Good age to diagnose personality disorders

[Oz67]

It sounds as though he wasn't psychotic if that is truly the case.

He was delusional though.

 

[Jonn]

Delusional:

characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.
"hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"

What is psychosis?​

Psychosis refers to a collection of symptoms that affect the mind, where there has been some loss of contact with reality. During an episode of psychosis, a person’s thoughts and perceptions are disrupted and they may have difficulty recognizing what is real and what is not.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/pub...experience,do something or criticizing them).

 

[Oz67]

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/pub...experience,do something or criticizing them).

So, you can be delusional without being psychotic?

Please educate me, I am very curious

 

[Jonn]

Copilot: Is a person responsible if they are psychotic?
The question of responsibility for someone experiencing psychosis is complex and often depends on the context and severity of their condition. Psychosis can significantly impair a person’s ability to distinguish reality from their delusions or hallucinations1. This impairment can affect their judgment and behavior, making it challenging to hold them fully responsible for their actions in the same way as someone without such a condition2.


In legal contexts, many systems have provisions for assessing the mental state of an individual at the time of an offense. If a person is found to be experiencing a severe psychotic episode, they might be considered not criminally responsible due to their inability to understand the nature or wrongfulness of their actions3.

 

[Jonn]

So, you can be delusional without being psychotic?

Please educate me, I am very curious

I need to give it more thought, but I suspect they may be synonymous at times.

 

[Oz67]

But Brian Blackwell had the delusion of grandeur, but he still knew what he did was illegal, he even freaked out and hid the evidence of the hammer when the police were investigating him.

 

[Jonn]

But Brian Blackwell had the delusion of grandeur, but he still knew what he did was illegal

Firstly, based on relatively recent research, a narcissist of grandeur is a particular type of narcissist.
Apparently, many/most narcissist have poor self-esteem (paradoxical, I know) whereas a grandiose narcissist has high self-esteem.

Grandiose narcissism is a pattern characterized by exaggerated feelings of superiority, entitlement, self-importance, an obsessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy toward others. Grandiose narcissism is also known as "overt narcissism."

Although not reflected in the official diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5-TR), it is generally considered that pathological narcissism can present with different subtypes—grandiose narcissism being one of those types.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-grandiose-narcissism-7112083

 

[Oz67]

Firstly, based on relatively recent research, a narcissist of grandeur is a particular type of narcissist.
Apparently, many/most narcissist have poor self-esteem (paradoxical, I know) whereas a grandiose narcissist has high self-esteem.



https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-grandiose-narcissism-7112083

Thank you for sharing this article

 

[Au Naturel]

My understanding of personality disorders is that they are developmental disorders and are genetic.

Back in the day, psychopath and sociopath were generally accepted terms. Psychopaths were considered to have been born that way. Sometimes, you can even see the beginnings in preschool, when a child might show no empathy for others and casually tortures animals and rip apart insects. There is a lack of emotional affect for anything. No fear, no love, no hate.

Sociopathy was considered to be learned. Raised by someone who was casually violent and who rewarded brutal behavior. Or maybe raised on really "mean" streets. Same results. The sociopathy could be unlearned because they were just disconnected from emotions that are still there underneath, but psychopathy could only be muted. The emotions just aren't there.

Most psychopaths are not violent. They are people who missed having an empathy gene. You're just an object in their world, but there's no desire to hurt you. Sometimes, psychopaths can brilliantly mimic NT behavior to get what they want, but it is just high-level acting.

There may be nonviolent sociopaths out there, but they don't get diagnosed. Violence is how they end up in the system.

And that's how it was explained to me around 1970, I believe.

 

[Oz67]

Back in the day, psychopath and sociopath were generally accepted terms. Psychopaths were considered to have been born that way. Sometimes, you can even see the beginnings in preschool, when a child might show no empathy for others and casually tortures animals and rip apart insects. There is a lack of emotional affect for anything. No fear, no love, no hate.

Sociopathy was considered to be learned. Raised by someone who was casually violent and who rewarded brutal behavior. Or maybe raised on really "mean" streets. Same results. The sociopathy could be unlearned because they were just disconnected from emotions that are still there underneath, but psychopathy could only be muted. The emotions just aren't there.

Most psychopaths are not violent. They are just people who totally lack empathy. You're just an object in their world, but there's no desire to hurt you. Sometimes, psychopaths can brilliantly mimic NT behavior to get what they want, but it is just high-level acting.

There may be nonviolent sociopaths out there, but they don't get diagnosed. Violence is how they end up in the system.

And that's how it was explained to me around 1970, I believe.

That's interesting

 

[Au Naturel]

That's interesting

There's a 1971 movie, A Clockwork Orange, about a scientific experiment to use Pavlovian techniques to cure a psycho/sociopath. (I'm not sure which.) I could not begin to list all the possible trigger warnings for it. Very disturbing "ultraviolence" of every kind is the best way to describe it. It is considered Stanley Kubrick's early science fiction dystopian masterpiece.

 

[Oz67]

There's a 1971 movie, A Clockwork Orange, about a scientific experiment to use Pavlovian techniques to cure a psycho/sociopath. (I'm not sure which.) I could not begin to list all the possible trigger warnings for it. Very disturbing "ultraviolence" of every kind is the best way to describe it. It is considered Stanley Kubrick's early science fiction dystopian masterpiece.

That actually makes sense.

 

[Aspychata]

I remember watching this movie.