One thing that scared me to the core.

[Atrapa Almas]

The scary thing is that when I watched documentaries of people becoming serial killers, they start to have a fixed, false belief of whom they are targeting and why. I asked my mom why when people kill three or more innocent people, something about their beliefs is delusional, and she explained to me that they have personality disorders that causes delusional thinking and that no one without those types of personality disorders would want to do that to innocent people.

Those personality disorders are Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, with symptom of delusions.

Those serial killers that got NGRI were diagnosed with personality disorders, with delusions as a symptom.

In the Antisocial personality disorder spectrum, Narcisist would be the less severe part of the spectrum (like ASD1 on Autism spectrum). Its very rare that narcissistics become serial killers.

 

[Oz67]

In the Antisocial personality disorder spectrum, Narcisist would be the less severe part of the spectrum (like ASD1 on Autism spectrum). Its very rare that narcissistics become serial killers.

It's actually very informative.

 

[Oz67]

The thing that scares me are the sociopaths. The people hiding in plain sight who use others for personal gain. I have been exposed to enough CEOs to think that their ranks are enriched with sociopaths. Somebody like David Calhoun, responsible for the 737 Max killing 346 people, and then lying about it, scares me far more than pondering serial killers. I believe the societal destruction by people like Calhoun, or Bezos, is far more damaging than serial killers can imagine.

That awfully sounds like Delusion of granduer. Doing anything what you want for your delusion of granduer. Severe pathological narcissism.

I hope that I am explaining it correctly.

 

[Oz67]

In the Antisocial personality disorder spectrum, Narcisist would be the less severe part of the spectrum (like ASD1 on Autism spectrum). Its very rare that narcissistics become serial killers.

On those documentaries that I watched, those serial killers meet for both diagnostic criteria for ASPD and NPD on the scale, with delusions as a symptom. All of them are found NGRI, some of them were found guilty at first.

 

[Gerald Wilgus]

That awfully sounds like Delusion of granduer. Doing anything what you want for your delusion of granduer. Severe pathological narcissism.

I hope that I am explaining it correctly.

Somehow I think it is more. Abusing workers, illegally manipulating markets, putting out a deliberately unsafe designs, merely to amass wealth, is degenerate.

 

[Owliet]

I Much prefer the forensic science withIn crime solving, and I do enjoy watching true crime documentaries.

Recently in Miami, a elderly gentleman lost his wife. Went to the funeral home for arrangements and the funeral employee convinced him that she was his friend. Moved into his home, took a mortgage on the home and sold the home. She was arrested due to a nephew checking up on him. He has dementia and he is unable to get his home back.

That poor man. She obviously thought she could get away with it. It’s a shame that the law isn’t in place to protect people that are vulnerable from people like her....

The thing that scares me are the sociopaths.

Yes, and those who twist information to suit themselves.

The scary thing is that when I watched documentaries of people becoming serial killers, they start to have a fixed, false belief of whom they are targeting and why

Like Ted Bundy, it is quite scary how they can fixate on a certain person who they perceive to be in the wrong for all their problems. Then you have the cannibals like Dalhmer...I don’t want to think about what goes through someone’s mind to think “yes I will eat a person “

 

[Oz67]

Somehow I think it is more. Abusing workers, illegally manipulating markets, putting out a deliberately unsafe designs, merely to amass wealth, is degenerate.

That is what meant to say, but more broadly.

 

[Owliet]

Eh?

 

[Gerald Wilgus]

Manipulative love interest in form of girlfriend, wife, or best friend scares me.
Especially knowing they can use my diagnosed autism against me.

That is why I was lucky that I did not get into a relationship before I started maturing socially, especially as I found that intimacy, to be the best it can be, means letting somebody past emotional and physical boundaries. The challenge was recognizing somebody who is worth that risk.

 

[Oz67]

I Much prefer the forensic science withIn crime solving, and I do enjoy watching true crime documentaries.



That poor man. She obviously thought she could get away with it. It’s a shame that the law isn’t in place to protect people that are vulnerable from people like her....


Yes, and those who twist information to suit themselves.


Like Ted Bundy, it is quite scary how they can fixate on a certain person who they perceive to be in the wrong for all their problems. Then you have the cannibals like Dalhmer...I don’t want to think about what goes through someone’s mind to think “yes I will eat a person “

That is that type of prosecutory delusions I am talking about, he fixated on innocent people that did nothing to him.

 

[Owliet]

Again, I prefer forensics to criminal psychology but that’s just me.

I think it's because to be a serial killer, you need to be very intelligent

actually, It’s a bit of a myth that they’re all super intelligent beings. The majority of serial killers have average intelligence like the normal population. But similar to insanity those who truly are are the minority.

 

[Oz67]

Again, I prefer forensics to criminal psychology but that’s just me.



actually, It’s a bit of a myth that they’re all super intelligent beings. The majority of serial killers have average intelligence like the normal population. But similar to insanity those who truly are are the minority.

I didn't mean like a savant, but need to be intelligent enough to be a serial killer.

 

[Owliet]

That is tht type of prosecutory delusions I am talking about, he fixed on innocent people that did nothing to him

Ah, I see it isn’t clear but I’m assuming you’re referring to Ted Bundy? It would have made more sense if he had just murdered his ex.


I suppose this also brings the debate regarding nature versus nurture in relation to what turns someone into a serial killer .anyway, here’s a fun read:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/the-making-serial-killer

 

[Owliet]

I didn't mean like a savant, but need to be intelligent enough to be a serial killer.

Then you have to question the overall general intelligence of the normal populace. I read somewhere once *ill try to dig up the article * that there’s a difference between organized and disorganized serial killers that determines their level of intelligence.

 

[Oz67]

Ah, I see it isn’t clear but I’m assuming you’re referring to Ted Bundy? It would have made more sense if he had just murdered his ex.


I suppose this also brings the debate regarding nature versus nurture in relation to what turns someone into a serial killer .anyway, here’s a fun read:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/the-making-serial-killer

I believe that Ted should have been declared NGRI, I found out that he was suffering from delusions, but he died thirty years ago in prison.

 

[Owliet]

I believe that Ted should have been declared NGRI, I found out that he was suffering from delusions, but he died thirty years ago in prison.

At least he was useful to show how serial killers worked. I think he was helpful with the Greenriver killer?

 

[Oz67]

At least he was useful to show how serial killers worked. I think he was helpful with the Greenriver killer?

Who is Greenriver killer?

 

[Owliet]

Gary Ridgway - Wikipedia

 

[Owliet]

Here’s the link: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...06/serial-killers-insane-or-super-intelligent

 

[Oz67]

Here’s the link: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...06/serial-killers-insane-or-super-intelligent

I don't really think it has to do with being a savant per say, being a serial criminal and hurting innocent people is very unhealthy, because you start to twist your fantasies and then act on your thoughts, making delusional excuses why you became a serial criminal and hurting innocent people. It's reasons that a very healthy individual, individual without personality disorders that causes twisted fantasies will not understand. There is no good reason to hurt innocent people repeatedly, and it's not healthy.