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Is it common for people with Asperger's to become atheist?

I almost (I chose not to though) became an athiest when I was first diagnosed. My therapy sessions were literal hell for me. (excuse the language). When I got home, I inwardly thought: Why, God? Why have you put this on me? What did I do to deserve it? I'm glad that I'm learning how to trust God again. I'm not sure why he chose to form me with autism, but until I find out, I'll just take life one step at a time.
 
If that works for you, Music, gives you a sense of purpose, connectedness & meaning (if that is what you seek & it soothes you) then more power to you! I've never wondered 'why' in 'greater purpose' terms re being on the spectrum. It just sort of IS for me. I'm an Autie & that's the long & the short of it. There are people born NTs who are infinitely more miserable than I'll ever e & their lives are fraught with severe problems & suffering. I just try to do the best I can with what I've got, make the best of things & NOT create problems for myself & others if I can avoid it.
 
For some people religion does give a sense of purpose and I can see its attraction; however, the flip side of that is, at least for me, is "If God loves me and cares for me, etc., then why did He give me Aspergers (or any other condition)?" Even before I knew that there was a name for my condition I knew I was different and my peers knew I was different--and not in a good way. Why do some people have it relatively easy and others (like many on this forum) suffer anguish and loneliness? That is a question that believers in a loving God cannot answer in any satisfactory way.

The beauty of atheism is that since there is no God, there is no one to blame. There is no one to ask why, there are no contradictions. Things are the way they are because of random, undirected forces. I can honestly say I have had MORE peace of mind once I abandoned the idea that there is someone out there who is looking after me and cares for me yet at the same time stands back and allows all kinds of sh*tty things to happen including what recently happened in Connecticut. There is no "why," there is no "plan", it is up to me to decide how and what will give my life meaning.
 
Not sure if it's common for sure, but I think it would be a bit more common in people with aspergers- because of our general thinking.

I know personally, I wasn't raised with a religion and I tend to not agree with organized religions overall.

On the other hand, I debate about God/Gods. Idk. One logical part of me is an atheist. The other part says: so what can bring all the elements of the universe together? Because in general science does say, matter can't be created or destroyed, and it's like where did all this energy/elements come from? I mean I get the whole science part of how things can be combined to make other things, but it's the 'how they all got there" type thing. But then another part says "but what created God then because I can't just see some random being just coming out of no where to add all these elements/energy etc." It's always a debate in my head, and there is no right answer because there is such a lack of knowledge.

I do know it's more comforting to believe in God. It's interesting because even going back to the like Neanderthals and Homo heidelbergensis,, they had burials and even some things buried with them, which suggest a possible belief in the afterlife and that's like 223,000 - 100,000 BCE. And then there is Venus figurines from like 25,000 BCE. By the time it's like 9831 BC there is already starting to have organized religions etc. And that's an extreme long time to have some belief in some form of higher power. I don't know if that suggests humans always liked to have an reason for things they can't explain, or the burials were just to get rid of a bad smelling body or what. Interesting I think nonetheless how deep religion roots go.

So I don't really know where I stand beyond without a doubt, besides the whole 'I don't believe in any formal religion", even if I stand to be more atheist than anything.
 
Some people think I'm a Christian because they think I was forced. That's not true. I love serving God, and it's hard, but it will be worth it in the end. I can't see God, but I know that he's all around. As for the idea of the world being made, I doubt evolution and Scientology. This world is too diverse for it to have been made by nothing. Therefore, I firmly believe in the creation by God.

Edit: This is my understanding of it, if you disagree, I won't hold it against you, but please say it in a nice way. There's no need to get into an argument over this.
 
@Music: So far, so good! We tend to be able to discuss dicey subjects on this forum quite openly, honestly & nicely. As much as my views differ from those of religious members (such as Holly's), I have a deep respect for her as a human being & she has a lot to contribute that I value. You seem to be that kind of person too. Although I'd never go to a church, I enjoy hearing about others' bake sales, interesting sermons, picnics & other events.

I think it is incumbent on us to respect each other's right to a viewpoint. If someone here believed that the world came into existence through some other metaphysical creation myth from a tribal Animistic culture, for instance, I'd love to hear what that story is & how their belief system works. It would never occur to me to go knock on a Christian's door & try to persuade them to give up their religion for this or that reason & I'd never discourage someone from their beliefs here.

The stickiness occurs when Atheists begin confronting individual Christians & trying to verbally pillory them over their faith or when Christians start trying to convert Atheists & begin ranting about the devil. As an Atheist, my position is NOT that I am against Christianity or any other religion. I'm not pro-Atheism either & I'm not a member of any formal Atheism groups. I don't feel the need to gather together with people who don't 'believe in' something any more than I desire to join a group called 'People Who Don't Collect Stamps'.

 
Soup: I really like what you said. As a Christian, it's my job (by God) to love non Christians and lift them up, instead of judging them and bringing them down. I love Native American legends of how the world began. Those are cool. I think I can still believe in creation, and like those theories too.
 
I'm a Christian and I left the last Aspie forum I was on because there was so much controversy and attacks/intolerance regarding religion and I didn't feel welcome (even though I personally didn't get involved, just read the posts). I'm glad to see that the people here seem to be more tolerant. I agree with what Music said. My dad is a pastor and I have been going to church my whole life (although I don't like being around so many people, especially strangers) and accepted Jesus as my Saviour as a little kid, but my upbringing isn't the only reason I'm a Christian. I've been through a lot recently and God has helped me a lot, and still is helping. I'm looking forward to seeing what He has in store for me after our upcoming move. I don't see Christianity as a religion, but rather a relationship with God.
So if it is common for Aspies to be atheist (and judging by my experience on the last forum, I'd say it is), then I guess I stand out extra. :)
 
I'm a Christian and I left the last Aspie forum I was on because there was so much controversy and attacks/intolerance regarding religion and I didn't feel welcome (even though I personally didn't get involved, just read the posts). I'm glad to see that the people here seem to be more tolerant. I agree with what Music said. My dad is a pastor and I have been going to church my whole life (although I don't like being around so many people, especially strangers) and accepted Jesus as my Saviour as a little kid, but my upbringing isn't the only reason I'm a Christian. I've been through a lot recently and God has helped me a lot, and still is helping. I'm looking forward to seeing what He has in store for me after our upcoming move. I don't see Christianity as a religion, but rather a relationship with God.
So if it is common for Aspies to be atheist (and judging by my experience on the last forum, I'd say it is), then I guess I stand out extra. :)
I'm glad you agree :). I don't know what I would do if Jesus weren't real. He holds my life together
 
Religion is so big because people are so small.
We have to assume we are not the only thing in an expanse as big as it is, first it was the world being flat and religion helped with the fear of falling of the edge, then it was so big and round and religion helped with the fear of head-hunters and the unknown interior of the continents. Then we invented telescopes and found out how truly small we are and god is always there to lend perspective in much the same way as mothers coattails are always there for a toddler to hide behind.

We have to believe in something bigger and that it is benevolent, as this is what shrinks the immensity of being so infinitesimal in all that surrounds us, we need there to be something to subscribe to.
Religion isn’t about control, it is about acceptance and togetherness, why people debate that religion is bad is because they have only ever dealt with the churches and the zealots that have mutated religion to fit their own ends, all churches do this in one form or another, hate the church not religion.

Jesus most likely did feed a whole bunch of people with a few fish and some wine, what probably happened is that some dude that always made sense to people in troubled times offered his lunch to the mob that showed up to hear him talk and they saw it wasn’t going to be enough, so all his mates did a whip around with the hat and promptly set off to the market and came back with a whole bunch of fish and wine and everybody got fed and was happy, but then some cheeky bastard sold the story to the tabloids of the day and to get a better price he blew it up to biblical proportions.

I don’t believe in religion, not because religion is bad or wrong or forcing me too, I don’t believe because what I have been told doesn’t make sense to my Aspergical mind, I may well still be religious but just don’t identify with it in terms a true believer would recognise, therefore I am automatically assumed to be an atheist because if I am not seen to believe I am a non-believer and this is how holy wars start…
If your not with us you’re against us.

I find interesting that there are two threads here with basically the same question which is; ‘Are those on the spectrum prone to atheism’ and I think the answer is, no more so than any other group, we just come up with more diverse reasoning as to our choices, and both threads seem to generate different answers too.


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One thing I always wondered though is if a religious person believes in an invisible entity as a benevolent deity how come they scoff at ghosts and aliens, the holy trinity has a ghost and god lives in heaven which has to be another planet as they point up when they mention heaven.
Of course you cant open a dialogue on this topic as any religions followers will think your taking the mickey and get all huffy, but I say that being truly devout means your faith is unshakable so you have no problem answering questions about it, the way a mechanic should be able to talk about cars and a baker should be able to discuss cream buns.
In anything you are passionate about, if you walk off in a tizzy because someone has a differing opinion or questions you then you’re not all that serious about that passion to begin with… and this is what I have encountered whenever I have been curious about religion.

My conclusion would be then, that I am not religious through no fault of Aspergers, I just haven’t met any religious people that talked a good game.
 
Soup: I really like what you said. As a Christian, it's my job (by God) to love non Christians and lift them up, instead of judging them and bringing them down. I love Native American legends of how the world began. Those are cool. I think I can still believe in creation, and like those theories too.

Not wanting to start a row, but... how can you be sure that Christianity isn't just another theory too? I think that's the crux of the "shall I pick out one religion and dismiss the rest" argument I thinks been mentioned earlier. I always find it fascinating that each religion beleives itself to be the ONLY one that is right, despite never having real proof it is. And, of course, if it does then why doesn't it show the whole world the evidence impartially to let it be judged by everyone rationally? Just thinking out loud here... :rolleyes2:
 
I'm not pointing fingers here, but being a christian has a lot of ups. Jesus promises his followers that we'll live with him in eternal life when we're done on this earth. And all that's required is repentance. He's the only way for me and everyone who believes in him to live forever in heaven after we die. That's why I'm a believer. I'm proud to celebrate Jesus Christ this Christmas. I hope that my thoughts glorify him always

here are some verses that keep reminding me to never stop being a Christian:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3: 16

Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. John 6:35

Everyone can take the invitation. Actually, none of us deserve God because the Bible said all have sinned and fallen short of his glory. So, getting into heaven isn't based on good deeds, instead, it's based on God's lasting love and grace. I hope I'm ready for when he returns. I will be praying more than ever now.
 
Good job you weren't born into the Mayan civilisation then! To get to heaven, the path was a little more ... tortuous shall we say? :D I just read up on them, and I love the fact that they strongly believed in science AND religion! The good news was that they were fantastic astronomers, the bad new was .... er, ritual human sacrifice! But, that wasn't really bad news as those, and only those, who had their hearts literally ripped out by a priest went to heaven!!

Looks like being a Christian doesn't involve the same level of .... commitment ... to the cause! ;)

Here's the link to the info:

Mayan Religion - ReligionFacts
 
I was just thinking, aren't most people's relationships with science very much like those with a faith. Some atheists believe that science and mathematics hold all the answers (I used to be one of those) in the same way that many people believe their religions hold all the answers. Priests and scientists are both trusted deeply for giving answers, the specifics of which are not always understood - God works in mysterious ways, and there are plenty of these atheists who aren't scientists themselves, and don't know exactly how man evolved from apes, as Darwin suggests, but they believe him like Christians believe Christ, because of the fulfillment it gives them. Science has always been so full of theories and speculations anyway, especially when it comes to the creation of the universe and the workings of the mind - I still don't believe science can explain a human consciousness - that is really is very similar to a faith.

Whether you put your faith in the spiritual guidance of the Bible, or the rationalising of scientists, I think everyone does follow some kind of faith.

This is something that just occurred to me, it probably has holes in it as an argument, but I just thought I'd share it.
 
I was just thinking, aren't most people's relationships with science very much like those with a faith. Some atheists believe that science and mathematics hold all the answers (I used to be one of those) in the same way that many people believe their religions hold all the answers. Priests and scientists are both trusted deeply for giving answers, the specifics of which are not always understood - God works in mysterious ways, and there are plenty of these atheists who aren't scientists themselves, and don't know exactly how man evolved from apes, as Darwin suggests, but they believe him like Christians believe Christ, because of the fulfillment it gives them. Science has always been so full of theories and speculations anyway, especially when it comes to the creation of the universe and the workings of the mind - I still don't believe science can explain a human consciousness - that is really is very similar to a faith.

Whether you put your faith in the spiritual guidance of the Bible, or the rationalising of scientists, I think everyone does follow some kind of faith.

This is something that just occurred to me, it probably has holes in it as an argument, but I just thought I'd share it.

From what I've learned in school, science is basically defined as "Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "Science" refers to the body of reliable knowledge itself, of the type that can be logically and rationally explained."

I think science used to be more like faith, because it used to be closely tied to explanations, and for example, like philosophy.

But I think now it's more branched off so it's a bit more different, even if shares some common traits. Now science is more about having a formal system for testing theories that arise from common knowledge. It takes a lot for something in science to become a law and "true". Science is also ever changing and checking it's true. I mean look at Pluto, or how many moons a planet has. Also something is accepted until it's proven otherwise, and it's not believed until it's been proven over and over.

However, religion/faith aren't really tested in a defined system to see if they are need to be changed, and never really updated. Even if something doesn't exactly fit the informal rules of society. For example, doesn't the bible say or talk a father can sell your daughter for a slave or something? Yet now, I doubt many would do it would still do it.

I mean yes, I do think they share similarities, like having the comfort of explantation, believing it's true (in the case of science, people generally believe it's true until said otherwise), even in the fact people can believe different things in science (if you have ever taken social sciences, even some physical sciences, I've seen such a wide range of opinions), but there is enough differences in: how they are followed, how they come about, the system of how they exist, where the general belief comes from and how they evolve or not, that it's debatable they aren't the same thing.

I'm not a religion expert or a faith expert so that area I may be slightly incorrect, but I have learned in school what science is supposed to be.

I think both have a place in life because human nature loves explantations and comfort. I mean I was not raised in any religion or sense of faith. I have only stepped in a church once in my life: one for a friends's singing, and my parents never really talked about god or anything faith like. Yet I still find myself questioning if God exists, and still even praying at times.

But it's is what makes human nature so interesting: it's not simple. We look for patterns. It's wired in us. Some things aren't explained as simple as 1 plus 1 is 2.

Even the definition of time itself is divided according to what humans decided would work best. Even in certain cultures, age is defined differently. West cultures have us starting off as being "0" then grow from there. A few Eastern cultures start off babies being '1" years old, then grow from there.


I don't think it's a simple answer. It's close enough it can be debated and believed, yet far enough apart it can debated it's not.
 
Now science is more about having a formal system for testing theories that arise from common knowledge. It takes a lot for something in science to become a law and "true". Science is also ever changing and checking it's true. I mean look at Pluto, or how many moons a planet has. Also something is accepted until it's proven otherwise, and it's not believed until it's been proven over and over.

Oh, yes, I know that actual scientists are more to new theories and discoveries in that way, but I was talking amateur science experts who take the most probable and accepted theory as absolute fact. The people for whom rejecting a newly disproved household myth is as difficult as adapting a rigid set of religious values is for those who aren't atheist.

I think they both seek comfort and certainty in simpler, less technical explanations and are dependent on the wisdom of someone else, whether it be a god or a scientist.

I do agree with you 100% though.
 
I'm not atheist, I believe in some form of god, not a personified 'creator' such as in christian beliefs, but more like a kind of energy force.
 
I was a major Christian all through jr. high and high school. Everything fell apart when I was in college, coupled with me being a Religious Studies major in college, I started finding truth in other places, including atheism, and abandoned Christianity. Nowadays (and for about the past ... 6 years or so) I'm most accurately described as pagan, but I have leanings towards Asatru (the Norse pantheon). For me it's not a literal truth, just a lens through which I view the world and shape my decisions, much like how many non-Christians still believe things like theft and murder are wrong. I see the gods more as archetypes that have moved and changed throughout the millennia, and so in my opinion it would be the height of hubris to claim that my particular pantheon was THE correct one. As long as others are respectful of my right to my own belief, I have no problems with others believing whatever makes sense to them.
 

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