bunsen burner and cooking on a stove can be really terrifying and make us feel very unsafe. It would probably be a good idea to have them rote learn the steps involved, and practice them in their heads or with other objects that they can pretend are the ones they?ll actually be using.

The last thing I?ll say that is that most of the Aspies you teach may well be undiagnosed, but if you notice a lot of these traits in them, I?d say it?s worthwhile to also use these strategies to help with them with their difficulties, and to recommend that the student?s parents look into the possibility of them having Asperger?s.
 

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