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The Extrovert Aspie

I think I may fall into the extrovert aspie catagory. Like some of you said, I can small talk for short periods of time, and actually enjoy talking to most people. I even do a lot of public speaking in churches, although the social part of it before and after the service can be a little awkward. I taught sunday school for 7 years and enjoy being in control of the class. I really only came out of my shell in my mid 20's and am 45 now and have gotten pretty good at socializing, especially with someone I have something in common with. I am kind of bad about talking about me and my family too much and have tried to focus more on others during a conversation. Very interesting article. Thanks for sharing!
 
I love this article! I found it the other day because I felt inspired to do a search for "extroverted aspie" after some friends of mine insisted that I was an extrovert. This piece blew my mind!! It is so me and now I can't believe that I never noticed how extroverted I am. I did think of myself basically as an "extroverted introvert", or an introvert with excellent social skills (after YEARS of learning healthy social skills)... But apparently I drew the line there.

I have lots I'd love to share about my own experiences (of course I do, LOL) but I've been thinking so much about the idea that aspies are inherently introverted that I just have to share what I figured out there first.

The more I think, and hear from others, about this extrovert thing, the more it seems to me like this:

I had thought it was as simple as "if your energy comes from socializing, then you're an extrovert, else you're an introvert."

But I don't think anyone would argue that even the most extroverted person isn't going to get energy from, say, talking to friends while someone is repeatedly jabbing them in the leg for an hour.

And if an established extrovert was in a relationship with someone emotionally abusive, I don't think anyone would argue that feeling emotionally drained from interacting with them meant they weren't extroverted after all.

And if those things are true, then of course it follows that an extroverted aspie might very well feel drained from the effort of navigating social nuances, or from the neurological din of being overstimulated, even if they are also getting emotional energy from being in a positive social setting.

And of course it makes sense that those of us with abuse backgrounds often get confused about being extroverts as well, because we often still have people in our lives who don't respect boundaries, or because we're often still easily triggered even by totally safe people.

It's been easy for me to assume that my PTSD-learned, aspie-influenced tendency to underestimate my tolerance for being around people, to feel like I have to guard my energy around them and prioritize being alone, is an introvert thing.

This post blew the doors off that for me and made me realize that if I'm an extrovert, then for me this is obviously just a relic of the abuse. It made me think about how much I've guarded myself, the same way that you'd guard an old injury. The way you might walk or sit or hold things differently even though nothing hurts anymore, because you subconsciously are afraid it will get injured again.

It also made me think about the way I use Facebook... Sometimes I will sit there and just keep opening Facebook then email, then go look for blog posts to read because there's nothing new in the Facebook or email. And I realized that's not me seeking entertainment (after all, I'm usually at home, surrounded by cats and books and TV)... It's me seeking social interaction that isn't there.

The more I realize what an extrovert I am, the more I notice how much I enjoy and want to talk to people... And wouldn't you know, I've constructed my life so that I hardly ever do! I work from home most of the time, I only see my friends once or twice a week (okay that actually seems about normal for a married adult BUT STILL), I'm taking four classes (computer science) but all of them are online...!

(also, I was just thinking about how much I liked being on the board of a twelve-step fellowship I'm in, because it meant that there was often some interesting email discussion ready for me to engage in... And then I remembered how much feedback I used to get about my long, long emails, and how people felt overwhelmed and pressured by them... Because in email there's really no cue for me to try to pick up on about people being ready for me to stop! Just like here ;) )
 
I love this article! I found it the other day because I felt inspired to do a search for "extroverted aspie" after some friends of mine insisted that I was an extrovert. This piece blew my mind!! It is so me and now I can't believe that I never noticed how extroverted I am. I did think of myself basically as an "extroverted introvert", or an introvert with excellent social skills (after YEARS of learning healthy social skills)... But apparently I drew the line there.

I have lots I'd love to share about my own experiences (of course I do, LOL) but I've been thinking so much about the idea that aspies are inherently introverted that I just have to share what I figured out there first.

The more I think, and hear from others, about this extrovert thing, the more it seems to me like this:

I had thought it was as simple as "if your energy comes from socializing, then you're an extrovert, else you're an introvert."

But I don't think anyone would argue that even the most extroverted person isn't going to get energy from, say, talking to friends while someone is repeatedly jabbing them in the leg for an hour.

And if an established extrovert was in a relationship with someone emotionally abusive, I don't think anyone would argue that feeling emotionally drained from interacting with them meant they weren't extroverted after all.

And if those things are true, then of course it follows that an extroverted aspie might very well feel drained from the effort of navigating social nuances, or from the neurological din of being overstimulated, even if they are also getting emotional energy from being in a positive social setting.

And of course it makes sense that those of us with abuse backgrounds often get confused about being extroverts as well, because we often still have people in our lives who don't respect boundaries, or because we're often still easily triggered even by totally safe people.

It's been easy for me to assume that my PTSD-learned, aspie-influenced tendency to underestimate my tolerance for being around people, to feel like I have to guard my energy around them and prioritize being alone, is an introvert thing.

This post blew the doors off that for me and made me realize that if I'm an extrovert, then for me this is obviously just a relic of the abuse. It made me think about how much I've guarded myself, the same way that you'd guard an old injury. The way you might walk or sit or hold things differently even though nothing hurts anymore, because you subconsciously are afraid it will get injured again.

It also made me think about the way I use Facebook... Sometimes I will sit there and just keep opening Facebook then email, then go look for blog posts to read because there's nothing new in the Facebook or email. And I realized that's not me seeking entertainment (after all, I'm usually at home, surrounded by cats and books and TV)... It's me seeking social interaction that isn't there.

The more I realize what an extrovert I am, the more I notice how much I enjoy and want to talk to people... And wouldn't you know, I've constructed my life so that I hardly ever do! I work from home most of the time, I only see my friends once or twice a week (okay that actually seems about normal for a married adult BUT STILL), I'm taking four classes (computer science) but all of them are online...!

(also, I was just thinking about how much I liked being on the board of a twelve-step fellowship I'm in, because it meant that there was often some interesting email discussion ready for me to engage in... And then I remembered how much feedback I used to get about my long, long emails, and how people felt overwhelmed and pressured by them... Because in email there's really no cue for me to try to pick up on about people being ready for me to stop! Just like here ;) )
Haha, I'm glad you like the post. You might be interested by the post I added a page or so after the initial one, where I came across the term "ambivert" as well. It's a mix between being part introvert, part extrovert. There are a few links on the post as well :)
 
oh, i read this whole thread! All right, I admit I didn't click through to the ambivert article yet :) I have a sneaking suspicion that it's like gender... most people have traits that we associate with guy stuff as well as traits that we associate with womanhood, even though they mostly identify with one thing or the other. And then some of us are actually gender-fluid or totally in the middle or something different!
 
Haha, I'm also guilty for being random, or saying random things, to get a laugh, or to make others think. It's good fun :)

Also guilty of interrupting people at times, but I try not to. I just get so excited, that I blurt out my thoughts too soon :p

What you and Peace describe sounds just like my John. He is a real clown at times, and even loves making fun of himself. I never realised there were Aspies like this before I met him.
 
Dear god! I just read the extrovert aspie and I do all those, which is bizarre as I think I am shy. I got my NT friend to read it and she thinks the same, that I do those things.

OK, I used to lecture and loved doing it, enjoy getting on stage and singing but I thought that was my lot.

Now I'm a confused aspie :confused:

I would think one can be both shy and extroverted. It's all about mood, time, and place, isn't it?

You sing? I'm a musician and singer, myself, despite social anxiety and panic disorder. I don't really think of being onstage as being social or public, necessarily. I'm performing, but in a way that's all a very internal exercise. Would never give a lecture, though. I don't think I know enough about anything that I should be acting as an authority!
 
I NEED time alone every day to recharge. I am introverted. agree!

However, I am happy with too much enthusiasm at times! Aspies being happy, simply discussing or doing the hobbies/books/games or classes or special interests.... This could be mistaken for extroverted..... I think! What do you think?

I do enjoy being with close friends. I might be a bit tired afterwards though.

What a fascinating idea..... Aspie extroverts. I've never thought about this idea until now! So, I suppose there are lots of individual unique variations of human kind?
 
I NEED time alone every day to recharge. I am introverted. agree!

However, I am happy with too much enthusiasm at times! Aspies being happy, simply discussing or doing the hobbies/books/games or classes or special interests.... This could be mistaken for extroverted..... I think! What do you think?

I do enjoy being with close friends. I might be a bit tired afterwards though.

What a fascinating idea..... Aspie extroverts. I've never thought about this idea until now! So, I suppose there are lots of individual unique variations of human kind?
It is pretty interesting. You do sound like you're introverted :)
 
To a certain extent, I guess I am but only with ones I feel totally comfortable with. Lol yep I am, too guilty of random talking and interrupting, but many times, it is because I am excited in what is being said and too impatient to wait for a pause!

I guess I am both, for I am known for my smiles and laughing, but also know for my extreme shyness and I become introvert because I cannot deal with not understanding the right things to say and that is SOOO tiring
 
An extrovert Aspie? I never looked up your sex but I bet you're female. Female Aspies tend to be more social.

Me, I've got no desire to socialise. I'm bored with all these humans.

Introverts are drained by people and need alone time to recharge.

You're not wrong there!

I am so sick of people. I just want to be totally alone!
 
I am quite extroverted, I like socializing it's just I am pretty crappy at it.
I have learned things, but still feel a lot of shame about my feeble skills.
 
I don't consider myself an extrovert per se, but I do love the company of people I know and love. Meeting strangers is tough, but once I get to know them I can be a bit of a talkative nag lol
 
Even before I figured out that I was on the spectrum, I called myself an extroverted introvert. In other words I like socializing and, now, after a lot of learning, I'm good at it - it's still silly, pointless chatter for the most part to me, but, I'm good at doing it. It also tires me out and overloads me but, I still like showing my skill and, making a good impression on people.

I also like my alone time and, don't know what loneliness feels like because I have never felt lonely for a second. I don't need anyone else in my life, if they are here, it's because they want to be here and I want them here, it's a mutually beneficial relationship. If it weren't, either they would move on or, I would send them away.

I'm of the mid that no one is friends with anyone for nothing - the friendship benefits each in some way and, the greater the benefit to you, the better or closer friend you think they are. If you are a great benefit to them, then they think of you as a close friend, even if they are just a casual friend to you because you don't gain as much from being friendly with them. No one does anything for nothing in this world, we all only do what we do because we gain something by doing it.
 
The extrovert aspie ? This interests me greatly.

My diagnosis report highlights by good communications skills. Others say I'm talkative ! But could that be the ADHD side ?

Recently came across a report on aspergers and ADHD which, among other things, say "ADHD symptoms may lead to better ratings on social interaction in children with ASD, partly because of the increased talkativeness seen with ADHD".

The more you learn, the more you want to find out even more.
 
I think I talk fast and a lot because I cannot handle silence and it happens often in a conversation so to avoid it I will talk too much. I either talk too much or not enough. There seems to be no in between. I will no longer talk on the phone at all because I cannot determine when to start and stop at all. I act with each person that comes up to me very anxious like I am just about to go on stage in front of a huge audience to preform. I act like a deer in headlights. I act very paranoid when someone comes up to be to talk. Then they feel so stange and get the hell out fast. They never come back. They do not know what just hit them. They tell their friends then no one comes around me. I can tell the people that avoid me, that I have never talked to, got it from someone else "do not talk to her, she is off a bit"

My personality is talk too loud, too close, too anxious and wear them out. Even my sister said to me she has to catch her breath when she speaks to me on the phone. I take the energy out of her. Another friend said it to me too. They say "way too much energy in the morning" they will call me while driving to work but they stopped
 
I'm fishing for any potential extroverted Aspies out there.

Ya caught one!!! Natural born ENTJ --- yes, Aspie ENTJ!!!

I can't remember names, and I have some issues with facial recognition --- so why not just talk to everyone?!? I was one of those kids who "never met a stranger" and I guess I just never grew out of it.

However, most of the items from your list still apply: loner, enjoy solitary activities, independent worker, have obsessions with certain things and devote significant time to these things, find it incredibly hard to build connections and friendships. I just thought I enjoyed my own company more than most.

I knew I was "different" from early childhood, but back then autism spectrum was a boy thing --- so I was just a weird girl. The advent of the internet finally gave me answers to lifelong questions, which I continue to explore.

It appears that I exist in the tiniest fringe edge of the human bell curve in several dimensions. If all of my self-assessment is anywhere remotely correct, and if you consider each trait to be governed by the genetic law of independent assortment, then it is mathematically possible that:
In the 10% (#of F:M Aspies) of the .5% (# Aspie:NT) of the .001% (# w/165 IQ) of the 1% (# F ENTJ's), and a world population of 6910615332 [05:59 UTC (EST+5) Apr 07, 2011] you would expect to find .3455 individuals in the world population with ALL of the above "minority" traits. I'm sure glad God rounded up to ONE!!!
 

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