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Do you believe in God?

Do you believe in a supreme being?

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Ste11aeres said:
Yes and no. Research in science sometimes requires disproving prior scientific theories, or coming up with your own, and possibly disproving your own, also.

That being said, science deals with the physical material world, and spirits, God, etc, are not part of the physical material world. They are not part of the subject matter of science. Just like the meaning of Crime and Punishment is not part of the subject matter of science (an imperfect analogy, yes. But it's late at night and I'm too tired to think of a better one). Investigation into the existence of God is philosophy, by definition. (Yes, a scientist can think about it. But he will at that point be a scientist who is doing philosopy. And, yes, philosophy can be influenced by scientific findings). Now, certain religions might make specific claims that can be investigated by science. So some religious things can be investigated by science (was this physical event really a miracle?), others cannot.
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I agree with you Ste11aeres ,however I think God, Angels, and even Miracles, are still part of the (real world). Not understanding how a thing was done doesn't make it magical in nature. According to to my rough calculations todays physicists understanding of the material universe is based on 1/2 of 1/6 of the material states in the universe, and a they got a good chunk of that 1/2 of 1/6 wrong. So no we don't really have much of a grasp on all the sciences that God has at his finger tips to do all these things. So what God does may look magical...but I firmly say Nothing Heaven does is Magical...NOTHING! Turn the page in the Bible after reading the creation story and you will see the seeds out side Eden needed water to grow. This means the Angels planted everything on earth...and the Angels pretty much do everthing God commands that is their job.

I think the real magic in heaven is that they take the time to fight for our souls, and help us...we are like dirty little bugs next to their Holy Empire, and they could make more of us to replace us any time they wanted. The fact they take the time to try to save some of us at all is the real miracle. Do any of you realize just how much heaven is going to suffer when we arrive there, it's going to be like a bus dumped a screaming hoard of bickering children into a your quiet pleasant Library....Angels are going to shudder and wipe their brows with handkerchiefs.

Your mental picture of God and Heaven can change what you choose to believe....are peoples mental pictures of God and Heaven correct??????
 
I notice this veering slightly into the area of "debate," so I'm just jumping in to remind everyone of our rules regarding religion. :)
 
Shiznown said:
I am a pantheist. I believe that "God" is really just energy/consciousness that makes up everything. That the universe itself is essentially "God". String theory intrigues me. The concept of these "strings" that essentially make up everything. Do you see where I'm going with this? If "God" is omnipresent and these "strings" make up everything, then these "strings" are in essence "God".
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An interesting article on String Theory.
http://m.space.com/31200-dark-matte...=10153171741846466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465
 
Maelstrom said:
Wyverary Sigh! my stuff is works of art...there is no one in the history of mankind who has been more able to open the doors of heaven for people to really see it. I would write more lovely stuff on things no one has seen before if I didn't take so many hits.
I'm sorry you don't like my writing!
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It's not my intention to shut anyone down, and my post wasn't directed at you, or anyone. Things have been civil so far and I want to make sure it stays that way, as there have been threads like this in the past that have gone awry.
 
As a Gnostic Christian I believe that God is the universe and that a relationship with God is a relationship with your inner connection to the universe.. I believe all the things Christ did we can do.. I don't however believe in Sky Daddy...

A good way to explain is the hem, "You are Child of the Universe" I believe because I had some understanding of the hem in school is the reason I am Gnostic now. even in Literal reading it is hinted at that God is the universe with verses tying God's breath to every living thing.. When you disrespect the universe you disrespect God. The two commandments Jesus gives are the sum of the whole Old Testament law. Jesus is simply telling you to respect God. Jesus is the Son of God due to he found his father the universe and we can all find the universe and be the Son of God...

I hope that explains it...
 
camerartus said:
Yes, but He often annoys me. I'm mad at God right now but, I'll probably cave in like I usually do.
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Just remember God is suffering too, the reason Lucifer makes all of us suffer so much is it is the only way to make God hurt. But this also is proof God really does care for us, and Lucifer if you read Job is doing everything he can to get in the way of God helping us. People forget earth is the stage on which God and Lucifer are being judged...and the audience is not earth it is the Holy Empire with it's billions upon billions of souls...if God fails the whole Empire will fall into civil war and Horrors will happen like nothing earth has seen. Planets will have huge holes knocked in them and twist and bleed ribbons of red lava like huge wounded beasts. Earth as no concept yet on how terrible planetary warfare is, even a nuclear Holocaust would look tame next to it.
 
(Don't judge me on paragraph 1, that's just personal belief, please read everything or nothing at all)

I personally don't believe in god or anything spiritual. I don't see any proof to it, for as far as I believe I'm just a biological machine shaped by evolution to be the best as possible at surviving and procreating.

Aside from all that, no matter what anyone believes, the most important thing is to live like a good human being. I don't believe anything written in the bible is real BUT that doesn't mean that the ideals they portray are anything less significant. To me things like the 10 commandments (I think that was the English word for it) are just common sense living rules that make the world a better place for everybody. There are a whole lot of good values in it that more people should have in daily life.

Added value to that, if it turns out I was wrong and some god exists, I can still argue the case that I lived as a proper human being, and that is what matters most to me. No offense to any religious people with any of this. Religion and spirituality can be a really good thing for society but people treating it as an unchangeable lawbook are ruining the name of what is essentially a way to make people better human beings. But that's a whole other discussion.

In short: I don't believe in god but religion still has some really good aspects to it.
 
Maelstrom said:
okay :) I didn't anyone thinking I had attacked him...I did like your post by the way :)
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Was t quoting anyone but just to make sure people read my entire post. The first paragraph that came after the "read everything" bit could very easily be mistaken as an attack or argument against religion. This forum tends to be different but in the past I have had issues with people reading the first couple sentences, reply mad and not even read the rest. Wanted to try and avoid that.

And thanks for liking it ;)
 
RidingDutchman said:
Was t quoting anyone but just to make sure people read my entire post. The first paragraph that came after the "read everything" bit could very easily be mistaken as an attack or argument against religion. This forum tends to be different but in the past I have had issues with people reading the first couple sentences, reply mad and not even read the rest. Wanted to try and avoid that.

And thanks for liking it ;)
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Your sentiments are nice...I personally think Gods laws are actually natural laws of nature, and benefits and penalties are natural and self enforcing. But it took years of thought for me to come to that conclusion, so I don't expect everyone else to see my point instantly.
Life is a journey somethings just take time, the important thing is to be among those moving towards the light making the world a little better.:cool: Being nice is Cool :snowflake::snowman:
 
Depends on how you would define god. I think it's entirely reasonable to believe there is some kind of life force or underlying consciousness behind the universe. If a person doesn't, no big deal. But to claim that same entity would demand that an entire subset or people be sadistically murdered (and laugh as they are executed), or created the universe in six literal days, is delusional and cancerous.

Personally, I think understanding people and treating them with equal inherent worth is really the only thing that can be held as being of godly importance. A person's deeds should be their worship. My morals are based in what I've observed and experienced in the human world and my own conclusions and ideals relating to them.
 
Personally I believe in the multiverse theory, so I do believe in a god, but I'm not sure if there's an active god that created us in this universe.

I just have a few issues with believing in one, for example, we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the earth 1000x over; doesn't that seem like something a caring god should be concerned with?

I'm also having a tough time believing the universe was made piece by piece in a week; it's just too massive (and he created stars, which we use to measure time, later in the "week," tell me how that makes sense)

And my big one: space is big, really really big, so big it's inconceivable for a small species like Homo sapiens to come close to understanding. Why in this vast greatness would a god only tinker with one specific species on one small little blue marble out in the middle of nowhere? And if he did create another highly sentient species somewhere a million lightyears away, wouldn't s/he make a sort of natural bridge for both species to learn from each other?

This aside I will elaborate more. I do believe in the possibility of a god, but it's relative to the universe that we live in. In this universe this is what I believe god is: a meme. Not the stupid pictures with words, but in terms of meme theory. In case no one knows what that is it's this: meme theory is an idea, concept, theory or belief that is passed down from culture to culture and generation to generation, and this intangible thing is seen as a living thing or a virus that mutates and evolves over time to survive. When one person hears and accepts this meme, they are, for a lack of a better term, "infected," and the meme reproduces with them. Religious extremists are what I like to think of as "antibodies" for the meme; they will defend their meme and use any means possible.

Now religion is not necessarily a good or bad thing in my opinion. It gave order and answers to a time of chaos and anxiety. When we had no clue what was going on we used it as an automatic answer that everyone understood completely. Frankly we need memes to learn and survive, unfortunately humans are social animals and two people with similar memes just seem to get along better.

Finally I want to say that I mean absolutely no offense by posting this, this is my opinion and I'm just putting it out there. I'm a firm believer in "to each their own," however i do support:
Gay marriage rights (because being gay isn't a choice nor is it a sin, let these people be happy)
Pro-choice (life begins at birth and quality of life should play a role)
Evolution (which is 1000% true, I'm warning you now I will fight tooth and nail on evolution)
And death with dignity (because letting grandma suffer from cancer for two years shouldn't be god's plan)
 
AnthonyH said:
I just have a few issues with believing in one, for example, we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the earth 1000x over; doesn't that seem like something a caring god should be concerned with?
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It just depends on how you look at it all. Whether through the perspective of conventional religious dogma, or perhaps something else.

If this plane of existence cosmically amounts to little more than a "schoolyard", would it really matter if the school burned to the ground while its students as eternal souls simply went "home"? To a place with no bad dreams, no remorse, no sadness when we return to our primary plane of existence. No harm, no foul.

In that respect there's nothing for God to be really concerned with other than whether or where to build the next schoolyard. The phrase "world without end" may not mean the Earth at all. ;)
 
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