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Non-verbal ?

The curse of conversations in real-time! With thoughts of what you are saying, while someone is trying to say something to you, and how you may look in the process. And that occasional "brain-freeze" that messes it all up.

Sometimes I wonder if NTs would just remark, "But it's just talking!"

While we are thinking, "For us it's often a form of juggling".
 
I think a lot of my ability comes from being in a very dysfunctional family, in hindsight all of us were neurodivergent. And perhaps that's also why I went nonverbal at school but had no trouble talking at home, the style of communication was different. My father was a control freak, a coercive and emotional bully, and I have a stubborn streak that has never been broken. I learnt how to argue from a very early age.

My grandfather encouraged my stubborn streak with war stories, "Aussies do not Kow Toh, in fact we're famous for it.". To me the thought of giving in was like I was letting my entire nation down.
 
A good question, especially in terms of whether or not it involves mentally processing what is said, versus not adequately hearing what was said. Two very different considerations.

And yet in the case of autism, I sometimes wonder if they can be "intertwined" ? And then there's also a question of what pathologically or not promotes one to be non-verbal. A choice, or a neurological limitation?

And one last possible factor- the aging process, and whether or not that also comes into this equation.

Lots to consider. Not an ignorant question at all, IMO.
There are a lot of times when I don’t hear people speaking to me at all- I am completely in my own world inside my head, and do not take in external stimulation. I wonder if this could be the case with some non-verbal autistic people as well 🤔
 
There are a lot of times when I don’t hear people speaking to me at all- I am completely in my own world inside my head, and do not take in external stimulation. I wonder if this could be the case with some non-verbal autistic people as well 🤔

Absolutely. That we are mentally multitasking to a point where we are overwhelmed and it results in us losing some element of communication in the process. And some more than others in the case of those with the most difficulties in being non-verbal.

Might be why some of us find solitude and silence so comforting.
 
There are a lot of times when I don’t hear people speaking to me at all- I am completely in my own world inside my head, and do not take in external stimulation.
Many years ago when I was living with my fiance I finished work an hour earlier than her so it just made sense that I cooked tea every night. One afternoon I got home from work and put a beef stew on, too easy, then I sat in the lounge with a glass of wine and started reading a book.

It seemed like just a few minutes later the book was snatched out of my hands by a very angry girlfriend, she said "You haven't heard a single word I said!". I looked up in pure innocence and said "No, I didn't even know you were home yet." She hurled the book across the room and said "You were &^%$#& answering me!".

Apparently my subconscious was answering her but it wasn't making a lot of sense. I really didn't know she was there.
 
Many years ago when I was living with my fiance I finished work an hour earlier than her so it just made sense that I cooked tea every night. One afternoon I got home from work and put a beef stew on, too easy, then I sat in the lounge with a glass of wine and started reading a book.

It seemed like just a few minutes later the book was snatched out of my hands by a very angry girlfriend, she said "You haven't heard a single word I said!". I looked up in pure innocence and said "No, I didn't even know you were home yet." She hurled the book across the room and said "You were &^%$#& answering me!".

Apparently my subconscious was answering her but it wasn't making a lot of sense. I really didn't know she was there.
Yes!! It can totally cause issues!! My boyfriend has learned if I am engulfed in something, I am not taking in anything else, including what he says. I have learned that as soon as I realize he is speaking, I need to say “just a minute” to finish what I am hyper-focused on. Thankfully that works well for us. The rest of the time, he receives my undivided hyperfocus ☺️
 
Apparently my subconscious was answering her but it wasn't making a lot of sense. I really didn't know she was there.

Sounds like me in the event of a shutdown.

When I lose all sense of time, sound and reality ...somewhat akin to what alien abductees try to explain. It's very weird...and disturbing to me when it does happen. But the point being that it does happen. When anything and sometimes everything external around me just "evaporates".
 
If I'm focused on something the rest of the world disappears for me and I have little to no awareness of what's going on around me. In busy workplaces people learned to keep clear of me because if I was focused on what I was doing I wouldn't see them and I'd just walk straight through them as if they weren't there.

I also discovered that Hind Mind does a lot of things for me without me being personally involved. In some ways I will react to what's going on around me without any conscious thought on my part, and often without me even knowing that I have done these things.
 
For non-verbal autistic individuals, do they all understand spoken language that they hear? Or do some not understand spoken language they hear?
It depends

There are people who can't speak and don't understand much language.

For me it's episodes that can be frequent and last long. They're mostly caused by fatigue and feeling overwhelmed. I understand language or else I wouldn't be writing here. But I'm hard of hearing and need good conditions to hear. I have problems with background noise and hearing on the phone / voice calls. If you don't speak to me loud and clear and I'm tired, I don't understand. If I'm not tired, I can compensate with mental gymnastics. It helps understand if I can see someone's face, I think I must be lipreading to a degree. I consciously do at times. Technically the reason is auditory procesaing disorder, so I don't have hearing loss, but speech sounds so unclear that I can't understand no matter what. It's like, people say they can hear distinct voices of people at a restaurant, for me they're all blended into a noise.


Despite no hearing loss per se, it sounds the same as mild to moderate loss.

I can read, write and sign still during my nonverbal episodes though.

How long did your silence last roughly? Was it in all situations?

Interesting to compare it to shutdowns! I basically cannot talk during shutdowns or meltdowns. I understand what others are saying and I want to respond, but I basically cannot make words come out of my mouth. I wonder if this is similar to what some non-verbal autistic individuals experience 🤔
That is yet another level of overwhelm, yeah. I experience it during shutdowns or metldowns too, but it has a higher threshold. In my own book, I just call it a shutdown or a meltdown, it's more than inability to speak, it's not being able to crystyllise thoughts and articulate them in any symbolic manner too. I can think in an irrational manner and react impulsively too. So exhausted or stressed that I can't think clearly, that's what the issue is with shutdowns and meltdowns.

I increasingly come to the conclusion, though, that I don't have the usual communication issues that autistic people have. I don't have any of the issues with focus, memory, processing speed or multitasking. My senses can act up though. I noticed that apart from auditory processing issues, I have also visual processing issues, in a similar fahshion to hearing. With all senses, I'm more in tune with the world of things than the world of people. I have sharpened senses, I have a strong sense of colour, shape, rythm, pitch etc. I have very sharp sense of smell and touch. I hear the most quiet noises and notice visual details. But my neurology isn't set up to pick up interpersonal communication easily especially in large groups that are too intense of an experience for me, the noise, pushing, movement, it's an exhausting and painful experience. I'm a classical introvert, I prefer peace and quiet and feel better in such environments than busy intense ones. So going back to the neurology, I can't hear people speak in noise and I have mild face blindness too. Faces don't quite stand out to me. Especially in a crowd. I pick up other elements of nonverbal communication better though. It's the sensory part that is the issue for me, I'm just not set up this way. But none of the usual problems on the mental or thought process level.
 
It depends

There are people who can't speak and don't understand much language.

For me it's episodes that can be frequent and last long. They're mostly caused by fatigue and feeling overwhelmed. I understand language or else I wouldn't be writing here. But I'm hard of hearing and need good conditions to hear. I have problems with background noise and hearing on the phone / voice calls. If you don't speak to me loud and clear and I'm tired, I don't understand. If I'm not tired, I can compensate with mental gymnastics. It helps understand if I can see someone's face, I think I must be lipreading to a degree. I consciously do at times. Technically the reason is auditory procesaing disorder, so I don't have hearing loss, but speech sounds so unclear that I can't understand no matter what. It's like, people say they can hear distinct voices of people at a restaurant, for me they're all blended into a noise.


Despite no hearing loss per se, it sounds the same as mild to moderate loss.

I can read, write and sign still during my nonverbal episodes though.


That is yet another level of overwhelm, yeah. I experience it during shutdowns or metldowns too, but it has a higher threshold. In my own book, I just call it a shutdown or a meltdown, it's more than inability to speak, it's not being able to crystyllise thoughts and articulate them in any symbolic manner too. I can think in an irrational manner and react impulsively too. So exhausted or stressed that I can't think clearly, that's what the issue is with shutdowns and meltdowns.

I increasingly come to the conclusion, though, that I don't have the usual communication issues that autistic people have. I don't have any of the issues with focus, memory, processing speed or multitasking. My senses can act up though. I noticed that apart from auditory processing issues, I have also visual processing issues, in a similar fahshion to hearing. With all senses, I'm more in tune with the world of things than the world of people. I have sharpened senses, I have a strong sense of colour, shape, rythm, pitch etc. I have very sharp sense of smell and touch. I hear the most quiet noises and notice visual details. But my neurology isn't set up to pick up interpersonal communication easily especially in large groups that are too intense of an experience for me, the noise, pushing, movement, it's an exhausting and painful experience. I'm a classical introvert, I prefer peace and quiet and feel better in such environments than busy intense ones. So going back to the neurology, I can't hear people speak in noise and I have mild face blindness too. Faces don't quite stand out to me. Especially in a crowd. I pick up other elements of nonverbal communication better though. It's the sensory part that is the issue for me, I'm just not set up this way. But none of the usual problems on the mental or thought process level.
Thank you so much for your response! I will respond more asap ☺️
 
“There are people who can't speak and don't understand much language.”

Thank you for this clarification, that helps.

“For me it's episodes that can be frequent and last long. They're mostly caused by fatigue and feeling overwhelmed.”

Yes that totally makes sense

“I understand language or else I wouldn't be writing here. But I'm hard of hearing and need good conditions to hear. I have problems with background noise and hearing on the phone / voice calls. If you don't speak to me loud and clear and I'm tired, I don't understand.”

I experience similar! There are so many times when people talk to me and I simply cannot understand the words that come from their mouth. I frequently have to ask people to repeat themselves, sometimes multiple times. It is weird.

“It's like, people say they can hear distinct voices of people at a restaurant, for me they're all blended into a noise.”

Yes it’s wild to me that people can hear at restaurants! For this reason restaurants make me uncomfortable. My fiancée can actually listen to multiple conversations at once in such settings 🤯 it baffles me.

“I can read, write and sign still during my nonverbal episodes though.”

That’s so interesting! I’ve found it is much easier to text than talk during my meltdowns. I’m curious why that is! I will have to remember to use texting more in this.

“That is yet another level of overwhelm, yeah. I experience it during shutdowns or metldowns too, but it has a higher threshold. In my own book, I just call it a shutdown or a meltdown, it's more than inability to speak, it's not being able to crystyllise thoughts and articulate them in any symbolic manner too.”

Totally!!

“I increasingly come to the conclusion, though, that I don't have the usual communication issues that autistic people have. I don't have any of the issues with focus, memory, processing speed or multitasking. My senses can act up though. I noticed that apart from auditory processing issues, I have also visual processing issues, in a similar fahshion to hearing. With all senses, I'm more in tune with the world of things than the world of people. I have sharpened senses, I have a strong sense of colour, shape, rythm, pitch etc. I have very sharp sense of smell and touch. I hear the most quiet noises and notice visual details. But my neurology isn't set up to pick up interpersonal communication easily especially in large groups that are too intense of an experience for me, the noise, pushing, movement, it's an exhausting and painful experience. I'm a classical introvert, I prefer peace and quiet and feel better in such environments than busy intense ones. So going back to the neurology, I can't hear people speak in noise and I have mild face blindness too. Faces don't quite stand out to me. Especially in a crowd. I pick up other elements of nonverbal communication better though. It's the sensory part that is the issue for me, I'm just not set up this way. But none of the usual problems on the mental or thought process level.”

So interesting, thank you for sharing! I relate to a lot of what you wrote, but I do not typically have the “sharpened senses… strong sense of colour, shape, rythm, pitch etc.” (except for when they overstimulate me). I think it’s neat that you have that, I hope it somehow helps you in some ways.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, I appreciate it! ☺️
 
I experience similar! There are so many times when people talk to me and I simply cannot understand the words that come from their mouth. I frequently have to ask people to repeat themselves, sometimes multiple times. It is weird.
Lots of people have auditory processing issues or some degree of hearing loss, it's not weird ;)

Yes it’s wild to me that people can hear at restaurants! For this reason restaurants make me uncomfortable. My fiancée can actually listen to multiple conversations at once in such settings 🤯 it baffles me.
It baffles me too, I'm lucky if I hear the person next to me.

I'm glad I could help somehow.
 
I’ve just spent three weeks in hospital. When very unwell I’m pretty much non verbal. Not the same thing though. The rest of the time I’m like Outdated, opposite problem.
 
I go non-verbal when I'm stressed out/shut down. I know exactly what I want to say: it's like the words are all queued up in a nice coherent sentence behind my teeth. They just refuse to go out into the wide world, and I'm stuck there, silent, and it feels like my eyes are almost bulging with the pressure to speak. But the words are just going, "Nope. Shan't. We're staying in here, behind the teeth, where it's nice and warm."
 
I didn’t did anything wrong, it was all because of lack of understanding on her end and my inability to speak under the stressful interaction. Our relationship has not been the same since 😞 she still does not know about my autism, and I am debating whether to tell her. I just feel judged by her a lot. Sorry this response is kinda unrelated. Feels good to share it somewhere. Thank you for listening.
Maybe figure out how to tell her (at least some things)? People can't make good decisions/do good acts without good information. In some ways, it's not fair on her to expect her to understand your particular autism-related difficulties if you haven't explained them to her.
Absolutely. That we are mentally multitasking to a point where we are overwhelmed and it results in us losing some element of communication in the process. And some more than others in the case of those with the most difficulties in being non-verbal.
There's some evidence that autistic people are more single-channel than neurotypicals. There's that thing where you can listen to someone or look at them, but not both!

I think there's also, like you say, an element of having to do so much at once that some of the circuits just overload and short out.
It seemed like just a few minutes later the book was snatched out of my hands by a very angry girlfriend, she said "You haven't heard a single word I said!". I looked up in pure innocence and said "No, I didn't even know you were home yet." She hurled the book across the room and said "You were &^%$#& answering me!".
The ability to have your ears listen to a conversation and your mouth even respond more-or-less relevantly without your brain being involved in either process is not, apparently, just an autistic thing. In The Fifth Element, Terry Pratchett notes (regarding one of his characters):

Sam Vimes could parallel process. Most husbands can. They learn to follow their own line of thought while at the same time listening to what their wives say. And the listening is important, because at any time they could be challenged and must be ready to quote the last sentence in full. A vital additional skill is being able to scan the dialogue for telltale phrases such as "and they can deliver it tomorrow" or "so I've invited them for dinner?" or "they can do it in blue, really quite cheaply."
 

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