So, I think I'm autistic and I need some input

[VictorR]

The presence of Level-3 Autism causes issues in this area, mainly because Level-3 Autism is so different from Level-1 Autism. For the majority, because they assume that Autism is bad, and Level-3 Autism is so debilitating and difficult for those who have it, they come to assume Level-3 Autism is "true Autism," and that we Level-1 Autistic people aren't even Autistic; especially when many of us say that we're happy and comfortable with being who we are.

Once again, I'm going to have to ask you for support for your claim about "the majority" who believe that ASD1 is not autism.

This is actually a second request, because less than two months ago you made very similar unsubstantiated comments where I asked you to provide support for your statements and you didn't provide any.

https://www.autismforums.com/thread...ng-autism-acceptance.41047/page-3#post-890319

Disneyland has actually censored the use of the Autistic Infinity Symbol, as they fear it will upset parents of Level-3 Autistic kids.

I would also like to request support for your claim that
1) Disneyland censored use of the infinity symbol and
2) That their reason for doing so is because "they fear it will upset parents of Level-3 Autistic kids"

I look forward to your responses to both of these requests as the propositions you make are quite significant and interesting, and the latter claim regarding Disneyland, if unsupported, may constitute libel.

 

[Greatshield17]

Once again, I'm going to have to ask you for support for your claim about "the majority" who believe that ASD1 is not autism.

This is actually a second request, because less than two months ago you made very similar unsubstantiated comments where I asked you to provide support for your statements and you didn't provide any.

Most of these come from a wide variety of comments in social media, it'll be difficult for me to provide proof that way, but I can provide other evidence to show that people are indeed thinking this:

1st: There's this article here that sums the main mentality against Autism Acceptance namely, "if an Autistic says that they're happy, they either aren't really happy, or aren't really Autistic!" I disagree with this article's advocacy for a relativistic view of human nature, and I also disagree with most of this site in general, (although, while looking through this site for this article, I oddly enough spotted several articles that seemed to suggest, that some contributors to this site actually doubt that Level-1 Autism exists!), but I think this article does a good job showing that this a key part of the Anti-Autism mentality and how this ultimately stems from the narrative "Autism bad!:" Why We Need a Neurodiverse Philosophy of Autistic Happiness

2nd: How often have you heard "but you don't look Autistic?" the implication behind that is an Autistic person must look miserable and have a hard time communicating and functioning and that's how Autism should be because it's bad. You should pay closer attention to stories like these because when you dig deeper, you may find that these things are all but said out loud:

My mom blew me off when l mentioned l felt l may be ND.

3rd: Back when the new DSM-5 was being drawn-up there were fears that Level-1 Autism would be redefined, because one of the guy behind the new edition commented that Level-1 Autism had become I think, "trendy," I think was his word.

4th: This is sort of rocking the boat, and I’m not necessarily accusing anyone of anything; but take a look at these posts and the thread behind them:

I think he's referring to high functioning celebrities who come out as autistic even though they only have very mild autistic traits that aren't disabling. They may be ASD 0.5 (not autistic) but diagnosed as ASD 1 (mild autism) due to the popularity of the diagnosis. Many people think autism is over-diagnosed with psychologists diagnosing autism whenever someone is odd or gifted in any way. Some people question whether it is necessary or a good idea to diagnose these people with autism and think it would be better to just tell them they're odd or gifted.

it may be correct that Autism is a fad. That is not say that all Autism is not real, just that it's also become somewhat of a fad.

5th: Google "is Autism being over diagnosed?" and see what comes up.

I would also like to request support for your claim that
1) Disneyland censored use of the infinity symbol and
2) That their reason for doing so is because "they fear it will upset parents of Level-3 Autistic kids"

I look forward to your responses to both of these requests as the propositions you make are quite significant and interesting, and the latter claim regarding Disneyland, if unsupported, may constitute libel.

It'll take awhile to find this story but I'll get back to you on this.

 

[Aspychata]

Once again, I'm going to have to ask you for support for your claim about "the majority" who believe that ASD1 is not autism.

This is actually a second request, because less than two months ago you made very similar unsubstantiated comments where I asked you to provide support for your statements and you didn't provide any.

https://www.autismforums.com/thread...ng-autism-acceptance.41047/page-3#post-890319


I would also like to request support for your claim that
1) Disneyland censored use of the infinity symbol and
2) That their reason for doing so is because "they fear it will upset parents of Level-3 Autistic kids"

I look forward to your responses to both of these requests as the propositions you make are quite significant and interesting, and the latter claim regarding Disneyland, if unsupported, may constitute libel.

I appreciate you keeping us correctly stating facts, and references. So that we don't blindly accept things, like fake news does.

 

[Greatshield17]

I appreciate you keeping us correctly stating facts, and references. So that we don't blindly accept things, like fake news does.

It’s not fake news, I just provided plenty of evidence that people think this about Level-1 Autism. I find it suspicious that @VictorR has not responded.

 

[Aspychata]

It’s not fake news, I just provided plenty of evidence that people think this about Level-1 Autism. I find it suspicious that @VictorR has not responded.

I wasn't saying it was fake news. I was saying that we do need to provide references, otherwise the media just serves us fake news. It was a general statement, Not a statement directed to you.

Sorry if you took it that way.

 

[VictorR]

Most of these come from a wide variety of comments in social media, it'll be difficult for me to provide proof that way, but I can provide other evidence to show that people are indeed thinking this:

1st: There's this article here that sums the main mentality against Autism Acceptance namely, "if an Autistic says that they're happy, they either aren't really happy, or aren't really Autistic!" I disagree with this article's advocacy for a relativistic view of human nature, and I also disagree with most of this site in general, (although, while looking through this site for this article, I oddly enough spotted several articles that seemed to suggest, that some contributors to this site actually doubt that Level-1 Autism exists!), but I think this article does a good job showing that this a key part of the Anti-Autism mentality and how this ultimately stems from the narrative "Autism bad!:" Why We Need a Neurodiverse Philosophy of Autistic Happiness

2nd: How often have you heard "but you don't look Autistic?" the implication behind that is an Autistic person must look miserable and have a hard time communicating and functioning and that's how Autism should be because it's bad. You should pay closer attention to stories like these because when you dig deeper, you may find that these things are all but said out loud:


3rd: Back when the new DSM-5 was being drawn-up there were fears that Level-1 Autism would be redefined, because one of the guy behind the new edition commented that Level-1 Autism had become I think, "trendy," I think was his word.

4th: This is sort of rocking the boat, and I’m not necessarily accusing anyone of anything; but take a look at these posts and the thread behind them:



5th: Google "is Autism being over diagnosed?" and see what comes up.


It'll take awhile to find this story but I'll get back to you on this.

Majority means 50%+1. As in it's something that's quantifiable. Which means that the proof comes in the form of numbers.

All you've provided is a bunch of statements. I'm not seeing numbers of any sort.

At best, this would suggest that your statement was conjecture.

One can find plenty of opinions of all sorts on the internet, on every topic under the sun. But finding some examples of a certain viewpoint does not, by any means, show a majority, especially a majority of the population at large.

As I've stated previously

In my experience, most people are indifferent about autism, the same way they are indifferent about any conditions that do not directly impact them or someone close to them. It's not that they don't care, but rather, that they don't have a reason to care.

Indifference and ignorance are simply indifference and ignorance. They do not equate to hatred or dislike.

The highest prevalence rate I've seen reported in a larger jurisdiction is 2.5%

https://www.autismforums.com/threads/i-have-this-weird-obsession.39698/#post-854609
in which case the percentage of the population that is close enough to someone on the spectrum to care to form any sort of opinion is probably 10% or so. In other words, it's statistically impossible for there to be a majority opinion of any sort among the population at large.

It’s not fake news, I just provided plenty of evidence that people think this about Level-1 Autism. I find it suspicious that @VictorR has not responded.

I see you're rather quick to launch into an ad hominem attack. That's not very nice.
It's also a tactic often used by those who are unable or unwilling to answer questions directed at them.

 

[Aspychata]

Plus it's an emotional subject for us since we are included in the stats. So we need to step out of ourselves and observe the stats presented. And sometimes even the statistics are biased. But I stand more informed.

 

[Outdated]

....the ND's and want to fix us, when in hindsight, we are just sitting around wondering how we fix all these normal people....

So beautifully put. I take great offence to people trying to "fix" me when I'm not the one who was short changed at birth.

 

[Greatshield17]

in which case the percentage of the population that is close enough to someone on the spectrum to care to form any sort of opinion is probably 10% or so. In other words, it's statistically impossible for there to be a majority opinion of any sort among the population at large.

Then why is Autism Acceptance so difficult to achieve? You say people don’t care yet they care enough to want us gone from the human population!

I see you're rather quick to launch into an ad hominem attack. That's not very nice.
It's also a tactic often used by those who are unable or unwilling to answer questions directed at them

Believe what you will, I’m not going to bother arguing about this, (also, ad hominem is a fallacy, not a number) I have other more pressing things in my life to deal with like moving to Chile! I should’ve be there by now!

 

[Greatshield17]

All you've provided is a bunch of statements. I'm not seeing numbers of any sort.

It’s ironic that you complain about number yet I have yet to see any numbers proving the claim the “Autism is being over diagnosed!”

 

[Rodafina]

It’s ironic that you complain about number

Impartial third-party here, no stake in the game because I am trying to understand all sides…

I, too, like numbers and I only heard a request for them not a complaint.

I was looking for numbers because I wanted to see them because they inform me. Social media commentary, even en masse, does not add up to a Truth in my brain.

Believe what you will, I’m not going to bother arguing about this, I have other more pressing things in my life to deal with like moving to fricking Chile! I should’ve be there by now!

So, this is looking like deciding not to answer the question. Numbers are good because they are neutral and they don’t account for our insecurities or our desires.

I’ve chimed in here because my curiosity was peaked by what you’re saying… If there was substantial evidence to support it it would definitely require a different course of thinking in my mind, but I have not seen that and so it simply goes into the catalog of things that one person thought.

 

[Greatshield17]

I was looking for numbers because I wanted to see them because they inform me. Social media commentary, even en masse, does not add up to a Truth in my brain.

It’s not “social media commentary,” it’s logic and reason, hence my quip here:

Believe what you will, I’m not going to bother arguing about this, (also, ad hominem is a fallacy, not a number)

 

[Greatshield17]

So, this is looking like deciding not to answer the question.

It’s not a question, it’s an accusation, and yes, I am, ignoring it.

 

[Greatshield17]

I would also like to request support for your claim that
1) Disneyland censored use of the infinity symbol and
2) That their reason for doing so is because "they fear it will upset parents of Level-3 Autistic kids"

I look forward to your responses to both of these requests as the propositions you make are quite significant and interesting, and the latter claim regarding Disneyland, if unsupported, may constitute libel.

I am still looking for information and this (which is making me mad to be honest, that it’s this difficult to find information on this) but I have managed find a small snibbet of information on it and while I’d rather wait until I have all the information I can find, I figured I’d post this now in case you try to mock me by pulling a whole “YoU ToOK TOo long tO ANswEr ThE QuESTiOn!” And no, I’m not conceding that my complaint was wrong, I’m not interested in either conceding nor justifying that action:

 

[Rodafina]

It’s not a question, it’s an accusation, and yes, I am, ignoring it.

You are definitely not ignoring it as you have posted several times regarding it since you said you would ignore it, including interacting here with me. So it does not appear as though you are ignoring it. That being said, I think I can understand what you’re saying that these are your views; that you have sufficient evidence to make them truth; and you no longer wish to spend your time with people who aren’t hearing what you were saying in the way you were saying it. I understand that completely if that’s the case here.

My concern is that, since this particular thread was started as an inquiry into autism from someone who is seeking understanding and possibly new to the idea of true acceptance, it is an especially apt place to use neutral, sound, and scientific data if that is what is being presented.

Sharing opinions here is also massively helpful, and I am gaining much insight from your opinion. Considering your opinion as such adds value to my understanding of autism in society at large even if I do not agree with you.

Considering your opinion as you stated as scientific fact, however, could be confusing and even debilitating to someone who is trying to figure themselves out.

I’m just getting confused because you seem torn between wanting to discuss this and preferring to focus on other things. I see that you have just posted more though, so I look forward to going to read it.

 

[Greatshield17]

You are definitely not ignoring it as you have posted several times regarding it since you said you would ignore it, including interacting here with me. So it does not appear as though you are ignoring it. That being said, I think I can understand what you’re saying that these are your views; that you have sufficient evidence to make them truth; and you no longer wish to spend your time with people who aren’t hearing what you were saying in the way you were saying it. I understand that completely if that’s the case here.

No, I am ignoring that one accusation @VictorR made, I am not ignoring his arguments. And I'm not "making them truth," they either are true or they're not true.

 

[Rodafina]

This is a story:

There is no indication of truth here.

 

[Greatshield17]

This is a story:
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There is no indication of truth here.

I'm still looking for information in this and there is no indication any "story" on here is true either; thankfully we do accept accounts posted posted on here as being true... Usually...

 

[Rodafina]

there is no indication any "story" on here is true either; thankfully we do accept accounts posted posted on here as being true... Usually...

Absolutely agreed. Stories are important; they are descriptions of valid experiences in the world. Stories are crucial and viable sources for understanding things. My only point is that stories should not be presented as science.

 

[Nitro]