Good age to diagnose personality disorders

[Oz67]

I misidentified people as being the same person in disguise, due to commutation delays as peopleś and even animal´s looked the same.

It was not a delusion per se, but it is still Fregoli Syndrome. I was self-aware itś not normal and I hid it from my family members until I turned 18 years old, as I was embarrassed.

 

[Oz67]

Although I had symptoms of Unspecified Personality Disorder symptoms with paranoid fantasies prior to Bipolar 1 Disorder, and although I have Autism Spectrum and it's a neurodevelopmental disorder, I would still get death penalty if I acted on my paranoid fantasies as it's plans of class A felonies, and also because I am not intellectually disabled.

 

[Oz67]

Although your brain is not that developed until age 25-26, it's a good idea to diagnose mental disorders at age 12-15 as soon it develops to improve the symptoms rather than just waiting for it to become worse until it turns into delusions and hallucinations. If Premorbid Personality Disorder is emerging in young adulthood before Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders, it's best to diagnose it at age 18 if it is severe or age 23 if it is mild, so you can no longer meet the diagnostic criteria for mental disorder and get it treated as soon as possible.

 

[Oz67]

Thank you for helping me and giving me advice on how to deal with my symptoms of Paranoid Personality Disorder, I need to learn how to chill as I learned that using Paranoid Personality Disorder as a legal insanity defense is not a very good excuse and I would get severely punished if I acted upon it.

 

[Oz67]

Some personality disorders can be diagnosed in preschool. Some disorders do not manifest until later in life. You can manifest a disorder at any age in life. It is just most common for one to manifest during or just beyond puberty. There's no specific ideal age range for diagnosis.

Diagnosis needs to happen as early as is consistent with accuracy and confidence. That maximizes the chance of help that will mitigate later problems in life.

There is an age cutoff for age 18+ for Antisocial Personality Disorder, and maybe it's because the consequences and civil commitment are much harsher for adults than for children, but still, you are a youth until age 25 and there is a debate if young adults under 20-22 should be tried as juveniles.

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There are cases of 16 or 17-year-olds being diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder as well, but that is not the norm and it is rare.

Antisocial Personality Disorder should be diagnosed if children commit crimes due to mental illness and can be tried as adults, as an exception, but that is arbitrary and should only be diagnosed in adulthood.

 

[Oz67]

I feel bad for wanting to murder police officers, at age 15 I had delusional beliefs that the corrupted military police officers were following me and were everywhere.

I was violent, because I was hallucinating that highschoolers where calling for help and I had to do a mission to save poor innocent lifes, and I had panic attacks and was aggressive, because they wouldn't let me run away from classroom.

 

[Au Naturel]

There is an age cutoff for age 18+ for Antisocial Personality Disorder, and maybe it's because the consequences and civil commitment are much harsher for adults than for children, but still, you are a youth until age 25 and there is a debate if young adults under 20-22 should be tried as juveniles.

A trained and experienced professional can accurately diagnose serious autism by the age of two.

Antisocial Personality Disorder is usually not diagnosed before 18, but one can get a diagnosis of "Conduct Disorder" for the same symptoms before the age of ten. Early onset "conduct disorder" is often followed by APD diagnosis later in life.

I reiterate my position that personality disorders should be diagnosed at the earliest age that is consistent with confidence and accuracy.

 

[Oz67]

A trained and experienced professional can accurately diagnose serious autism by the age of two.

Antisocial Personality Disorder is usually not diagnosed before 18, but one can get a diagnosis of "Conduct Disorder" for the same symptoms before the age of ten. Early onset "conduct disorder" is often followed by APD diagnosis later in life.

I reiterate my position that personality disorders should be diagnosed at the earliest age that is consistent with confidence and accuracy.

Now I kind of understand your point, it is just that the number 18-19 is teenage, maybe age 20 or 21 with drinking legal age makes more sense to diagnose personality disorders

 

[Oz67]

A trained and experienced professional can accurately diagnose serious autism by the age of two.

Antisocial Personality Disorder is usually not diagnosed before 18, but one can get a diagnosis of "Conduct Disorder" for the same symptoms before the age of ten. Early onset "conduct disorder" is often followed by APD diagnosis later in life.

I reiterate my position that personality disorders should be diagnosed at the earliest age that is consistent with confidence and accuracy.

Mabe age 16 makes more sense to diagnose personality disorders, just like you have to be at least 16 years old and 5 years older than a child to be diagnosed with Pedophilic Disorder.

 

[Oz67]

Also at age 15 or older, you can be charged as an adult depending on the situation.

 

[Oz67]

I'm learning to ignore politics and side with bad people online.

I have been abused online by toxic people and that made me have symptoms of Unspecified Personality Disorder prior to the onset of Bipolar 1 Disorder.

I had to stop and learn the consequences of my actions as well.

 

[Au Naturel]

Also at age 15 or older, you can be charged as an adult depending on the situation.

Unfortunately, in the US, you can be charged as an adult at any age as long as state law allows it. There's no federal guideline for state laws.

https://eji.org/news/13-states-lack-minimum-age-for-trying-kids-as-adults/

 

[Mary Terry]

Unfortunately, in the US, you can be charged as an adult at any age as long as state law allows it. There's no federal guideline for state laws.

https://eji.org/news/13-states-lack-minimum-age-for-trying-kids-as-adults/

Very true. Also, minors convicted as adults of crimes are segregated from the adult prison population while they serve their sentences.

 

[Oz67]

Unfortunately, in the US, you can be charged as an adult at any age as long as state law allows it. There's no federal guideline for state laws.

https://eji.org/news/13-states-lack-minimum-age-for-trying-kids-as-adults/

I will do research on that article thanks

 

[Oz67]

Very true. Also, minors convicted as adults of crimes are segregated from the adult prison population while they serve their sentences.

That is an interesting point to consider.

 

[Oz67]

I agree with you, @Oz67, while also recognizing that each person's situation will be unique and sometimes, it may be in order.

Although symptoms of a personality disorder may become apparent in the teenage years, it is a particular class of diagnoses that rely on other conditions being ruled out. There is still quite a lot of brain development happening from 18-23 for most people and I think it is worth it to use provisional diagnoses to be thorough with the assessment process. I agree with @Neri that sometimes an early diagnosis can lead to access to treatment, but many of those treatments could be made available with provisional diagnoses as well. Every case will be unique, but I'm inclined to prefer abstaining from diagnosing personality disorders before 25 years old.

Although your brain is still in the developmental stage until age 25, I think that age 23 is a good age to be diagnosed with personality disorders, for early intervention, no younger than age 23. Still, personality disorders can be diagnosed in younger adults to older teenagers if the personality disorders are more severe. There is a history of childhood-onset mental disorders that overlap with personality disorders.

 

[Au Naturel]

your brain is still in the developmental stage until age 25

I'm not sure that is meaningful.

Your body is still developing until your early 20s. I'm not sure that waiting until adulthood to diagnose poor vision, hearing, or growth hormone deficiency is a good idea.

If you are ten and you are a bully, you're still a bully. You may - or may not - grow out of it, but that does not help your victims. You need to be diagnosed with the "bully" disorder - whichever one it is - and given help. Then there is schizophrenia. It commonly kicks in during adolescence but sometimes earlier.

Autism is diagnosable with a high degree of accuracy at an early age, years before even starts school. You never outgrow autism. I see no benefit and great harm in not catching problematic conditions as early as practical.

Differentiating between diagnosis and provisional diagnosis isn't useful. If it gets you help, it works. If it doesn't, it is a fail.

 

[Oz67]

I'm not sure that is meaningful.

Your body is still developing until your early 20s. I'm not sure that waiting until adulthood to diagnose poor vision, hearing, or growth hormone deficiency is a good idea.

If you are ten and you are a bully, you're still a bully. You may - or may not - grow out of it, but that does not help your victims. You need to be diagnosed with the "bully" disorder - whichever one it is - and given help. Then there is schizophrenia. It commonly kicks in during adolescence but sometimes earlier.

Autism is diagnosable with a high degree of accuracy at an early age, years before even starts school. You never outgrow autism. I see no benefit and great harm in not catching problematic conditions as early as practical.

Differentiating between diagnosis and provisional diagnosis isn't useful. If it gets you help, it works. If it doesn't, it is a fail.

I would be very careful diagnosing children with personality disorders.

Some personality disorders can technically be diagnosed in children, such as Schizoid Personality Disorder, Schizotypal Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder, but I am not so sure about Antisocial Personality Disorder, but Antisocial Personality Disorder can technically be diagnosed in older children, if there is also a history of Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Conduct Disorder from early childhood.

 

[Au Naturel]

I would be very careful diagnosing children with personality disorders.

Some personality disorders can technically be diagnosed in children, such as Schizoid Personality Disorder, Schizotypal Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder, but I am not so sure about Antisocial Personality Disorder, but Antisocial Personality Disorder can technically be diagnosed in older children, if there is also a history of Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Conduct Disorder from early childhood.

I am using diagnose as a verb. I use diagnosis as the noun for the investigative process. It is also often used as a noun for the conclusion reached by the process of diagnosis, which may not be proper grammar but seems to have stuck. The process is agnostic about the final deduction, or it is bad practice. According to the Oxford Dictionary, diagnosis is:

"noun: the identification of the nature of an illness or other problem by examination of the symptoms."

Children can have personality disorders. There are also behavioral diagnoses that do not involve a personality disorder. The whole point of diagnosis is to figure out why a child feels angry/depressed/sadistic/etc. and come up with a plan - hopefully one that has a track record of helping.

 

[Oz67]

I am using diagnose as a verb. I use diagnosis as the noun for the investigative process. It is also often used as a noun for the conclusion reached by the process of diagnosis, which may not be proper grammar but seems to have stuck. The process is agnostic about the final deduction, or it is bad practice. According to the Oxford Dictionary, diagnosis is:

"noun: the identification of the nature of an illness or other problem by examination of the symptoms."

Children can have personality disorders. There are also behavioral diagnoses that do not involve a personality disorder. The whole point of diagnosis is to figure out why a child feels angry/depressed/sadistic/etc. and come up with a plan - hopefully one that has a track record of helping.

That actually makes sense, but according to DSM-5-TR, you have to be 18 years old to be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder.