Sigma males & females

[Jonn]

I am Sigma until im forced into a group and then im beta. Ive tried taking a leader role before but it didnt work out

I am a Sigma in a group...

Spoiler

Then I am a Sigma that has been thrown out of that group.

 

[thejuice]

Well i annoy a lot of people so perhaps im Sigma in a group. All i know is i usually have no influence. One of the reasons i walk the path alone is i get to do what i want and manage my ASD symptoms the way i like it

 

[thejuice]

I think Tate is a cartoon caricature of an alpha

 

[Jonn]

I think Tate is a cartoon caricature

He gives the Alpha concept a bad name.
He has misappropriated the construct, I believe, but I don't know that much about it. <shrug>

 

[DrBadStrings]

So, in your opinion, there is no such thing as a "personality profile"?

There is a large difference between not believing in the alpha/beta stuff, and saying there is no such thing as a personality profile. I hope you can understand that. All of these groupings are just arbitrary labels and not universals.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

There is a large difference between not believing in the alpha/beta stuff, and saying there is no such thing as a personality profile. I hope you can understand that. All of these groupings are just arbitrary labels and not universals.

I guess I was lumping in the "alpha/beta/sigma" as a personality profile. In both cases, whether it be a Meyer-Briggs or this, there is a list of traits that contribute to and identify "a type of person".

 

[DrBadStrings]

I guess I was lumping in the "alpha/beta/sigma" as a personality profile. In both cases, whether it be a Meyer-Briggs or this, there is a list of traits that contribute to and identify "a type of person".

I come at it from the perspective of cultural anthropology studies from my university past which was always looking at how cultures functioned and what components, if any, were found everywhere or not. Both in the way a group would structure themselves collectively and the individual themselves. Early on there was a lot of just bad research done with a tainted western worldview that led to some of these current alpha/beta type thinking. In the end only real universal is that people generally don't want to live alone. But every culture and group had it's on way of doing things and these categories and groups are only ever abstract models. A framework by which you can discuss a group of people, but nothing that is inherently universal and many other models could be substituted as long as folks at the table are all working with the same model. And where these models ultimately fail, is in capturing the nuance of life and personality, role and responsibility.

The dangers of thinking models like alpha/beta are universal is then so called "alpha's" then take it as an excuse to justify their actions, even when their actions may be reprehensible.

 

[thejuice]

As a Sigma I can say with 100% certainty its real.

 

[FayetheAspie]

I am no expert here.

In a nutshell:
Yes.
Alphas are leaders...
Betas are followers...
Sigmas do their own thang.

What about deltas and gammas?

 

[TBRS1]

What about deltas and gammas?

Omega man here - the last surviving human.

 

[GrownupGirl]

I hate how this misogynist incel speak refuses to die.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

I come at it from the perspective of cultural anthropology studies from my university past which was always looking at how cultures functioned and what components, if any, were found everywhere or not. Both in the way a group would structure themselves collectively and the individual themselves. Early on there was a lot of just bad research done with a tainted western worldview that led to some of these current alpha/beta type thinking. In the end only real universal is that people generally don't want to live alone. But every culture and group had it's on way of doing things and these categories and groups are only ever abstract models. A framework by which you can discuss a group of people, but nothing that is inherently universal and many other models could be substituted as long as folks at the table are all working with the same model. And where these models ultimately fail, is in capturing the nuance of life and personality, role and responsibility.

The dangers of thinking models like alpha/beta are universal is then so called "alpha's" then take it as an excuse to justify their actions, even when their actions may be reprehensible.

You touched upon a misconception here. That being "alpha" means that, in a sense, one is a bully. Someone who is boisterous, loud, all "puffed up", makes fun of others, is a bully, is rude and obnoxious, jumps in and takes control, is NOT "alpha", quite the opposite. It's all a mask to hide a scared, insecure, weak individual. In the US, we have a political candidate that is the definition of this. People say, "Oh, well he's an "alpha"." "He's got big **** energy." I'm autistic and can tell he's everything but that. He's got a lot of twisted emotional baggage put on him from an abusive father. "Winners and losers."

The guy who walks around like a modern day urban soldier carrying around a weapon, driving around a lifted pickup truck, all puffed up and ready to fight, and putting on an intimidating mask. That's scared little person in an adult body. That's the cornered dog with their tail between their legs, snapping and barking at you. That's not alpha.

Within modern human societies, there are those who are given power (who might not be seeking it) and those that take power (because they desire control). The later, are not alphas. Watch a group of young people, say in elementary school, a church youth group, whatever. There is often that one kid that others look to for leadership. He/she didn't pursue it. There wasn't a thought in anyone's head. No one voted. No one pushed him/her into that situation. It happens organically. That kid is the alpha. He/she's the one that is the one everyone genuinely likes and they reciprocate that amongst the group. In the corporate world, the same thing. Alphas can be found at any level within the organization because they aren't seeking leadership, but others on their team look to them. Again, all this happens organically and it has nothing to do with where they are on the corporate ladder. The Navy Seal team recruitment is looking for these individuals, the person who simply rises to the top organically by their character under the most extreme of circumstances. It's almost never the biggest, strongest, most physically capable soldiers. Now, get a team of these individuals on a mission, and they are capable of achieving unimaginable things in the most hostile of environments. Alphas are genuinely nice people.

"The one who should be king is the one who doesn't want to be."

 

[Jonn]

What about deltas and gammas?

lol
You tell me.
I have only so many spoons available to use for researching.
They don't grow on trees, you know.

As I said, I haven't researched this area to any significant degree.
I am simply using the general definitions of concepts I have come across in normal life when it comes to alphas and betas.
I did look into omegas quite a long time ago, and settled on that until the sigma concept happened my way.

But I don't take these things too seriously.
They are just a bit of fun but can be tools that inspire personal growth.

 

[Jonn]

I guess I was lumping in the "alpha/beta/sigma" as a personality profile. In both cases, whether it be a Meyer-Briggs or this, there is a list of traits that contribute to and identify "a type of person".

Let us take one aspect of the alpha concept:

To me, personally, it is an indication of someone who is more suited to a leadership position.
It may have morphed into something else in its travels through the social media, over time, but that doesn't invalidate any previous definitions...
It may have simply hijacked it.

There are personality traits.
No question of that in my mind.

What is a Personality Profile?​

A personality profile is a comprehensive assessment that provides insights into an individual's psychological characteristics, behavioral tendencies, and emotional attributes. It offers a structured understanding of your unique traits, preferences, and ways of interacting with the world. A well-designed personality profile goes beyond surface-level descriptions, delving into the intricacies that shape your thoughts, feelings, and actions.

What is a Personality Profile? Theories, Tools, Examples - HiPeople

Personality traits reflect people’s characteristic patterns of thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. Personality traits imply consistency and stability—someone who scores high on a specific trait like Extraversion is expected to be sociable in different situations and over time. Thus, trait psychology rests on the idea that people differ from one another in terms of where they stand on a set of basic trait dimensions that persist over time and across situations.

Personality Traits

 

[Hypnalis]

I hate how this misogynist incel speak refuses to die.

What part of this discussion is misogynist? And why is it misogynist?

"Incel" is (very) pejorative. The word (like too many others) has been crafted to be entirely negative, and distinctly extreme. It has literally evolved into being solely a tool for misandry.

If you want to apply it to someone here you need to prove your case.
If you want to apply it to any part of a discussion about personality traits (which are independent of sex) and male-centric profiles you need to prove your case.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Let us take one aspect of the alpha concept:

To me, personally, it is an indication of someone who is more suited to a leadership position.
It may have morphed into something else in its travels through the social media, over time, but that doesn't invalidate any previous definitions...
It may have simply hijacked it.

There are personality traits.
No question of that in my mind.


What is a Personality Profile? Theories, Tools, Examples - HiPeople


Personality Traits

The key phrase here: "someone who is more suited to a leadership position." You're right. Often times this gets confused with the person actually in the leadership position who, frankly, shouldn't be. There are people who are put into leadership positions, sometimes organically, and there are those who pursue and take those leadership positions. The later, often times, should NOT be leaders.

 

[RESleight]

 

[Jonn]

What part of this discussion is misogynist? And why is it misogynist?

I am very curious, also.
The thought never occurred to me regarding the Sigma construct.
Perhaps the comment was in reference to the Alpha terminology?

This would be a great opportunity to sort this out.
Why do at least 3 ppl believe the subject matter is a problem?

My best guess is that they have personal experiences that go beyond our own, hence, making us blind to why such passionate feelings have erupted.

To be clear, my intention was to delve into the psychology behind the Sigma concept, something I happened upon on the day I created this thread.

"Incel" is (very) pejorative. The word (like too many others) has been crafted to be entirely negative, and distinctly extreme. It has literally evolved into being solely a tool for misandry.

If you want to apply it to someone here you need to prove your case.
If you want to apply it to any part of a discussion about personality traits (which are independent of sex) and male-centric profiles you need to prove your case.

Agreed...

Plz present the argument.
Let it speak for itself.
Let the mystery be solved!

 

[Jonn]

The key phrase here: "someone who is more suited to a leadership position." You're right. Often times this gets confused with the person actually in the leadership position who, frankly, shouldn't be.

Nicely put.

 

[Jonn]

The dangers of thinking models like alpha/beta are universal is then so called "alpha's" then take it as an excuse to justify their actions, even when their actions may be reprehensible.

But we are not doing that in this thread.
Here, it is a rather lighthearted investigation into this construct.
An information sharing exercise.

Just saw your post, BTW.