Sigma males & females

[Hypnalis]

@thejuice

and @Jonn (up to a point)

I found a "classification video" but it seems they've taken it too far: IMO there are too many classifications for any of them to be useful /sigh.

IRL there are many varieties of men who are capable and self-confident because they're capable.
All independent, capable people are "Alpha-proof".
Most capable people are either not Betas, or are able to manage the consequences of preferring not to be leaders.

Men self-organize by capability for the task at hand, and can integrate leaders and capable people into that easily.
IMO the interesting additional classifiers are talents like diplomats, mediators, organizers, etc. That kind of innate inclination contributes naturally to a group without negatively influencing "technical efficiency".

To me, Omega and Sigma look like synthetic constructions built from the questionable Alpha/Beta model.

 

[Jonn]

IMO "YouTube Sigma Males" aren't really a thing. They're just a niche for getting attention for videos.

Of course you would say that.
I am sure you don't mean to be, but you are coming across as condescending.
Plz respect my Sigma boundaries.

What I am doing here is a "Work in progress".
I am researching a subject and can come to my own conclusions when I gather enough information.

 

[Hypnalis]

@Outdated

I thought of you when I wrote "Alpha proof

Aimless aggression melts in the face of confident competence /lol.

 

[Jonn]

Id probably like to think it's me choosing not to have friends but likelihood is I'm incapable of connecting, even if we have shared interests. I connect okay with some other autistics.

The videos aren't talking about those on the spectrum, even if many traits may be shared.
Take what is said with an NT grain of salt.

 

[Outdated]

@Outdated

I thought of you when I wrote "Alpha proof

Aimless aggression melts in the face of confident competence /lol.

I didn't respond to this thread earlier because that sort of thing has always been irrelevant to me. I wear different hats for different tasks, it seems to be a very common NT game and I can play any role I please. Shocks quite a few people when I go all Alpha on them.

 

[Jonn]

BTW there's no such thing as an actual human Alpha Male in the sense that e.g. Chimps and Gorillas have Alphas.
YouTube's Alphas are the "Handsome Prince" from fairly tales.

If you look around you, you may be surprised at how some men seem to portray Alpha Male stereotypes.
No, I am not talking about you.

 

[Hypnalis]

Of course you would say that.
I am sure you don't mean to be, but you are coming across as condescending.
Plz respect my Sigma boundaries.

What I am doing here is a "Work in progress".
I am researching a subject and can come to my own conclusions when I gather enough information.

I don't do the traditional status negotiations online and naturally I accept the consequences.

I looked at a couple of "Sigma" videos a while ago, but either they were specialized, or the only classifications at the time were Alpha, Beta, and Sigma. The videos I watched actually described "Dark Triad" psychopaths (the kind that has a normal upbringing, and can live a normal life).

People like that aren't too far from HFA in some ways, but there are big differences too.

 

[Jonn]

The videos I watched actually described "Dark Triad" psychopaths (the kind that has a normal upbringing, and can live a normal life.

"The Dark Triad" is something that I have started looking into as a result of coming across it while I was collecting further data on ritual abuse.
I am also in the process of researching "Dark Psychology".

Many people would call all those concepts conspiracy theories, but we know better...

Spoiler

...I hope...

 

[Jonn]

I don't do the traditional status negotiations online and naturally I accept the consequences.

And yet you make the same mistake over and over with me.
Never mess with someone with well defined boundaries who stands their ground.

 

[Jonn]

The Police had a song "Omega Man"

This is a photo of me when I was the Omega Man:

 

[thejuice]

I didn't respond to this thread earlier because that sort of thing has always been irrelevant to me. I wear different hats for different tasks, it seems to be a very common NT game and I can play any role I please. Shocks quite a few people when I go all Alpha on them.

I think it's effective to have gears you can cycle through, 3rd,4th, 5th.. you might potter around like a gentleman in 3rd but I think it's important to have a few extra that you might not need, especially if line crossers know that.

 

[thejuice]

It's hard for me to see how intelligence can lead to lack of friends. That didn't seem to be a problem for Jesus, Buddha, or Socrates.

That's often a cope on Facebook 'Like this post if you am too smort and have no friends'

 

[thejuice]

This is a photo of me when I was the Omega Man:

What a handsome chap!

 

[Jonn]

What a handsome chap!

Sadly, I've gone down hill since then.

 

[Hypnalis]

And yet you make the same mistake over and over with me.
Never mess with someone with well defined boundaries who stands their ground.

I'm not "messing" with you.
How you react is up to you OFC, but I don't see how this could lead to a conflict of interest.

 

[Hypnalis]

@Jonn

Here's a good TED talk by a famous primatologist (Frans de Waal) about Alphas in non-human primates.

These are definitely not the same thing as "human Alphas" of course. The differences are so big I'm still not sure what "Alpha" is supposed to mean in YouTube videos about human society.

"Natural Leaders" are a thing, but IMO whatever they are isn't based on aggression or dominance games.
You see people trying to use those to their advantage sometimes, but it always turns out to be just maneuvering for position in a small-scale "pecking order" (and Lobsters famously do that /lol)

Maybe you've seen the video of Andrew Wilson interacting with a much larger, very aggressive guy in a group discussion? Mostly just entertaining, but it sort of connects with Lobsters and human competency-based organization too

 

[Kayla55]

If we had handful of good friends as opposed to popularity contest, then it wouldn't be so bad. Even other cultures have nt standards to fit in or relate, so often just left feeling like misfit.
Some people also friendly and accepting but then they want you to be this one's girlfriend, and propose foreign lifestyle that places daily toll on autism.

I'm pessimistic but see less benefits to being autistic everyday, kind of recognising it more of disability. Then IQ was if ever got paid my worth or market value, if I could enter workplace with genzed values in jobs, might not have being so bad. Years of unemployment and burden are not fun.

 

[Tired]

Sadly, I've gone down hill since then.

We need proofs!

 

[Kayla55]

I do prefer a sigma male/more sensitive type. But I think if you guys start dating late the women already gathered bad experiences, being messed around.
Sadly men want sex and women give kids unconditional love, even when her petrol tank is empty, she gives gives gives
One day she wakes up and goes what happened to nice guy theory

 

[Magna]

Based on my limited understanding (due to my limited interest on the subject) of a "Sigma male", I think I've only met one once in real life. My understanding is that according to the myth, Sigma males are prized above Alpha males by a lot of women. Of course all the other criteria that a lot of women have including physical attraction would come into play so I don't think unattractive guys who simply don't have any friends would be excluded from being a "Sigma male" in that sense.

The "Sigma male" I met through my work at the time. I'm not sure about his friends situation, but he was single (dating a woman), very handsome, lived on a lake, built his own "A" frame lake home which was a testament to craftsmanship, was rebuilding the engine of a classic American muscle car for fun and he was a commercial airline pilot for his work. He also owned his own float plane which he flew and which he docked right at his lake home. The guy was astoundingly capable and seemed perfectly content with being single and with his lifestyle.