Does this analogy fit you?

[onlything]

Depends on a day. Some days I'm quite emotional, other ones completely disconnected and using only logic.

 

[Rasputin]

Interestingly perhaps, Calculus was a wall for me.. All math up until Calculus I could do with no problem at all. I struggled with differential calculus, but got through.. integral calculus I just couldn't understand at all.. I also tried to take Probability and Statistics (which is effectively applied integral calculus), and was completely inept at that as well. After much studying, I wrote a quiz in class, thought I'd nailed it.. Got it back with 1/10... Panic ensued..

We are all different, and we learn differently. It could be that the instructor was not teaching in a way that made learning interesting. I can recognize similarities between you and I though.

 

[Varzar]

We are all different, and we learn differently. It could be that the instructor was not teaching in a way that made learning interesting. I can recognize similarities between you and I though.

I was also good in Statistics, and pursued a Master's in Applied Statistics at Purdue.

Nice! Unfortunately, I don't think I can blame the teacher.. lol. I actually had a really good teacher.. After the 1/10 quiz, I visited him during his office hours and he helped me work through some things.. I did get through the course thanks to his help.. I still can't say I really "get it".. I just learned to follow the steps to get the right answer..
My education was Computer Systems Tech, specializing in artificial intelligence.

 

[Rasputin]

Nice! Unfortunately, I don't think I can blame the teacher.. lol. I actually had a really good teacher.. After the 1/10 quiz, I visited him during his office hours and he helped me work through some things.. I did get through the course thanks to his help.. I still can't say I really "get it".. I just learned to follow the steps to get the right answer..
My education was Computer Systems Tech, specializing in artificial intelligence.

I graduated with a joint major in Math and Chemistry. Then could not get a job and went back to school and completed a four year program in Accounting in 9 months. Then passed the CPA exam, and still could not get a job. To this day, I struggle in interviews.

 

[Varzar]

I graduated with a joint major in Math and Chemistry. Then could not get a job and went back to school and completed a four year program in Accounting in 9 months. Them passed the CPA exam, and still could not get a job. To this day, I struggle in interviews.

That's a lot of education.. You'd think jobs would be easy to come by.. But, yeah.. interviews..
I guess I'm better at those.. On the Meyers Briggs test, I am near 50/50 between introverted and extroverted.. just slightly on the introverted side.. Perhaps that made most interviews passable for me.. Although I had a few "interesting" ones.

One company wanted me to write a personality test for the position. The personality test indicated I would "fight for what I believe in".. The interviewer questioned that, he told me I seemed very "passive and non-confrontational".. I proved him wrong by arguing with him during the interview that I agreed with the personality test and that his perception was incorrect... I feel I made my point, but I didn't get the job.. lol..

 

[Rasputin]

That's a lot of education.. You'd think jobs would be easy to come by.. But, yeah.. interviews..
I guess I'm better at those.. On the Meyers Briggs test, I am near 50/50 between introverted and extroverted.. just slightly on the introverted side.. Perhaps that made most interviews passable for me.. Although I had a few "interesting" ones.

One company wanted me to write a personality test for the position. The personality test indicated I would "fight for what I believe in".. The interviewer questioned that, he told me I seemed very "passive and non-confrontational".. I proved him wrong by arguing with him during the interview that I agreed with the personality test and that his perception was incorrect... I feel I made my point, but I didn't get the job.. lol..

I have a Ph.D. now from one of the Big 10 schools in the Midwestern United States. Interviewing is maddening to me, due to anxiety.

But I have been employed full time continuously since 1986. So, I can't complain too much. With luck, maybe I can continue working another 6-8 years?

 

[clg114]

Logic is everything to me. All of my priorities, everything that I believe to be true and almost everything that I do were preceded by logical thought. I have never made a conscious decision to think like this, it is just the way that I am. Now I know that my wife and I do not need a lot of the stuff that we have, but the things that needed to be paid first, came first. That is the logical way to manage your finances. This logical way of doing things has served me well.

 

[Rasputin]

Varzar, just based on this article I think your analogy type B fits for Asperger's.

Remembering Mr. Spock from an Asperger point of view

Also, it makes sense since we both identified with the Spock character.

 

[Gracey]

I believe/hope I'm A.

I can induct B at will in most circumstances because it's natural for me.

The condition anxiety is fuelled by fear.
Fear is an emotional response to stimuli.
To date I've found logic can sometimes exasperate anxiety.
the example I offer is catastrophising.

logic may dictate the possibility of any one of a number of catastrophic events happening. They're all possible, logically.
I guess the trick is to calculate the probability.
I digress somewhat.

fear is an emotion. fear of rejection, fear of failure, fear of humiliation, fear of never fitting in, fear of messing up.

 

[Fact Ten]

If I'm detached from the situation, I'd like to think I'm more logical. Unfortunately, if I'm in a situation and unable to detach myself from it, I tend to be more emotional due to severe anxiety. In either case, I feel more like the detached helix more often than not.

 

[Fino]

Pride is an emotion. Perhaps when many of us believe we're being purely logical, we're incidentally being prideful, which would affect our judgement like any other emotion.

 

[Shamar]

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This is an analogy I've used with my wife to try and reconcile the differences between how each of us thinks and feels.

Imagine the Red side of the strand represents emotion, and the Blue side represents logic..
Essentially, I feel that NTs are represented by image A. Their emotions and logic are intertwined and inseparable. They can't make logical decisions without consulting emotion at the same time.
Image B I think is a closer representation of myself. Essentially, the two strands are separate. I tend to stay on the logical side unless I'm having some sort of meltdown... The emotions are still always there, but they don't regularly play any role in my day-to-day decision making processes.

What do you think? A or B? And I'm also curious, if B, do you have a dominant side (logic vs. emotion)?

I see it more like this:

Logic and emotion intertwined, but with pieces of emotion (and maybe a few bits of logic) missing. An incomplete version of the whole, each side trying to compensate for the missing half (and frequently failing at it).

 

[Aspychata]

Varzar, just based on this article I think your analogy type B fits for Asperger's.

Remembering Mr. Spock from an Asperger point of view

Also, it makes sense since we both identified with the Spock character.

I identified with him too
That's why l brought him up in my post.

 

[Aspychata]

I see it more like this:
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Logic and emotion intertwined, but with pieces of emotion (and maybe a few bits of logic) missing. An incomplete version of the whole, each side trying to compensate for the missing half (and frequently failing at it).

I like this explanation. If l am tired, l just grab something out of my magic hat and pray it gets me thru,because l don't always have time to wade thru the social niceties to get to the point of whatever the social interaction is trying to accomplish. I am impatient to chitchat, get to the point Sherlock,but you can't say that to most people. Logic and emotion in a trash compactor, which one wins?

 

[Rasputin]

I identified with him too
That's why l brought him up in my post.

That figures. We do agree on most things, and there are a lot of Trekies among the members.

 

[SusanLR]

@Rasputin That tribute to Mr. Spock from an Asperger point of view is beautiful.
Star Trek the original series debuted when I was nine.
Spock instantly became my childhood idol. I identified with him so much.
I am grateful to have met Leonard Nimoy at a party.

He stated at one time he felt rather annoyed that everyone called him Spock.
But, as his role progressed, he felt he was channeling something intended for this world.
His book I AM SPOCK details those feelings.
As with many things from Star Trek that were then science fiction,
today are reality and do have meaning in the world.
I ended our chat with the Vulcan hand salute.
He asked, "But can you do both hands at the same time?"
Instantly! It is only natural.

 

[Rasputin]

@Rasputin That tribute to Mr. Spock from an Asperger point of view is beautiful.
Star Trek the original series debuted when I was nine.
Spock instantly became my childhood idol. I identified with him so much.
I am grateful to have met Leonard Nimoy at a party.

He stated at one time he felt rather annoyed that everyone called him Spock.
But, as his role progressed, he felt he was channeling something intended for this world.
His book I AM SPOCK details those feelings.
As with many things from Star Trek that were then science fiction,
today are reality and do have meaning in the world.
I ended our chat with the Vulcan hand salute.
He asked, "But can you do both hands at the same time?"
Instantly! It is only natural.

I was seven years old when Star Trek debuted, and it was immediately my favorite show. I am not sure if I understood at that age, but I identified with the Spock character.

The article was written by a Dutch psychiatrist who recognized the positive attributes of people with Aspergers; that I thought was significant since I am meeting with a psychiatrist for the first time next week.

 

[Rasputin]

I believe/hope I'm A.

I can induct B at will in most circumstances because it's natural for me.

The condition anxiety is fuelled by fear.
Fear is an emotional response to stimuli.
To date I've found logic can sometimes exasperate anxiety.
the example I offer is catastrophising.

logic may dictate the possibility of any one of a number of catastrophic events happening. They're all possible, logically.
I guess the trick is to calculate the probability.
I digress somewhat.

fear is an emotion. fear of rejection, fear of failure, fear of humiliation, fear of never fitting in, fear of messing up.

The fears you mention may be the source of my anxiety. In particular the fear of messing up or failing. There is also some fear of humiliation and emotion. Because of this fear it increases my already heightened focus so that I rarely make mistakes. I have learned to mask to fit in, but have become somewhat comfortable with not fitting in. So, not much fear there.

In social situations such as watching football in a group, my awkwardness comes out. Recently while watching a football game someone put out their fist, and I did not know I was supposed to bump my fist against his in an emotional display of celebration. I did something lame in putting my hand out to shake hands. After that, everyone joked and made fun of my awkwardness - which I am used too. Something else I have learned is when people make fun of you it doesn't necessarily mean they don't like you. When people really dislike you they avoid interaction altogether. That is when you know you are truly disliked. So, it is important to be able to laugh at yourself and accept your awkwardness.

 

[Gracey]

The fist bump thing I've done too

I believe the term is,
'to leave them hanging'
when we don't automatically fist bump them back.

 

[Varzar]

The fears you mention may be the source of my anxiety. In particular the fear of messing up or failing. There is also some fear of humiliation and emotion. Because of this fear it increases my already heightened focus so that I rarely make mistakes. I have learned to mask to fit in, but have become somewhat comfortable with not fitting in. So, not much fear there.

In social situations such as watching football in a group, my awkwardness comes out. Recently while watching a football game someone put out their fist, and I did not know I was supposed to bump my fist against his in an emotional display of celebration. I did something lame in putting my hand out to shake hands. After that, everyone joked and made fun of my awkwardness - which I am used too. Something else I have learned is when people make fun of you it doesn't necessarily mean they don't like you. When people really dislike you they avoid interaction altogether. That is when you know you are truly disliked. So, it is important to be able to laugh at yourself and accept your awkwardness.

hehehe! Yes, definitely good to be able to laugh at yourself...
I not so long ago hi-fived a guy I know who was apparently only trying to wave.. But y'know, he wasn't actually "waving" his hand much, so I misinterpreted.. He looked rather confused afterwards..