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Cannabis Usage (Any similar experiences?)

Did you have similar experiences?

  • Yes

  • No, it didn't do much for me

  • No, it made things worse

  • I have never tried it


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14 days????
Come to the UK for truly relaxed drugs laws - how about up to 5 years and/or an unlimited fine for possession of cannabis? Yup, a toke on a spliff can get similar penalties as for rioting, or worse!

Yup, the Brits certainly know what's dangerous to society and what's not. Hell, you can get less than 5 years for killing someone if it's done in the approved fashion (motor vehicles are often the best for manslaughter without a long sentence).

The funniest part is the Brits started a war with the Chinese because they didn't like us turning a large chunk of their population into opium addicts, all for the glory of the empire! (well, to finance it anyway).
Us Brits have always been the finest and greatest hypocrites in the whole world, as well as the biggest and best drug dealer! Well, until Purdue got their teeth into the game!
 
And vapes.
Vapes are getting pretty good nowadays. Not those dodgy oil cartridge things, but proper dry herb vapes.

Edibles I don't like especially, not the same thing, the terpenoids go through a different metabolic process through the gut, not just the timing, intensity and duration that's different, the actual chemistry differs too.
 
I have tried cannabis at various times, but I have normally tried it when I am already having a struggle with my
mental health, so examining my mental health at the time of smoking would suggest that the cannabis might be to blame, whereas it probably isn't the culprit, but rather a side effect in terms of the usage of it during times of personal stress.

I remember it made me laugh a lot, to the point where I could barely breathe because of laughter when I did a weed vape and also it gave me insomnia.

Apart from that it didn't seem to have any great effect, psychologically.

Perhaps it made me a little more paranoid than usual.
 
Having a cooler at a bar is the extent of my substance abuse or usage. Now realize chocolate coolers effect my stomach not the alcohol.
 
As for your poll...

When I was in my early 20s I would smoke pot on occasional weekends. It was fun, and it was interesting. I always found it to be a very sexy experience. But I wasn't in any way habituated to it, and being stoned was not a state I wanted to live in. Then, I joined the military and eventually got a classified job in aerospace, and consumption was no longer an acceptable option.

Now that I'm an old fart, it isn't nearly as pleasant, though if I'm with people who want to light up, I'm still willing as long as transportation isn't an issue. I won't drive high.
 
I have tried cannabis at various times, but I have normally tried it when I am already having a struggle with my
mental health, so examining my mental health at the time of smoking would suggest that the cannabis might be to blame, whereas it probably isn't the culprit, but rather a side effect in terms of the usage of it during times of personal stress.

I remember it made me laugh a lot, to the point where I could barely breathe because of laughter when I did a weed vape and also it gave me insomnia.

Apart from that it didn't seem to have any great effect, psychologically.

Perhaps it made me a little more paranoid than usual.
It's odd stuff, and a huge range of variation in how some strains affect some people at different times. For many some of the more sativa leaning strains will make your head buzz with thoughts like crazy, not the sort of thing to be trying to sleep on, while in general the more indica leaning one's tend toward being soporific.

It can certainly exacerbate some problems just as easily as help others, and can bring on it's own issues with habituation, even in rare cases it can potentiate a latent psychosis that may otherwise never have happened.
I always try to treat everything as having a risk/danger factor; we take in a huge range of very questionable substances without understanding their impact, often unaware they exist, in our air, water and food. Humans have used and misused psychoactive substances for a very long time, but taking them blindly isn't so likely to be more beneficial than not.
Some people have gained relief from depression, or anxiety, or chronic pain, etc. but many won't get any help from it. The most astonishing proven cases I've heard of are the worst cases of epilepsy, where cannabis has been the only medication to reduce hundred's of daily fits to only a few, giving those kids a chance at a life when nothing else has helped.

I'd never overtly encourage using drugs, but just by posting about them I risk implicitly doing so, which is a little questionable. While cannabis is far from some sort of safe soma for all, it's also remarkably safe compared to most pharmaceuticals and legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco. But seeing as those two alone are damaging and unsafe in any amount, calling cannabis remarkably safe can also be misleading.

Having a cooler at a bar is the extent of my substance abuse or usage. Now realize chocolate coolers effect my stomach not the alcohol.
The alcohol has an adverse effect on almost every organ in your body. The level of risk in the odd drink is pretty damn low, maybe more risk crossing roads, and does have some benefits. But there's no question that alcohol is simply toxic. But so are lots of other things, my big bug bear isn't people poisoning themselves, it's when others are actively working to supress that information needed to make informed decisions. Even the food industry has adopted the same tactics as the tobacco industry (even employing many ex-big tobacco execs now) to promote UPF's as safe and healthy. The drinks industry of course have been doing likewise for much longer.
Oh dear, I'm ranting again, sorry! (though I mean every word)
 
And vapes.
Vapes are getting pretty good nowadays. Not those dodgy oil cartridge things, but proper dry herb vapes.
The doctor talked me in to buying a dry herb vape. I didn't buy one from him but I did buy one. It's really good but it uses a lot more weed than smoking a pipe. I also found myself vaping more and more and found myself being affected by it less and less.

I switched back to the pipe for the most part but the vape is good on cold frosty winter mornings, I'm prone to bronchitis.

Edibles I don't like especially, not the same thing, the terpenoids go through a different metabolic process through the gut, not just the timing, intensity and duration that's different, the actual chemistry differs too.
I've never bought edibles but when I was younger and used to grow my own weed I'd smoke all the buds and make butter out of the leaves. I used the butter in a simple vanilla biscuit recipe. It's a very different effect to smoking weed. Cookies were great for a round of 18 holes of golf.

When I was in my early 20s I would smoke pot on occasional weekends. It was fun, and it was interesting. I always found it to be a very sexy experience. But I wasn't in any way habituated to it, and being stoned was not a state I wanted to live in.
I'm a decade younger than you. When I was 16 video games came around, every fish and chip shop had a game or two to play, then a cafe opened around the corner from me where half the tables were video game consoles as well as doing seriously good coffee. I spent a lot of time and money in there and smoking dope made the games a lot more exciting for me. Even today I associate weed with video games and I still do the exact same thing but at home.

I have tried cannabis at various times, but I have normally tried it when I am already having a struggle with my
mental health, so examining my mental health at the time of smoking would suggest that the cannabis might be to blame, whereas it probably isn't the culprit, but rather a side effect in terms of the usage of it during times of personal stress.
A difficult lesson to learn in life but good advice - save the recreational drugs for when you feel like being recreational. Trying to use recreational drugs to prop your emotions up always has the opposite effect.

The alcohol has an adverse effect on almost every organ in your body.
Alcohol has it's therapeutic uses too and in small amounts can be very beneficial for some problems. It's a vascular dilator so it's good for people with circulatory problems, and it's also used to stave off premature births.

It's also a very important tool for people suffering severe dehydration, once beyond a certain point the body will resist the reuptake of fluids but alcohol reduces the viscosity of water and makes it easier for the body to absorb. That's a common problem in Australia and the best option is to drink beer instead of water if you want to stay hydrated.
 
Alcohol's a funny old one. I've got a big downer on it because I don't like how it's pushed. The hypocrisy and the refusal to admit the harm it can do. Things like the old tale that a glass of red wine is good for you is totally untrue yet very prevalent.

But...
You are quite right, it has benefits too, and it's (as always with everything) a matter of judging risk and benefit.
A toxin that relaxes you may cause secondary benefits to the body that can outweigh the negatives.
I didn't know about the re-uptake thing though, although that's also balanced by it's dehydrating effect - i.e. it can also cause the body to lose water too.

It's also different from many drugs in that it doesn't operate on receptors like most other drugs do, but rather it's essentially (to put it in a brutal light) a solvent.

I think too many people doesn't appreciate that although legal and socially accepted, it's not safe. But then many food stuffs are turning out to be unsafe too, mirroring tobacco from decades ago when researchers were trying to prove the links with ill health while the 'baccy guys pushed it and fought them tooth and nail with every dirty trick they could think of. Since just about anything can be bad for us in the wrong circumstance, how do we stay on the right side of it without being properly educated? Thank our governments acquiescence to the alcohol industry.
No health warning here guys!

Of course, it has to be remembered that I don't get much pleasure from alcohol, so putting it down is real easy for hypocritical me! 😊

I suppose I just hate how some humans can knowingly hurt others for profit as a business model, while others enable it or turn a blind eye. I mean, how the ruddy 'ell can tobacco still be such a huge business? If any drug could be said to have no benefits beyond relieving the symptoms of addiction to nicotine, while being among the most harmful, tobacco has to be it - one of the legal one's.
 
The doctor talked me in to buying a dry herb vape. I didn't buy one from him but I did buy one. It's really good but it uses a lot more weed than smoking a pipe. I also found myself vaping more and more and found myself being affected by it less and less.
I've switched in part to vapes but still find the draw of smoking terribly hard to resist (and have copd so shouldn't smoke at all). I've tried a few different types of vape over the last few years, and found it hard to get one that satisfied me anywhere near as well as smoking. You don't say what type you got, but you should be using more like half as much flower than with smoking (for one thing combustion degrades about half of the terpinoids (including the cannabinoids)).

I found the portable electric one's, even including one of the most powerful one's, still couldn't extract the weed as well as I needed it to, and (for me in particular) was too hard to draw on, not an adequate air flow.

It wasn't until I started trying the much newer ball-vapes, which use a heat capacitor that is externally heated by butane or an induction heater that I found a match to what I wanted (or as near as). Some of these beasts will extract almost every shred of volatile oil from the plant matter, with one or two draws on maybe a quarter gram. They can be configured for high or low airflow, can do mouth to lung or direct to lung, 'micro' dose or maxi dose, one hit wonders or slow sippers - very flexible.
The downside is they aren't the cheapest by far (though will likely come down in price gradually), and with no try before you buy on the whole, it can be expensive finding what the one you like best. Also, harder to use outdoors, needing an external heat source, and you do need to be a little careful of it, as it's easy hot enough to give a nasty burn if touched in the wrong place.

Also, the temp you run at affects the effects, lower temps give more flavoured taste/smell and a more buzzy effect, higher temps a more soporific one.

But even the other vapes should be far more economical than it sounds like yours is. It may well be you're not extracting as much as you should, and the remaining vaped bud is still partly active (some people make edibles with it)? Here again the airflow (and temp) can have a fair impact. Maybe try loading it very loosely with less so you can draw through it much easier? Also, the draw speed can effect the heating of the flower and thus how well it's extracted. But it all depends on the type of vape you have as to how it behaves.

This is one of my two portables (and I have a mains powered desktop one for more serious sessions).

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You heat the left hand 'head'. It unscrews to expose the bowl which is simply filled with shredded flower.
The stem is a complex cooler inside with about 6 major different settings, that works amazingly well (usually most people use glass bubblers/bongs instead to cool it down). But it costs about £210 for the cheapest version, although in terms of value, the quality, engineering and design are top notch. It'll outlast me!

Use it like a joint, or hammer the hell out of it with a single draw full extraction (and a hit to match). But there are so many other types out there, it's hard to know which is best for any one person. Also, getting used to not having the toxins as part of the effect took some getting used to, especially (I think) the carbon monoxide.

After near a life time smoking hash and tobacco together, it's not been easy to minimise that (never mind cut it right out), so as I'm not particularly consumeristic normally, it's been painful spending so much on devices that ultimately didn't do what I was after, but most of them have been good products, just not suiting what I wanted/needed, and in the end the result was worth the effort and cost (i.e. extending my life at least a bit).
 
I found the portable electric one's, even including one of the most powerful one's, still couldn't extract the weed as well as I needed it to, and (for me in particular) was too hard to draw on, not an adequate air flow.
My problem is probably that I bought the cheapest vape that I could find, just to try it out. I'd never used any kind of vape before but I've smoked a pipe for more than 40 years. A little brass dope pipe, not a big tobacco pipe. The vape was good at first but either my tolerance went up and up, or as you suggest maybe the performance of my cheap vape went down and down.

....or hammer the hell out of it with a single draw full extraction (and a hit to match).
That's more my style. :)

....and found it hard to get one that satisfied me anywhere near as well as smoking.
I also noticed this, the feeling of smoke filling my lungs is much more satisfying. I feel like I've had a smoke.

After near a life time smoking hash and tobacco together....
That's something we never did in Adelaide - mix tobacco with our smoke. It's done in the eastern states but was culturally frowned upon here. Interestingly, none of the people I grew up with ever suffered any addiction to weed, we could take it or leave it, and I think the lack of tobacco plays a big role in that.
 
My problem is probably that I bought the cheapest vape that I could find, just to try it out.
Yeah, I did exactly the same thing when I first tried a vape maybe 5 years back - choose a cheap knock off of a Storz & Bickle Crafty, and it was pretty rubbish to be honest and at the time I thought the whole idea was pretty useless.

Last year after conversations with others, I realised that although there are some much better cheap one's nowadays, in general the old adage of getting what you pay for seemed very much the order of the day. I found that below £150 most of them won't fit the bill. The best one's I've bought have been about £200 to £300.

But that's also down to my specific needs. For the most powerful thing around (desktop mains powered, that's easy to master and yet about the most powerful beast on the market (and good value) is the Screwball from Vapvana at around £300 (ukp). Although you can make something similar much cheaper, the dangers of a loose gauze letting dozens of scorching hot little ceramic balls drop into your lap is best avoided by getting proper kit unless very handy at that sort of thing. The screwball thinks nothing of extracting 0.2g (which is more like 0.4g in a bong) in one or two draws, and yet remarkably smooth and easy on the chest considering, and the effect is more like a little trip with it's massive hit (think hot knives but easier and smoother), but also is happy to do smaller amounts and slower multiple draws.

The one I showed above is the Tempest. Mine's a pre-production model, but they've just gone productive and on sale now at MadHeaters, starting at £210 for a wooden stemmed one, going up to £250 for an all-titanium one (I preferred the wood and it acts as a good insulator - these things are HOT! This is pretty much top of the market for it's type and although it only holds roughly 0.1g max, it's more flexible in how it can be used than the Screwball. Also, you need accessories really, a debowler ideally, a decapper to remove and cool the hot cap to empty and refill the bowl, and grinder (pref fairly fine grade) and most of all, a heater. That can be a butane torch (best are the kitchen brulee types, but a pocket torch lighter works), or much better an induction heater like the Ispire Wand, but that's another £100 on top!

These new types of vapes are called ball-vapes because they use a container of ceramic (or other material) balls that act as heat capacitors with a higher capacity than any battery powered electric heater can manage. These are the most powerful types around but lack the convenience of the electric one's, especially outdoors.

As a starting point for a new vaper though, not knowing the game and what kind will work best for them, I'd recommend something like one of the Arizer vapes like the Air SE at only $125 (US) to find somewhere to start from that should work well without breaking the bank. My first last year on re-joining the game was an Arizer Go which was a brilliant bit of kit and only $150 list price, but I wanted something that heated up faster (the Go takes about a minute to get to temp), and more, had a bigger capacity.
 
Interestingly, none of the people I grew up with ever suffered any addiction to weed, we could take it or leave it, and I think the lack of tobacco plays a big role in that.
That I can well believe! Nicotine is a really sneaky addictive substance. Works more on the subconscious than the conscious mind. In some ways I think it can be harder to kick than addictions with more physical withdrawals, and associating it with a powerful drug like cannabis can't be helping one little bit! But this was the culture back in the day in the UK. Hash was by far the most available form, most of us were tobacco smokers anyway, and smoking spliffs was a very social thing to do (in fact, that's still a big issue, harder to resist when with friends than alone - not the peer pressure, but more just the familiarity of the shared ritual).
 
It's legal in Africa due to tribal customs while herding. I enjoyed the walk offered in the mountain, it was peaceful and relaxed. Being in nature helps cure the stress.
 
A little brass dope pipe
Not one of these by any chance?
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Proto Pipe - Had it about 35 years or more, but it was already pretty old when I was given it (I love brass, don't use it but just like it as an object! 🙂).
 
Not one of these by any chance?
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Proto Pipe - Had it about 35 years or more, but it was already pretty old when I was given it (I love brass, don't use it but just like it as an object! 🙂).
Nothing so fancy I'm afraid. Pipes are very common here and very cheaply made, most likely not made locally though. I never looked in to it but they probably come from Indonesia.

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The smoking of joints or spliffs died out here in the end of the 70s, the introduction of anti-marijuana laws massively increased the street price and it didn't take long for people to notice that rolling a joint used about 4 times as much weed as smoking a pipe or a bong.

For the past 20 years this is also how I've smoked tobacco. Once again it only uses about a quarter of the amount of tobacco to give me the same hit. People look at me funny when they see me doing it but I never cared too much about what other people think.
 
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For a desktop/non-portable dry flower vape, I have one that's made by a company in the state of Colorado and they make them to order and ship worldwide. Therefore, they make them with a cord and plug that works in whatever country a person is in. It's called the "Silver Surfer Vape" and it's a work of art in its own right. The customer designs it on their website including picking the colors of the components of the unit, etc.

Another neat feature is that you can buy an additional add-on for not much more that turns the vape into an essential oil diffuser. Dual purpose.
 
Hash was by far the most available form, most of us were tobacco smokers anyway, and smoking spliffs was a very social thing to do (in fact, that's still a big issue, harder to resist when with friends than alone - not the peer pressure, but more just the familiarity of the shared ritual).
Weed was always fairly cheap and readily available in Adelaide, we live in the perfect climate for growing our own but what also makes a huge difference is the attitudes of police. Because laws weren't very strictly enforced here prices remained relatively low, where as in states where they aggressively prosecuted anyone they caught prices went through the roof and that's when organised crime started getting in on the act.

In 1988 the Police Commissioner of Victoria gave a press conference where he bragged that he'd done such a good job that "marijuana is worth more than gold in Victoria.". The very next day he was assassinated in his driveway when he got home from work. It was an incredibly professional job with no witnesses and no evidence of any kind recovered. We always suspected that he was taken out by his own people because his comments made Victoria look very attractive to organised crime.

(I always found it interesting that the shooter waited until the first second that the commissioner was off duty, so no worker's compo payout)

Today in Adelaide the street price for weed is Au$200/oz, it's a lot more expensive than that in the eastern states.
 
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Nothing so fancy I'm afraid. Pipes are very common here and very cheaply made, most likely not made locally though. I never looked in to it but they probably come from Indonesia.

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It's still quite attractive, cheapy or not. Out of curiosity I googled Proto Pipe, and they are still going, even still make the same design as mine as bottom of the line. They were always one of the 'desired items' among my group and era, very much exemplifying hippy toker culture, though not many had one (mine was found in the university union bar, and on no-one reporting it missing, it was given to me by the bar manager (who knew me well enough to know it'd be appreciated). Currently £90 ukp, so not quite the most economical.
The smoking of joints or spliffs died out here in the end of the 70s, the introduction of anti-marijuana laws massively increased the street price and it didn't take long for people to notice that rolling a joint used about 4 times as much weed as smoking a pipe or a bong.
I think with hash smoking it's a bit different, and ignoring the health issues, smoking it in tobacco works very well. To be honest I never really enjoyed smoking hash alone in a pipe. Very harsh sometimes, and not as sociable (with respect to English drop-out culture), but decent weed was hard to come by, and the rest barely worth the effort, and definitely not worth the price.
For the past 20 years this is also how I've smoked tobacco. Once again it only uses about a quarter of the amount of tobacco to give me the same hit. People look at me funny when they see me doing it but I never cared too much about what other people think.
That sounds like some cultures (Japanese for one?) who traditionally used very small bowl pipes, and would only smoke a little ball of tobacco at a time.
 
For a desktop/non-portable dry flower vape, I have one that's made by a company in the state of Colorado and they make them to order and ship worldwide. Therefore, they make them with a cord and plug that works in whatever country a person is in. It's called the "Silver Surfer Vape" and it's a work of art in its own right. The customer designs it on their website including picking the colors of the components of the unit, etc.

Another neat feature is that you can buy an additional add-on for not much more that turns the vape into an essential oil diffuser. Dual purpose.
I've heard of these, and a pretty good rep they have too. They now have a ball-vape type update, using ruby balls as heat capacitors to increase the power. Not a bad price either for what it is.

I've found ball vapes in general are excellent at vaping concentrates too, even hash works very well if prepared right.
Battery powered vapes can often do this too, but I found they lack the power needed to really go to town on extracts and hash, so though it works, it takes a lot of draws to get most of it, and often some left over. With the ballers the power is so much higher, it really does a much better job at vapourising almost all of it very quickly.

I found using 'vaping cotton' (usually rayon, but specially prepared to be clean of any impurities and suitable for vaping - don't use any old rayon!!!!) works well, either as a thin bed for the bowl to sprinkle finely crumbled hash on, or for concentrates, taking a small scoop of some with a spatula, then sandwiching it with some rayon and wiping it off the end of the spatula, so the wax is in the middle of a ball of rayon, and then popping it in the bowl and just using like flower (but heating a bit hotter if possible) works very well, and stops the vape bowl getting messed up too.
 
You can indeed get full spectrum CBD products in the Uk, though they tend to be higher cost.
One of the best if you're happy vaping is to try CBD Hemp. It's fully legal to buy, possess and use in the UK.
There's a number of perfectly kosher retailers online (I use GetHemp but there are others). The flower products are essentially little different to full-spec cannabis except the THC is replaced by CBD (THC must be <0.2% to be legal, about 100th of the strength of strong flowers). Cost are lower than cannabis, between maybe £5 to £10 a gram roughly. CBD levels about 20% to 30%.

Personally I'd not bother with a prescription in the UK, but then I couldn't afford it anyway. NHS prescribing was made essentially legal but impossible for doctors to prescribe safely (safely for themselves as well as for patients).
So the only route is private prescription, and as may be expected in this day and age, much of that has become a business in essence (profit oriented).

On a separate (and more contentious) note, I've also spoken with a couple of people who have worked in dispensaries for the UK medical cannabis market, and have described some worrying concerns about the quality of the weed (especially in terms of consistency, but even reports of finding mould in some!!!), plus in most cases it's pot (pun not intended!) luck as to the strain you get, and worse that may vary from month to month. Since the matching of strain to symptom to person is complex and hard to predict (trial and error usually helps most people find the strain(s) that provide relief).

On my own side, I lucked into finding the best black market online medical cannabis supplier in the UK (not dealers, but a non profit collective!). They have top quality products (maybe 30+ strains at any time), a focus on clean and safe cannabis, maintain excellent prices with about the best safety and security you'll come across (they've been going under same name for near a decade now - testament to their exceptional management of the business and security).

But it's still illegal, and while risks are low (far far better than scoring on the street), it's still a crime and can impact someone's life if prosecuted. A proper prescription does at least provide safety on that side.

In the UK it's every month (via the private system), I think this is to boost profits as much as anything (the appointments are rather expensive!).
But to be fair, while autism may not change so much, cannabis use and reaction to it most certainly can change, even over long periods of time, and remember, it's not completely safe (just like every other drug you can mention).
Thanks! This is interesting. I will certainly check out your suggestions. I want to avoid THC, I don't want to get high I just want to find ways of controlling anxiety and pain levels if it's at all possible. Case in point, I've been feeling quite unwell the last month or so. Lots of pain, super low energy and worse than usual anxiety.

I probably burnt myself out a bit as I was doing much more demanding things for a while that were basically exhausting me and eventually I just ground to a halt.

CBD "marketing" always suggests that it can help mitigate lots of things I have difficulty with, but I can't seem to find any that works longer term. A few years back I first tried CBD and it actually seemed to quickly help with my back and neck pain. But the effects seemed to diminish so rapidly, I chalked it up to the placebo effect. I've always wondered about that though as I don't tend to be very prone to the "power of suggestion" as a rule.

CBD tends to be so expensive though and I don't have the money to experiment with different brands or types. When I've asked questions about CBD online I'm often told "Oh you need to get a good quality 'full spectrum' CBD...", "Most retail CBD isn't 'full spectrum'..."

I certainly don't want to buy anything illegal or narcotic lol!
 

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