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Friends or no friends??

Anyone ever heard the saying; "He's a friend to everyone but he has no friends"

That?s my situation, I know a lot of people and that?s fine but, when they really get to know me, when they start to peek behind the curtain and they see it's just a wizened little man standing on a soapbox talking into a loudhailer to make himself seem more important, that?s when they switch off and I am alone again.

Potential friends are turned off by me telling the truth all the time and by me talking at length about? everything, and anything!
 
I'm pretty much on my lonesome where I live. A few casual sort of friends, for lack of a better word, but nobody I could trust my life with.

Facebook has been something of a godsend for keeping in touch with old school friends and the like.

I've always liked the Lee Iacocca quote "My father always used to say that when you die, if you've got five real friends, then you've had a great life". Quality over quantity ftw.
 
Anyone ever heard the saying; "He's a friend to everyone but he has no friends"

That’s my situation, I know a lot of people and that’s fine but, when they really get to know me, when they start to peek behind the curtain and they see it's just a wizened little man standing on a soapbox talking into a loudhailer to make himself seem more important, that’s when they switch off and I am alone again.

Potential friends are turned off by me telling the truth all the time and by me talking at length about… everything, and anything!

I'm quite lucky in the sense that in the way that I always speak the truth my partner truly admires, He's quite.. brazen some times but he's still sometimes surprised/shocked at how blunt I am.

It's so difficult because there's so much passion, interest and intelligence and you just want to convey how you feel to people.. it seems so weird that being passionate scares people away!
 
Friends have always had a hard time making and keeping friends. I never did have more than 1 friend and now i have 2 female friends i sometimes see. Have been bullied,ignored or treated badly by people in the past. i try to be nice to people but some of them have turned against me. Anyway nobody wants to know me cos i have so many problems as well as aspergers and have social phobia and anxiety. Even here some people have made friends with me and we would pm each other but then they stop contacting me and once again i feel rejected and alone and i thought people would be nice on this site and genuine and them im left wondering what went wrong!
 
Social skills can be learned over time. I myself now have a lot of friends and I like socialising.

Basically, just think like an NT and you can function along like them. The earlier you start learning, the better. People are more forgiving of mistakes at younger ages.

Let me clarify, I think I probably used a wrong choice of words in saying "think like a Neurotypical". What I meant when I said "think like a Neurotypical" referred to this: learn & follow social etiquette / rules, & basically behave in a way that people will not get pissed off at you. It does not mean try to pretend to be what you?re not.

I apologise on this one.


I wish it was that easy. I've learned how to communicate and doing exactly what I was "supposed" to I was pretty successful at it but in the end I had to admit - something was missing. I felt like a robot programmed to say those things I didn't feel it. But going back to DIR therapy book that I'm reading right now it seems that it's actually possible for people on the spectrum to communicate with significant emotional investment and have clearer understanding of social nuances. It's about finding a connection to the outside world, or more about realizing that you've got that link, it might be different, more fragile...or maybe less flexible but you've got it.
One thing that I learned, I can't fake being NT not matter how hard I try, no matter how hard I believe that it's true.

As about friends... I think you have to have to have a true need, or desire to be a part of friendship to have one. Plus it's much easier to make friends when you're feeling good about yourself.

Very true. I tried pretending to be a NT totally, but if you do that to the point of losing your identity then you?re probably overdoing it.

Obviously, some compromises have to be made ? especially those about social etiquette. Some are pretty obvious ? droning on for hours about your pet interest will put most people off. But not everything has to be compromised. I don?t compromise my worldview or my interests, I just have to realise the people aren?t interested about it all the time and so I shouldn?t talk about it so much, for example. Another important one would be to argue in a more tactful manner - and not just bluntly attack people's actions or viewpoints.

But how to implement this comes with experience. I?m still learning myself, but thankfully in the initial stages my parents did explain the thought processes involved so I just adapted it to whatever else.

Of course, it isn?t easy. Even NTs also have socializing problems ? just witness all the gaffes in the media everyday ? but the degree is less than what most AS people suffer.

The first step is to start trying ? the earlier the better ? and learn with experience.

Friends are actually pretty necessary. If you don?t have them when you need them, then that?s when it?s too late?. But other than that the ?feeling good? about yourself is true. Treat yourself like crap and eventually you?ll end up treating others like crap, which unfortunately I learned the hard way.

I?d recommend Dale Carnegie?s book ?How to Win Friends & Influence People?. The stuff is simple to understand, readable and actually works, even though I don?t live in a Western culture which this was written for.


When is "early" for learning? I'm 28, I have never been told that I was wrong in my functioning. I had to find out the "hard way". So even if I learn it right now... what is the correct example? I've had enough of social contacts, they fall way out of line with what "correct social etiquette" is. I tried to mimic what I thought was normal... it came across as weird to other people because they clearly saw I wasn't "me" but rather someone that tried to fit in. I also ended up depressed because it was in no way natural for me to "act".

And also, to what I said earlier... I don't think it only has to do with the "inability" (at least for me). I has to do with the ability to be able to think further than just words, and think about intention and context.


There is a pretty good place to learn. Dale Carnegie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People" is a pretty good, and there's probably other books too.

Other than that, people are unique. Everyone has their own character traits, quirks, interests and preferences. And so long as it doesn?t affect others negatively (e.g. stuff like digging nose in public), people are generally fine with it. Probably the best thing one can start off with is to just be open minded and accept people, then they will reciprocate.

Anyway, people love to talk about themselves, whether they are NT, AS or whatever. So the easiest strategy for me is to just let them talk about themselves. After a while of letting them talk about themselves, they regard you as a friend. Strange, but yeah. Human nature.
 
I friend all those with no friends....

I have a few, most met in my hobbies. For me the last place to make friends is at church and I stopped going. That is another long story.

I did have many when I was young and in college or before that time. Generally I think NT's are doing well to have a couple good friends but it appears they have many which is not always the case. There are times I wish I had more friends to just meet for coffee and talk. I really hate sports and all that stuff.

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I friend all those with no friends....

I have a few, most met in my hobbies. For me the last place to make friends is at church and I stopped going. That is another long story.

I did have many when I was young and in college or before that time. Generally I think NT's are doing well to have a couple good friends but it appears they have many which is not always the case. There are times I wish I had more friends to just meet for coffee and talk. I really hate sports and all that stuff.

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Well said.

(I hate sports, also)
 
Thanks NeverEnder, I have always enjoyed your posts.

I feel many here are more polite than what I encounter in day to day society. Anyone need friends send me that friend thing that is in your control panel and near your Avatar and PM message and I will accept. Also, I forgot to mention I have two Gerbils, and two Hamsters, I could them as friends too! OK, one belongs to my daughter and the other two my wife. I got stuck with the two Gerbils - go figure? I like animals like Temple Grandin.

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So after reading this thread I too have issues with holding onto friends. It takes me years to get confident enough to open up to people. Plus recently I had a friendship with two people end very badly. Its been a few months but it always makes me feel insecure again and then well...one of them I work with so...its hard to explain but I realize that I find it really hard to make and keep friends. The one friend I could rely on passed away a few years ago and I've had trouble keeping friends my age ever since.
 
i've never had a long lasting relationship with a human in my life.
as a child i had a "friend". we were both about six or seven, but she was tiny, even smaller than me, skinny and with a baby face and tiny voice. i thought she was real cute and used to pat her head, and then when her other friend had an argument with her and raised her voice i told her not to yell and she said, "Do you know what the argument is about? do you even know what happened? no? then shut the hell up!"
looking back now, i realize my little "friend" just wanted to come to my house, because my mother, who was desperate for me to make friends, babied her and gave her cookies. i met her some time later, with her friends, and she said not to walk next to her, and under any circumstances not make it look like we're walking together.
there was another girl, but she ended up bulling me and being violent.
i didnt even know what real friendship was. once someone asked me if i had friends and i replied that i dont know if i do, because i dont know what a friend is.
there were some, as a grownup, who liked me, but i couldnt handle a real, face to face friendship for more than a few weeks. my only friends are my nieces, but outside the family, there were my cats, now dead. and there are the neighborhood dogs who leap on me and lick my face with love and adoration, my furry friends.
 
i've never had a long lasting relationship with a human in my life.
as a child i had a "friend". we were both about six or seven, but she was tiny, even smaller than me, skinny and with a baby face and tiny voice. i thought she was real cute and used to pat her head, and then when her other friend had an argument with her and raised her voice i told her not to yell and she said, "Do you know what the argument is about? do you even know what happened? no? then shut the hell up!"
looking back now, i realize my little "friend" just wanted to come to my house, because my mother, who was desperate for me to make friends, babied her and gave her cookies. i met her some time later, with her friends, and she said not to walk next to her, and under any circumstances not make it look like we're walking together.
there was another girl, but she ended up bulling me and being violent.
i didnt even know what real friendship was. once someone asked me if i had friends and i replied that i dont know if i do, because i dont know what a friend is.
there were some, as a grownup, who liked me, but i couldnt handle a real, face to face friendship for more than a few weeks. my only friends are my nieces, but outside the family, there were my cats, now dead. and there are the neighborhood dogs who leap on me and lick my face with love and adoration, my furry friends.

Don't let them get you down. A lot of people a terribly insecure and confused about a lot of things, so they don't always behave in a conscientious or understanding manner. It's a crappy feeling to have, I know. When the kid on the playground told me to buzz off when playing tag, that stuck with me for a while. But there's nothing we can do. Life has dealt us our challenge and if there's any logic to this universe, we have a purpose. Luckily we are beautiful people :)
 
Thanks NeverEnder, I have always enjoyed your posts.

I feel many here are more polite than what I encounter in day to day society. Anyone need friends send me that friend thing that is in your control panel and near your Avatar and PM message and I will accept. Also, I forgot to mention I have two Gerbils, and two Hamsters, I could them as friends too! OK, one belongs to my daughter and the other two my wife. I got stuck with the two Gerbils - go figure? I like animals like Temple Grandin.

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. I like animals too, and usually they like me as well, which makes me a fortunate soul, I believe. No real human friends, although my family is fond of me ( it is mostly mutual). I also enjoy NeverEnder's comments. I think that I could probably make some friends here, as there are some whose posts are really interesting, and I feel a certain simpatico with them and their experience.
 
Don't let them get you down. A lot of people a terribly insecure and confused about a lot of things, so they don't always behave in a conscientious or understanding manner. It's a crappy feeling to have, I know. When the kid on the playground told me to buzz off when playing tag, that stuck with me for a while. But there's nothing we can do. Life has dealt us our challenge and if there's any logic to this universe, we have a purpose. Luckily we are beautiful people :)

yes, we ARE beautiful people, thank you. and we do have a purpose. albeirt ainstien was an aspie and so was darwin, and so it bill gates, you can tell from the look in their eyes, typically aspie.
and i also believe we have to make the best we can with the cards we've been dealt.
 
. I like animals too, and usually they like me as well, which makes me a fortunate soul, I believe. No real human friends, although my family is fond of me ( it is mostly mutual). I also enjoy NeverEnder's comments. I think that I could probably make some friends here, as there are some whose posts are really interesting, and I feel a certain simpatico with them and their experience.

i also like NeverEnder's comments and i think the people on this forum sound interesting and intelligent, and here i can actually indentify with people and understand them, something i couldnt do anywhere else. i couldnt feel a bond with anyone and couldnt understand anyone in school, neighbors, or even my own parents. i left and went aboard to the US for a few years, tried to make friends, tried to blend in, and couldnt. i lived in a very poor neighborhood, but when running into middle class people, like i'm used to, couldnt bond with and understand them, either. communicating online with other aspies, or other people with classic autism, makes me feel like i was trying to fit in with extra terrestrials all my life and now i've run into humans.
and i dont hate NTs or anything like that, my nieces are NT, at least two out of three, and they're angels. with them i can communicate, but i can't understand their world and they dont really know mine.
dont have anything against NTs, just cant understand them or feel a bond, is all.
 
dont have anything against NTs, just cant understand them or feel a bond, is all.

I feel this way, also.

I realize that NTs don't seem to understand me.

I honestly do not fit into the NT world very much at all; I do not understand all the underlying signals nor do I get their humor.

I feel very alone at times.

-Matthew-
 
The more comfortable I become with being an Aspie, the less it matters to me that I'm an outsider to the NT world. Of course, that is how I feel today. Soon there will be a day when I start a new job (I hope) and it will matter very much then. But I will still not want to be friends with them.

I guess I always feel alone, but I do feel less alone here.
 
People on the autism spectrum generally have little to no friends due to our brains being wired differently from that of a NT person. Thus, that leads to us having difficulty communicating with them. It does get easier as you get older, IF you put in the effort it takes to get there. It's not going to magically happen once you reach a certain age. I didn't have my first friendship until 6th grade, so I've been a loner most of my life. In 6th grade I had no idea whatsoever how to connect with people, and I was too afraid to even say so much as hi to someone. Now in 10th grade, I'd say my social skills are much better, but it took a lot of trial and error, embarrassing moments, and frustration to get even this far, and I still have quite a bit of trouble in certain social situations.
 

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