Sigma males & females

[Jonn]

Omega man here - the last surviving human.

"I don't think so, Tim."

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[Jonn]

Someone who is boisterous, loud, all "puffed up", makes fun of others, is a bully, is rude and obnoxious, jumps in and takes control, is NOT "alpha", quite the opposite.

This was my understanding, not that I have researched the subject.
I do know of one particular streamer who has hijacked the concept of "Alpha Males", however, but I doubt he is representing the definition correctly.

 

[thejuice]

I am very curious, also.
The thought never occurred to me regarding the Sigma construct.
Perhaps the comment was in reference to the Alpha terminology?

This would be a great opportunity to sort this out.
Why do at least 3 ppl believe the subject matter is a problem?

My best guess is that they have personal experiences that go beyond our own, hence, making us blind to why such passionate feelings have erupted.

To be clear, my intention was to delve into the psychology behind the Sigma concept, something I happened upon on the day I created this thread.



Agreed...

Plz present the argument.
Let it speak for itself.
Let the mystery be solved!

I'm interested too, the videos seemed pretty tame, perhaps a new coat of paint on the self improvement concept. I'd genuinely like to hear why it's controversial, now that I have become Sigma man

 

[Neri]

I'm probably a bit of all of them, if I'm gonna try be accurate. Defs a bit on the sigma side, but can alpha with the best of them too, just need to recharge a lot from alphaing with plenty of sigmaing.
What are the other ones?

I do prefer sigma-y men though, and I stick to myself with no friend expectations required of me, coz I won't compete for the alpha role and I won't accept other women trying to dominate me, in any way. With the life I've lived and the experiences and wisdom I draw on, I will cleave to, and lean into wise mind, in myself and other's, and I think, sigma-yness lends itself to people on the wisdom path. People who are inwardly led, rather than other-led. So, I respect both women and men who demonstrate wise ways of being, some, who are more extroverted and some more introverted, some more leadership-y and other's more lone wolfy, but, I tend to be a bit of both.

 

[Jonn]

I do prefer sigma-y men though, and I stick to myself with no friend expectations required of me, coz I won't compete for the alpha role and I won't accept other women trying to dominate me, in any way.

Well, that does describe a Sigma Female.

With the life I've lived and the experiences and wisdom I draw on, I will cleave to, and lean into wise mind, in myself and other's, and I think, sigma-yness lends itself to people on the wisdom path.

Self-actualisation seems to be a focus of Sigmas, and that has an extremely high priority for me, too.
Box ticked again.

People who are inwardly led, rather than other-led. So, I respect both women and men who demonstrate wise ways of being, some, who are more extroverted and some more introverted, some more leadership-y and other's more lone wolfy, but, I tend to be a bit of both.

Sigmas tend to have an internal locus of identity rather than an external one.
I have.
Another boxed ticked for me.

 

[thejuice]

This was my understanding, not that I have researched the subject.
I do know of one particular streamer who has hijacked the concept of "Alpha Males", however, but I doubt he is representing the definition correctly.

Oh yes lots of loud puffed up streamers. I guess it's easy in a synthetic environment

I'm probably a bit of all of them, if I'm gonna try be accurate. Defs a bit on the sigma side, but can alpha with the best of them too, just need to recharge a lot from alphaing with plenty of sigmaing.
What are the other ones?

I do prefer sigma-y men though, and I stick to myself with no friend expectations required of me, coz I won't compete for the alpha role and I won't accept other women trying to dominate me, in any way. With the life I've lived and the experiences and wisdom I draw on, I will cleave to, and lean into wise mind, in myself and other's, and I think, sigma-yness lends itself to people on the wisdom path. People who are inwardly led, rather than other-led. So, I respect both women and men who demonstrate wise ways of being, some, who are more extroverted and some more introverted, some more leadership-y and other's more lone wolfy, but, I tend to be a bit of both.

I really relate to not accepting being domineered, it's why I have fallen foul of a lot of people. It's made friendship groups and work environments particularly difficult and I always preferred working on my own. Someone always tries a power play when they have no right or there is a bully boss and I'm not particularly diplomatic! I used to work in an industry where bullying is rife but you can get a new job lined up before you even walk out the door.

 

[Judge]

But we are not doing that in this thread.
Here, it is a rather lighthearted investigation into this construct.
An information sharing exercise.

Just saw your post, BTW.

Point taken.

Reminding me that I post my Meyer-Briggs assessment only out of personal amusement and not any sense of conviction.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

This was my understanding, not that I have researched the subject.
I do know of one particular streamer who has hijacked the concept of "Alpha Males", however, but I doubt he is representing the definition correctly.

Agree, if I am thinking of the same person, I believe. His underlying message is, for the most part, on point, Stoic values, responsibility, etc. but unfortunately, it gets lost amongst all the bravado and in-your-face obnoxiousness, almost defensiveness, and rather bully-like behavior. People reacting at an emotional level, just see the behavior and then use him as an example of "toxic masculinity" and gloss over the message he is trying to convey, which is actually correct in many cases.

 

[Jonn]

Oh yes lots of loud puffed up streamers. I guess it's easy in a synthetic environment

I really relate to not accepting being domineered, it's why I have fallen foul of a lot of people. It's made friendship groups and work environments particularly difficult and I always preferred working on my own. Someone always tries a power play when they have no right or there is a bully boss and I'm not particularly diplomatic! I used to work in an industry where bullying is rife but you can get a new job lined up before you even walk out the door.

Much more difficult being assertive in a work environment, I have found, not that I have to worry about that any longer, since I am my own boss these days.

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How does one become assertive against oneself?
Perhaps, if I had a Dissociative Identity Disorder.

 

[Jonn]

People reacting at an emotional level, just see the behavior and then use him as an example of "toxic masculinity" and gloss over the message he is trying to convey, which is actually correct in many cases.

You have rationalists...
And you have emotionalists...
Such is life. <shrug>

"Little Professor" rationalists are quite common in the autistic community, I have found.

 

[Jonn]

Based on this video, I am a 70% Sigma Female.

Signs You Are a Sigma Female! Welcome to The Enigma of Sigma Females: Welcome to my channel Eternal Stoicism and for today's video, I will take you through the fascinating world of Sigma Females, the rarest female lone wolf type). Together let us explore their rare and intriguing qualities through the lens of Stoicism. I hope that you will join me all the way through as I undercover for you the profound emotional connections and empathic abilities possessed by Sigma females and that you might connect with as yourself and discover how you resonate with the Sigma Female archetype.

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[Jonn]

Am I a true Sigma female?

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The jury is out.

You're Definitely NOT a Sigma Female If You Do THIS. The Sigma Female Test: Are You One?In this video, we explore the signs and characteristics of a Sigma female, and debunk common misconceptions. Contrasting the Alpha and Beta female traits, we highlight key behaviors that do not align with the Sigma mindset. Stay until the end of the video and learn the 3 misconceptions.

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[Hypnalis]

@Jonn

Interesting video (full disclosure: I only watched a few minutes of it).

The names of the suggested videos that came up look very similar what came up when I watched a few "Sigma Male" videos. Are the female ones copies? The style of the one linked above is very similar.

On the plus side, it seems we're off the hook for being misogynists and incels, which would be a relief if I'd believed the accusation.
Or maybe the female Sigma profile is incompatible with Feminism, and they're all insings and one of misogynists or misandrists (or both? - asymmetric ideologies get confusing sometimes

 

[Jonn]

@Jonn

Interesting video (full disclosure: I only watched a few minutes of it).

The names of the suggested videos that came up look very similar what came up when I watched a few "Sigma Male" videos. Are the female ones copies? The style of the one linked above is very similar.

Yes, they both seem very similar.
This is why I am having an identity crisis.
Am I a Sigma male or female!

But these various videos are showing a pattern:
They seem to say that Sigma males and females are comfortable with their own company, like solitude to recharge, refuse to be dominated, are happy to be in the background, and by inference, don't need to project a social persona to impress others.
They are comfortable with working quietly, and are happy to give the limelight and credit to others.

On the plus side, it seems we're off the hook for being misogynists and incels, which would be a relief if I'd believed the accusation.
Or maybe the female Sigma profile is incompatible with Feminism, and they're all insings and one of misogynists or misandrists (or both? - asymmetric ideologies get confusing sometimes

Sigma Females are portrayed as rational, rather than emotionalistic, and someone you would want in an emergency.

I don't see any negativity in the Sigma concept, to date.
It seems to be a personality profile construct that is inspirational, and something to work towards.

"Fascinating."

 

[Jonn]

Sigma Females: The Lone Wolf - Unseen Powerhouses (Stoic)​

▬▬▬7 Characteristics of a Sigma Female ▬▬▬▬▬These characteristics can vary depending on individual perspectives. Here are ten characteristics that are often associated with the idea of a Sigma female:

1- Independence: Sigma females are often seen as fiercely independent individuals who don't rely on others for their sense of self or fulfillment.

2 - Self-Reliance: They are self-reliant and capable of taking care of themselves both emotionally and financially.

3 - Non-Conformity: Sigma females may not conform to traditional gender roles or societal expectations. They often chart their own path in life.

4 - Introversion: Many Sigma females are described as introverted or having qualities associated with introversion, such as valuing solitude and introspection.

5 - Intelligence: They are often portrayed as intelligent and capable of critical thinking, which contributes to their independent mindset.

6 - Confidence: Sigma females are believed to exude confidence in their decisions and actions, often unswayed by the opinions or judgments of others

7 - Mystery: They are seen as enigmatic and mysterious individuals, often keeping their true thoughts and feelings guarded.

00:00:00 The Enigma of Sigma Females
00:02:29 Unraveling the Levels of Sigma Females
00:04:44 The Power of Stoicism in Sigma Females
00:07:07 The Success of Sigma Females
00:09:36 The Sigma Female - A Summary
00:12:01 Conclusion

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[thejuice]

Imagine being in a storm in the middle of the ocean. The Sigma Female doesnt waste their energy getting upset at the storm because it won't make it go away. They concentrate on remaining calm and steering the boat and it's passengers to safety. I like that, Sigma goals. @Jonn

 

[thejuice]

Am I a true Sigma female?

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The jury is out.

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My Sigma cred has been debunked. I am definitely not Sigma...


YET!

 

[Jonn]

My Sigma cred has been debunked. I am definitely not Sigma...


YET!

<comfort>
We can't all be me.

 

[thejuice]

<comfort>
We can't all be me.

I am in the 99.9%

 

[Jonn]

I am in the 99.9%

Close, but no cigar.