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Hate hanging out with couples.

I'm basing this on other people's experiences too. I've seen people get older and never find anyone. I know a few women in that boat.

I think it's better to persue other interests. Some people just don't find love. That's just life.

I think it's deluded to believe in something that isn't going to happen if based on previous evidence it's not the way ones life is.

It's not an all or nothing way of thinking. It's being self aware.
 
At least you were asked out. I am an 43 year old man who was never asked out or even dated. Girls never approach me unless they know me already and the ones who do talk to me that know me are single by choice or are couples.
 
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Tony, what are your 'man skills' can you service a car, do you have power tool experience? Can you get some? Start upskilling.
 
I'm gonna pull you up on saying they're single by choice.

If their options are only men they have no connection with and whom they have no attraction to or who would be a burden to them. That's not a choice. Its a really bad idea to get involved with someone for the sake of it.

My friend made a huge mistake and married a man who has issues. She was in her 40s and just not getting any attention from men, but he was interested. She 50 times more organised and intelligent than him. He's a burden to her. She's ruined her life. She doesn't believe in divorce so stays out of obligation. He's an idiot quite frankly. She would have been better off alone.

I invited them to a zoom party recently and he just killed the vibe with his idiotic comments.

If she had said no to him, I guess that would have been a choice, but when your choice is that hell or loneliness, then well, what kind of choice is that?

It's bad luck. These women are just in the wrong place.

It's probably a bit of bad luck for you too. You've just not met someone you vibe with.
 
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It depends. If I'm hanging out with a couple that is in obvious trouble, it's super stressful because I pick up on the fact that their relationship is off the rails but I have to pretend that I don't. Historically this isn't a situation that I can navigate (or want to).

It can also be super awkward and uncomfortable if I'm the only single person in the room - everyone's conversations eventually drift to their kids, or family...and I'm completely left out. For example, one time in Sunday School, the Sunday before Christmas, everyone just decided to skip the lesson and talk about their plans for the holiday. So it basically turned into a round robin where everyone took a turn telling about their plans involving families, extended families, kids, etc. I kept my mouth shut of course. Then I was the only one left - all eyes on me, and they asked me "What are your plans?" I had to say I didn't have any. It's been years and this memory STILL sticks in my throat.

But in general, I hang out with everyone. Couples or singles, it doesn't matter. Especially if we're engaging in some common interest, so the topic of conversation is generally the common interest instead of family stuff.
 
@Tony Ramirez

Given the opportunity to date a girl who is exactly your counterpart,
would you? By this, I mean, try to imagine dating yourself.

What would you say your strong points are?
 
I agree. Especially when they have the nerve couples giving advice to single people.

Well, if you do not get advice from couples, how will you date, or not be single anymore? I mean, those single are either having the same difficulties as you, or are not interested in finding another, for whatever reason. So, why would their advice be any better than the advice from some couple?

Also, couples were single before they became couples? You make the assumption all couples had it easy finding someone or had many dating experiences, and you seem to assume they are happy in their relationship. Many could have had just one relationship, and be more miserable than you even.

Would it not make rational sense to listen to all input then, to find out not only what they did or did not do, for you to make more well informed decisions, and to see if they too still see a relationship as having more benefits than negatives? Maybe some of those couples could even envy your position right now, and give advice to not make the same mistake.

I realize when one does not have something, or have not tried something yet, and when society glamorizes those things, one can assume one is missing out on a lot. I can just say, there is a reason why lots of divorce still happens these days, and why persons are marrying later, or why many are not choosing to marry at all. More benefits are being seen doing things non-traditional ways.

Most persons eventually realize, through their experiences, research, or input from conversing with many varying others, that there are somewhat equal benefits and negatives of being alone verses being in a relationship of any sorts. Not a huge difference. It is up to each of us to proceed in that direction we want, but our attitudes, efforts can directly or indirectly open and close doors for us too.

But, I understand loneliness as I have been there, and I was miserable in ways then, and thought everyone had it better. Eventually, after being on the verge of self destruction, I changed gears and focused on bettering my health and mindset and redirecting my energies, and not letting others and events control my daily moods or efforts. I focused on my efforts, not immediate results.

Think of doing that as not only being your best, but giving you more opportunities in life. This does not mean those other opportunities will be better. It just means you'll be able to make better decisions, when you are feeling less depressed, less anxious and when you are more positive. Whether you like my or others' advice or not, I am not worried about that. You are free to ignore anyone's advice.

A final example I would like to give: Let's say I was obese my entire life (which I was never). Would I want support from other lifelong overweight persons? Absolutely! But, would I want their advice how to lose weight? Not really. I would want to first get more advice from one who had lost all that weight, and then get advice from those who were able to maintain a healthy weight. Apply this info now, to lifelong singles verses couples.

The last advice, I would want was from someone who had the exact situation as I, if that other refused or were unable to alter their ways, and if I wanted to have changes in my life. The first thing I would want was to get advice from someone thinking more clearly and who had been there, but who found answers for them to get their needs met.

Each of us are different, yes, so that is why different feedback helps. While it can be distressing and annoying hearing from and seeing other couples when we never experienced those things, sometimes we need to see that until we get so frustrated we need to act in a better way to achieve that, and this requires input from those others, if we really want that.

Yes, that may be more temporary anxiety on your part, by getting input from others you dislike too, but if you are fair, open minded and see they care and want to help, I hope that would help ease your mind some. Or if you need medication to make your thinking clearer or mood better, or therapy to changed negative ingrained ways, as some things can be changed or energies redirected whether others want to admit such or not, then please try that. I am for all types of help.

In the end, its your choice who you talk to, listen to or not, and who you are angry with or not. But, we all will be held accountable though in life for our decisions, and few persons will empathize with our conditions and any bad upbringing, if they feel we keep rejecting others' well intentions and help, and if we seem not objective, or if wanting to categorize negatively. Again, this post was well intentioned, and even if you get bothered by it, maybe it'll help another understand another perspective.
 
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I actually do not mind negative people. Some studies suggest negative people are more in touch with reality. It is called Depressive Realism (link below).

Of course, there are two sides. I will post. But life at its core is not all that positive. If you luck out and get loving parents, enough generational wealth, and/or the ability to work hard and consistently or smartly, lucked out and were not disabled, find a loving partner, don't get sick (in the US, anyway), etc..... IF IF IF----THEN, you can be happy.

All those who say you can be happy and lack those things usually have those things (except for Diogenes and he is dead).

I have a friend who is a scrappy Aussie and I think he's awesome. He's scrappy and annoys people I think he's the bee's knees. Negative as can be but spot on scientist.

Be yourself because in reality you cannot be anyone but yourself. What will happen? Goodness only knows. I am not one to say it will be all beer and skittles because chances are it won't. Forgive my bluntness, but you asked.

I also agree with @tree and would like you list what your dream girl looks like and what your strengths are. That may help.

But yeah, I am not one to see sunshine and roses unless I am out there in real sunshine and roses.

Is there anyway you can extricate that dream from your mind and find other things to think about? Trust me, that isn't easy. But a lot of us have discovered it ain't gonna happen. I have found Birds are better than people (I agree with Aristophanes so I am in good company).

See, you have a lot of company. Now you will make us all feel bad if YOU become the linked up one and smile at us and say, "Hey! It's gonna happen for YOU cuz it happened to me!" Hahahahaha. J/K. If you do, we will be very happy :)

Depressive realism - Wikipedia
 
Regarding advice from couples, often they don't actually know what they did.

I have one friend who is convinced that she found her husband because she stopped looking. It was just a pure fluke. She thought, "Well that's it. I'm just gonna be single" and met her husband the next week. Confirmation bias. Coincidence. Rubbish advice. Tried this. Nothing happened.

Another said to me, " if you are a loving person, you will be loved." Good advice at surface level because who is gonna love a selfish uncaring person? But my sister said to me that I am a loving person, a very loving person, so that doesn't help me any. I'm already doing that.

Another is convinced that she met her husband because she prayed to find a husband. More confirmation bias. I have a friend who has prayed to find a husband and hasn't. Again, rubbish advice. Yes, I tried it. Nothing happened.

Another told me to let a guy do things for me. Men like to be useful. This is the guy who asked me out and then changed his mind. Ok, so this one kind of worked. He didn't realise I was a possibility as a romantic interest until I asked him to help me with something. He was super flattered, but then realised he actually fancied my friend and backed out.

Advice is subjective. Biased. Mostly useless. I suppose I have at least tried the suggestions, but I'm kind of sick of this nonsense.

The most consistent opinion from couples is that "it just happens". That's not even actionable.
 
Just reached out on Facebook on the Church page and you guessed it two couples messaged me back. One I already knew and another woman I did not until I read my husband :mad:.

What makes matters worse was when I mentioned the other Church I might go to she and her "husband" now might attend. Exactly what I don't need more happy couples as friends. Where the heck are the single woman online living under a rock with no internet.
 
Just reached out on Facebook on the Church page and you guessed it two couples messaged me back. One I already knew and another woman I did not until I read my husband :mad:.

What makes matters worse was when I mentioned the other Church I might go to she and her "husband" now might attend. Exactly what I don't need more happy couples as friends. Where the heck are the single woman online living under a rock with no internet.

That's actually really nice that they care about you. At least you are liked.

Was there a particular woman whom you wanted to respond? Is that why you're disappointed?

What did you say in the Facebook group? What prompted them to reply.
 
I was polite and did not message her why you are married. But it's still annoying I attract couples like bees and honey it becomes quite old after a while.
 
@Tony Ramirez
It seems that you're able to make connections - that's not an issue. Have you considered, once you're comfortable with them, asking your friends and acquaintances about introducing you to others in their social circles?
 
Those points are pretty good (hatfullofrain), when you say many couples come up with dumb reasons how they got together, and for those who said such to you, it's not really helpful advice I agree. They are trying to simplify things or minimize the problems many face at being alone or feeling alone. Details matter, and open mindedness and honesty matters. I feel their replies to you about your being single in life seem lacking there.

One thing that most know about is that confidence, humor, special abilities are seen as very attractive traits in a potential relationship other, by both men and women alike. Even if one had a noticeable condition or did not meet the others' preliminary other physical or personality requirements or expectations, people want to be around such persons that they perceive as with less problems, or if they seem as more relaxed, positive or talented in some way. It's a magnet, not repellant, if shown or done in not an abrasive way, but positive way.

Now, before anyone says, "If they do not love me for being me, I do not want them anyway." That is a fine approach, and one may eventually love you for that. But, many more others may not want to take a chance on someone, if they feel that other perhaps is not trying to put their best foot forward, when trying to find another. Life is about change and being our best, and not about always being the status quo, for everything. That other will show extra efforts and change or compromise for you, despite having their own hidden issues too to deal with, so they want to see positives at least on the surface of the other as well. They don't want to feel like the other could be a burden in most ways.

Although I feel though that luck "sometimes" plays a role in many being together, that luck would not have often occurred without either getting out there publicly regularly to be noticed and heard, being seen in a positive light and elsewhere too, and if initiating and showing a likeness for another at times does not occur. Fearing criticism and rejection, or fearing doing things nontraditional ways because of many past experiences and low self esteem is real. People can be mean, assume things, be selfish, be discriminatory, or have high or unrealistic expectations. I get that too.

That's why I feel its important persons to first decide what is more important for themselves? To be themselves in all ways, but risk being more alone and having many others not seeing that as attractive, or to say, "Yeah, I have this condition and current mindset, but I have so much to offer because of my condition and will put forth efforts more to show that, through words, appearance and actions, even if unique instead of talking negatives and seeming to repel persons through an attitude that shows low self worth, rigidity, generalizations, and/or some given up mindset.

While is is true that there are guys out there who will want to be seen as some savior of a woman with many needs or in much distress, or as they have lots of issues themselves so may be less picky, and while there are some really empathetic or caring women who will consider a guy with a condition, disability and many needs, or as they are then less picky themselves, still this requires finding those persons who are searching too, and then one of the two not being scared to initiate.

In general, if one has high expectations for another, that another could have high expectations in that other person too. It is no coincidence that the perceived weaker or stereotypical view of the less attractive are often with those perceived in similar ways, and the perceived stronger or with more to offer are often with like-minded persons. So, if one sets the bar low in what one is looking for, then there will be more options. If one sets the bar higher and is pickier, expect to show lots more to offer.

I am often curious why those alone and wanting to be in a relationship on such forums are not writing to each other more, directly or indirectly, through public posts to learn more about them, and then if interested, one take a chance and say, "Would you be ok to private chat, as you seem cool, great, interesting as a person, or like-minded, etc" Or do many Aspies not want to hook up with other Aspies, or they need something else in a mate they are not detailing in the forum, so they reject similar persons that are alone? Or could they just fear more, this decreasing much the opportunities?

I just know it's hard to get into relationships if one does not talk of or show the great things about them, and if another then was or seemed preliminary interested but did not initiate showing a desire to get to know them more. The only way to know or get results sometimes is to try, and to take a chance, if that other through your analysis seems to be a kind, open minded, not too picky, and caring person, but with just bad experiences who has a hard time showing their good sides more, until another gives them a chance.

The only downside to such is it could seem somewhat awkward if things did not materialize, but at least one or both could learn more about themselves in the process, and then fine-tune things in the future, to more make the next opportunity work. I have always said I learned and learn just as much through tougher times and disagreement, than if someone always agreed with me, or if things were always calm or with the perfect ending. The problem is, not everyone learns from their experiences or mistakes, nor is everyone receptive to learning new things. They seem entrenched in their positions, regardless if any fault is of their doing, or they repeat the same mistakes or patterns, and expect different results. That's unrealistic.
 
It seems no matter where I go and do I only attract women who are taken or don't want an relationship but more of the former.
 
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I do understand the annoyance of being around some couples- I've had so many friends who once they get into relationships I literally hear from them every 6 months when we used to talk every other day or so. The dependency on others is what irritates me more than anything. As has been said, i've also known people, and have stayed with people myself out of fear of being alone. Those relationships were absolutely nothing to be envious of and can be extremely damaging.
Sorry, but I don't think you'll be having a lot of luck finding partners in church, especially with the attitude you're currently expressing. I know a great deal of people may not believe in this kind of thing, but the vibe you put off, even if your thoughts are not voiced, is picked up by a lot of people and if it is bitter and angry and self-pitying people aren't going to want to be around it.
You have power over how you feel, how you interact with others and who you attract into your life, but it requires a mindset shift- not easy by any means I know, but the other option is to continue being miserable and angry, chasing friends away because they are in relationships that you feel you can't have.
Being alone is a marvellous thing if you learn to love yourself and appreciate your unique ability to know and provide everything you need for yourself.
 
My friend was right it is my attitude but you would think the same if girls treat me the way I am treated.

I am also on three medications for depression and bipolar. I was on an anti anxiety clonazepam 0.5 mg pill which was helping my mask phobia but my stupid doctor took me off it a week after it was working. I am going to persuasive to put me back on it also he is an Christian married too.
 
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Do you. I do since most of my friends or acquaintances are couples.

I also lost a close friend 17 years ago when my close friend got married but before when he coupled with his girlfriend he was not the same. Always doing things like holding hands, cuddling and kissing. I felt like a 3rd wheel.

Now since most of the Church attended are couples, married and such I find them very annoying to be around with them holding hands and their kids playing, showing pictures of their kids. I also found another Church which I am going to first attend next week maybe it won't be all stinking couples.

Meanwhile I been single for 43 years of my life, never dated a girl, kissed a girl or been in love which was both ways as I only had crushes so I'm bitter.

Now I don't want to hear from the same dang people here saying my wife, my boyfriend, meet my spouse or other crap like that. I want to hear from other singles only

Hopefully when Covid is finally done... Try to find a Christian singles group, some churches will likely have one depending on the population level where you live... In my city of about 1.4 million people one of the large churches has an active singles group that a few people I know have been part of... And I think that ultimately it's for friendship, as even pre-Covid it can be lonely as a single person, especially as you get older...

And I'm pretty much in the same boat you are in, except that I'm 49, I know part of what you are feeling, one very good friend of mine who dates back to my childhood has been married for many years now, and it became harder to maintain that relationship, plus he has four children which keeps him busy enough...

It's difficult at times for a single person to have friendships with married people, especially when they are parents, because there are layers of responsibility to those roles of partner/spouse and parent which take up much of their time compared to a single person with far fewer responsibilities, but it's not impossible

:)
 
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Being alone is a marvellous thing if you learn to love yourself and appreciate your unique ability to know and provide everything you need for yourself.

I'll agree, at age 49 I'm not really looking anymore for a marriage, I've learned to be quite content as a single person, I've felt that way for many years actually, only got a few curve balls with that during Covid restrictions of the last year, when I've had some bouts of loneliness (mostly because my other social supports were taken away)...
 

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