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Hate hanging out with couples.

Covid will never be over. Mutations will prevent the virus going away even with vaccines.

I know the feeling, we just have to do the best we can

The world is full of couples, but I have chosen to get involved in things even as a single man, people are people... Even within current restrictions, find ways to volunteer and get involved, I think you will find more acceptance...

And as you have said in another response, it also sounds like you need to talk to your doctor about some of your struggles, certainly regarding medications
 
Thanks. That couple woman from FB Messenger said to message her if I feel depressed about leaving the Church even though she don't know me so she is friendly.

Also one of my friends single by choice from TGC called me and she cheered me up. Although we are not meeting I have a lot of friends there couples and singles by choice so I don't feel alone.
 
One of my female friends got back to me from Church with a warming video message. I don't think she is single by choice because she just said how she feels odd with her brothers and sister married and she is single.

So there are single people not by choice but it's hard to recognize them.
 
Okay another guy an couple wants to meet me in the park tomorrow for an walk.

I should have refased this topic as I really don't hate hanging out with most couples I just had bad experience in my last Church 17 years ago where they flat out said we only want to hang with couples.

It's more jealous that they are married wirh a partner and I am single.
 
I have no problem getting dates on the app I use. I’ve been on tons. You have to put yourself out there somehow otherwise you’ll get nowhere, and the only person who can do that is you.
 
Meh, I have been in a few relationships before, and I have to say that there are some benefits to being single. Besides, desperation is a massive turnoff for most people - myself included. Learning to be content in your own skin - that is when you know you have made it in life.

I need to listen to my own words here, don’t mind that I forget what I said above quite often myself.
 
Or you could turn a negative into a positive and a learning experience.

Ed
That can be a big part of the problem, we're too good at learning, too sensitive. We learn early on that neurotypicals are insensitive, boring, complacent. We need others of our kind - whence the forum.
 
I think reinforcing an "us and them" mentality is problematic. To suggest that you can't have a close bond or friendship with someone who isn't on the spectrum probably isn't true for a lot of people.

The problem with having certain negative experiences is that you could potentially tar everyone with the same brush. Assuming that past traumas are doomed to continually repeat themselves in the future. You become unnecessarily guarded around people you make negative assumption about.

Ed
 
I am often curious why those alone and wanting to be in a relationship on such forums are not writing to each other.

I've noticed that the single women seem to be more capable than the single men. The women are women and the men are still boys. I see it in real life too. The only men left are not quite right in some way, developmentally. You can't hold a conversation with them. They aren't mature enough to handle responsibilities.

Women are happier alone. Attaching yourself to a man brings a lot of responsiblities. If your regular NT man won't pick up the slack why would an aspie with executive functioning issues?

Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert
 
More "us and them" mentalities. Overgeneralisation is another depressive mindset that tends to repeat itself.

It's never as black and white as we might assume.

Ed
 
I've noticed that the single women seem to be more capable than the single men. The women are women and the men are still boys. I see it in real life too. The only men left are not quite right in some way, developmentally. You can't hold a conversation with them. They aren't mature enough to handle responsibilities.

Women are happier alone. Attaching yourself to a man brings a lot of responsiblities. If your regular NT man won't pick up the slack why would an aspie with executive functioning issues?

Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert

I do agree the ability to have a conversation is very important in a relationship, and I do not care if it begins mainly through writing, phone, video chat, whatever. And regardless if it's a man or a woman that is irresponsible, that would be a big turn off to me as well. Personally, as I am modern thinking, I feel a man or woman should be able to initiate if wanting to pursue things further. I would not hold it against a man, if he wanted or needed the roles reversed there, but likewise, I would see it as a positive if a woman had shown interest.

The reasons I am married today is a mix of both of that. I initiated writing to her privately when she was on some yahoo anxiety group at that time, and I initiated setting up the in-person meeting in a public setting about six months later, but she hinted at wanting marriage after we had been together one to two years mostly as live-in. So, when I felt wanting and willing a few months after that to marry her, I proposed and she accepted. I am not saying everyone should do as we did, but just be open minded to who initiates, as many with ASD have relationship concerns or difficulties..

I just think in my wife's and my case I had lots more to lose with a relationship as my wife had several very severe mental health issues and far more needs than I, prior to marriage, and as I was happy alone just prior to that, could function on my own in all ways, and was ready to start a career, and wanted to grow. But, love is love, and her severe issues did not stop me from pursuing a relationship, then marriage with her. I did not see my wife's more limitations and less abilities as a reflection of someone who was not deserving. I saw it as an opportunity to assist her, and grow with her together.

Had I assumed she would be some burden, or not a match, through my initial contacts when she was a total mess that would have turned most persons off, I would have never learned all the great things about her, and we would never have been fulfilled to this day. I am not saying everything is perfect, nor am I saying that everyone should be ok settling for those with conditions. Some cannot take on that. All I am saying is there seems to be a lot of functional single men and women in this forum wanting to at least try a relationship of some sort, and try not to assume things, until you learn more.

I do agree though that regardless if one is a man or woman, if communication cannot be sustained or if one showed mostly big developmental, negativity or anger issues, and the good traits were mostly hidden, that would be a turn off to most. I am a rare case maybe where I had enough patience and empathy to look beyond that, but my wife even had patience and understanding too, as in-person I was much quieter than in my online talks with her. I opened up a lot with her in-person, the more I knew her, and the more that like turned to love. Neither of us ran away, when we both could have.

So, the bottom line is, I personally feel if one sees or senses more positives than negatives with a relationship, I feel most with enough strength will not usually give up, and you will see them trying hard to learn from their mistakes, or to put their best foot forward in making more efforts, and/or in showing their strengths, more, even if it is doing things in ways different than they had planned. If they cannot do this, yes, they could have larger developmental issues, or they are not ready either, or have given up in ways, or they just need the other do mostly everything. That rarely works.
 
More "us and them" mentalities. Overgeneralisation is another depressive mindset that tends to repeat itself.

It's never as black and white as we might assume.

Ed

You really don't like my use of hyperbole.

I should be more careful on an autism forum to come over as less black and white about things.

I see and accept nuances in life, but I'm too lazy to write like that in a short post.
 
Do you. I do since most of my friends or acquaintances are couples.

I also lost a close friend 17 years ago when my close friend got married but before when he coupled with his girlfriend he was not the same. Always doing things like holding hands, cuddling and kissing. I felt like a 3rd wheel.

Now since most of the Church attended are couples, married and such I find them very annoying to be around with them holding hands and their kids playing, showing pictures of their kids. I also found another Church which I am going to first attend next week maybe it won't be all stinking couples.

Meanwhile I been single for 43 years of my life, never dated a girl, kissed a girl or been in love which was both ways as I only had crushes so I'm bitter.

Now I don't want to hear from the same dang people here saying my wife, my boyfriend, meet my spouse or other crap like that. I want to hear from other singles only
People are like mirrors, the things that bother us about them are handy signals to show us what needs working on in ourselves to improve our lives.

When I hankered after a partner, either none came or unsuitable ones came, or I was unknowingly not ready for a relationship.

The couples I was with at the time, I felt like a gooseberry (a British term for a third person with a couple).

When I was "ok being single" I found that people came, and also, the couples I did engage with welcomed me, I didn't feel a gooseberry.

This is to say, my inner attitude towards myself was wrong, I perceived myself wrongly in this context, I saw myself as "less than" without a partner, because if we haven't got a partner, that means we are not lovable, right? - No, wrong, actually.

The "wrong" part was my attitude towards myself in relation to other people - that is to say, I was not "less than" without a partner, I just incorrectly thought I was less than.
 

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