Autism, Neurodiversity, Neurodivergent terms...

[Darkkin]

Yet if people are fully recovered from schizophrenia why aren't people hearing about it? When and where were replicatable studies done? When? Yearly follow ups. Long term conclusions of said studies indicate what? Complete remission? 0% recurrence of symptoms? What about the physical loss of white matter and progressive cognitive decline? How is that responding? What is the deceleration rate per year?

Nearly 20% of the US homeless population is believed to have schizophrenia. Something that could reduce that big of a social white whale, what politician wouldn't sit up and listen? Holy grail of a platform. Mental health reform on a national level. Reduced stress on the Social Security Disabilities resources do to proven, replicable treatment.

And no one gets the same strain of flu. (I've had myocarditis three times, each time it was a different strain of streptococcus.) Arthritis is also a secondary complications that develops later in life, impacted by a prior break, but not directly causational like the deterioration of the white matter of the brain as caused by schizophrenia.

You're trying to prove a point by digging a deeper hole. Which means you miss the point entirely so what is the point of this conversation that is completely off topic. Agree to disagree with your opinion as no measurable metrics have been provided.

And there is no point banging one's head against the wall and then wondering why one's head hurts.

 

[Darkkin]

You don't hear about it because medical care and medical research in the US is dominated by pharmaceutical companies and drug company salesman (doctors) that make trillions of dollars a year treating symptoms of diseases. Recovery is bad for business so they aren't going to talk about it but you can find examples of people who recovered with a simple internet search.

Unless you are a conspiracy theorist who believes patients are lying about their recoveries, my point is if people had symptoms of schizophrenia but no longer have any symptoms of it then their symptoms couldn't have been caused by a neurodiverse brain (unless their brain became neurotypical).

You have zero metrics. No empirical data. No replicable studies.

 

[Darkkin]

You can find examples of people who recovered with a simple internet search. My point is if people had symptoms of schizophrenia but no longer have any symptoms of it then their symptoms couldn't have been caused by a neurodiverse brain (unless their brain became neurotypical).

You have zero metrics. No empirical data. No replicable studies. And guess what because of how schizophrenia affects the white matter of brain, effective treatment for it could theoretically be used to treat Alzheimer's. The overall cost effectiveness of that on the health care system as a whole would make people sit up and listen.

Deeper hole, dude. Deeper hole. The sky also isn't technically blue, our atmosphere just filters out all other colours. Hard data or nonsense...

 

[Matthias]

You have zero metrics. No empirical data. No replicable studies. And guess what because of how schizophrenia affects the white matter of brain, effective treatment for it could theoretically be used to treat Alzheimer's. The overall cost effectiveness of that on the health care system as a whole would make people sit up and listen.

So you're saying patients who testify that they recovered are liars?

You have zero metrics. No empirical data. No replicable studies that recovery doesn't happen.

 

[Magna]

It would be wise to start another thread on the subject of and debate of schizophrenia if so desired.

 

[Darkkin]

It would be wise to start another thread on the subject of and debate of schizophrenia if so desired.

Sorry. Language and how we use it matters, a lot.

 

[Crossbreed]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss autism and how it is included in the terms neurodiversity and neurodivergent and how it's unique.

My experience with neurodiversity/neurodivergence is any inherited, atypical neurology which (when unaccompanied by injury) is successfully adaptive.

I see it in ASD1 & the intellectually gifted.
I can believe it might apply to ADHD, too, but I am less sure about that.

 

[Darkkin]

ADHD is classified as a neurodevelopmental disorder affecting both biochemicals, structure functions, and development within the brain itself. And while it does respond to chemical intervention, the hardwiring divergence remains.

There is a lot of overlap with autism and ADHD, huge comorbidity rates, but there are still enough differences that it is its own species of a neurotype.

All said neurotype might be a more accurate term than neurodivergence.

If it is any kind of brain difference it is a divergence, where a neurotype has breed specific characteristics. You have hybrids or crossbreeds in comorbidities. You will have variations within the archetype, but you have archetype.

 

[Crossbreed]

I see it in ASD1 & the intellectually gifted.

Another condition occurred to me, left-handedness.

 

[Magna]

Another condition occurred to me, left-handedness.

I believe left-handedness was one of the things mentioned as some people wanting to have it be included as being "neurodiverse" in that article I linked in my OP.

 

[Atrapa Almas]

Much good info was already provided.

I want to say that I dont care much if I am called neurodivergent, neuroatypical, neuro-tic, crazy, weird, autist or strange. I prefer to be called by my name, but buddy, mister, wey will also do it.

What I do care is how I am treated. And in the eternal correct label war sometimes people forget to just be kind each other.

My 2 cents.

 

[Judge]

Neurodivergent has become a dump term for any brain difference, naunces be damned. But the devil IS in the details. Umbrella terms are dangerous and make discourse a lot tougher because people don't understand or misunderstand a term like neurodiversity.

Even on these forums we have a lot of very capable, late diagnosed ASD1s and/or Asperger's, and that is only a small percentage of the autistic community and spectrum as a whole.

Good point. In the long run such ambiguous terms probably hurt more than help in getting others to understand the specifics of ASD levels one, two and three, let alone so many other possible comorbid conditions to consider.

 

[Darkkin]

85% of diagnosed autistics are shown to have at least one comorbidity. The most common being depression at a rate of nearly 66% and ADHD at a rate of between 40 - 60%.

 

[Crossbreed]

85% of diagnosed autistics are shown to have at least one comorbidity. The most common being depression at a rate of nearly 66% and ADHD at a rate of between 40 - 60%.

Face-blindness is big, too.

 

[Darkkin]

Face-blindness is big, too.

Ditto on that. I'm horrendously bad with faces and names. It isn't a problem with fuzzy beings, but with people it is. If I have correlating context I do okay, but don't expect me to know you after just a couple interactions.

 

[Rasputin]

Perhaps I am just being an "old fart" stuck in the "dark ages" but we don't need to "celebrate" or have "awareness" days for a bunch of this stuff.

How about simply promoting positive thoughts, lifting people up, doing nice things for people for no reason at all, treating people with respect and dignity, and pausing to take in another's perspective before blurting off something stupid and ignorant out of our mouths? You know,...just being a good person.

I don't need people to be aware of my autism, let alone celebrate my "neurodiversity",...nor any other "namby-pamby" soft and childish behavior. A bit of respect and understanding is helpful, but I don't need to feel "accepted" or any special attention given to me.

I think we get so wrapped up in trying to make people feel accepted and good about themselves, we resort to these rather shallow and useless promotions. People who have certain conditions,...physical and/or mental do not need anyone's "thoughts and prayers", they just need some respect and sometimes some real help when they specifically ask for it.

I think autism awareness or acceptance days are for non-autistic and non- neurodivergent people to make them feel better about themselves.

 

[Darkkin]

I think autism awareness or acceptance days are for non-autistic and non- neurodivergent people to make them feel better about themselves.

Basically.

 

[Luca]

Obviously, mental illness shouldn't be "celebrated," but it should not be demonized either. There are lots of people who are terrified to even get help or talk to a therapist out of fear of being hated and stigmatized.

 

[Darkkin]

Mental illness isn't a weakness. It is as its name states, an illness. It is a term that should be as neutral, but because it implies a weakness or flaw that interferes with 'normal' it is taboo. Just as cancer and tuberculosis were nearly a century ago.

 

[Luca]

Mental illness isn't a weakness. It is as its name states, an illness. It is a term that should be as neutral, but because it implies a weakness or flaw that interferes with 'normal' it is taboo. Just as cancer and tuberculosis were nearly a century ago.

Yes, exactly. It's a shame that I (and many others) have been made to feel like it's something that can't or shouldn't be talked about