Sensitive Topic Vladimir Putin Said To Have Aspergers Syndrome

[Maelstrom]

I don't really want to play devil's advocate when it comes to that putain de merde, but I'm not going to say he can't be autistic because he's Putin. It's always easy to accept some world-saving genius having autism, but if it's an evil prince of darkness, things get a bit tricky maybe.

I'm not saying he is autistic; I don't know the dude. Being a successful politician (bah) might be pointing to no, but consider this:
he rises up in a tightly regimented organization with strict rules on how to operate (I think some of us might like that, or even thrive in it), which happens to be the KGB, where he gets trained in observing people and interpreting their behaviours (which is what we try to do when wondering what an NT, or anyone else, means with this or that) and learns how to gain control of his own behaviour and how to act according to the situation.

Political behaviour is very premeditated. There's nothing spontaneous about it. It's tactics, it's playing a role, acting out a playbook. There is a possibility that if you put him in an everyday social situation, stripped from the aura of power, he might very well be just as socially inept as the best of us. (Not taking into account the wealth of information on human behaviour, including the behaviour of his political adversaries,he gained while in the KGB too, obviously.)

And it's not like I've never seen an aspie being completely enthralled by social conformity, holding on to it for dear life (because it's a graspable concept in a world of uncertainty) and going against anything that might challenge that concept...

Anyway, I don't know; just a quick thought experiment.

Hi (Gonzerd), I think you made a excellent point, it however is obvious the white house did us no favors, we don't need mobs with pitchforks chasing us, calling us mini Putins, not helpful. And I am not endorsing Putin, I keep a running tab on the bad stuff going on in Russia. However I take a dim view of so many people dying just because a US oil fat cat thought he could steal some Russian oil rigs in the Azov sea, by ponying up for a worthless oil contract with the Ukrainians. In what universe did anyone think the Russians were going to give up their oil or historical interests in Ukraine that went back thousands of years. And now the Ukrainians have voted to shoot their own boys in the back if they retreat, what are they supposed to do, everyone knows the war is a lost cause.

 

[Tia Maria]

Ignoring the politics/opinions of Putin (I don't really want to go there myself, but those who know me can probably guess), I'll basically cut and paste (but slightly alter) what I posted about it on Facebook.

My God. Really, guys? That's how you think you can make an autism diagnosis? Just by examining video footage, without actually talking with him or his family?

Although I'm equally baffled by the skeptic quoted as saying they would need a brain scan...I definitely don't remember that part of the diagnostic process...

Well, they couldn't speak with his family or friends ... because he killed them all. And they couldn't interview him because he said, 'If I tell you I'll have to kill you" ... so that left examining his judo moves & hundreds of pictures of his scowling face ... & without that brain scan (lol) ... well, you know. They were left with flipping a coin. PS - I'm joking. (I won't take offense if you don't appreciate my humor. I tease my nieces all the time & to be truthful, they just get annoyed! )

 

[Sarsaparilla]

Good article from the Guardian on this: The “Putin has Asperger’s” story highlights the stupidity of psychological diagnosis from a distance

 

[deema]

He is being labeled without proof, just from people observing his actions.

Pentagon 2008 study claims Putin has Asperger's syndrome

You mean like how these cats were "labeled without proof"?

Einstein
Tesla
Newton
Lincoln
Jefferson
Washington
Twain
Dickenson
Austin
Shultz
Mozart
Beethoven
Michaelangelo
Gates
Hitler
Ford
Hughes

etc etc etc....


It is easy to spot an aspie provided you can access enough information about that person. I wiould say, based on this story, that the likel hood is almost certain that he is an aspie. The government isn't some random cat just posting conjecture in threads. They, in no way, would suggest it unless it was way more likely than not, that they are right...


I have always been fascinated by Putin. And who else but an aspie would have been clever enough to usurp the Russian constitution with the brilliant slide from Prime Minister, to President, and then back to PM. That is not two, but THREE terms as head man, cause Medvyedev was his to control while he stayed in the back room.... Everything about his rise and life in the KGB and then to his ultimate dominance of the Russian political structure screams aspie, to me

 

[wyverary]

You mean like how these cats were "labeled without proof"?

Einstein
Tesla
Newton
Lincoln
Jefferson
Washington
Twain
Dickenson
Austin
Shultz
Mozart
Beethoven
Michaelangelo
Gates
Hitler
Ford
Hughes

etc etc etc....

Actually, I do believe all those you listed were "labelled without proof." My distaste for remotely diagnosing famous and/or dead people is well known on this forum...has yet to make me any enemies, though, knock on wood.

 

[deema]

Actually, I do believe all those you listed were "labelled without proof." My distaste for remotely diagnosing famous and/or dead people is well known on this forum...has yet to make me any enemies, though, knock on wood.

No, you are missing my point. The proof is in the evidence left behind and gleaned from relative sources. These folks are all way more likely than not, to be aspies, as well

 

[deema]

I don't really want to play devil's advocate when it comes to that putain de merde, but I'm not going to say he can't be autistic because he's Putin. It's always easy to accept some world-saving genius having autism, but if it's an evil prince of darkness, things get a bit tricky maybe.

I'm not saying he is autistic; I don't know the dude. Being a successful politician (bah) might be pointing to no, but consider this:
he rises up in a tightly regimented organization with strict rules on how to operate (I think some of us might like that, or even thrive in it), which happens to be the KGB, where he gets trained in observing people and interpreting their behaviours (which is what we try to do when wondering what an NT, or anyone else, means with this or that) and learns how to gain control of his own behaviour and how to act according to the situation.

Political behaviour is very premeditated. There's nothing spontaneous about it. It's tactics, it's playing a role, acting out a playbook. There is a possibility that if you put him in an everyday social situation, stripped from the aura of power, he might very well be just as socially inept as the best of us. (Not taking into account the wealth of information on human behaviour, including the behaviour of his political adversaries,he gained while in the KGB too, obviously.)

And it's not like I've never seen an aspie being completely enthralled by social conformity, holding on to it for dear life (because it's a graspable concept in a world of uncertainty) and going against anything that might challenge that concept...

Anyway, I don't know; just a quick thought experiment.

Well, there is no tricky about it. Hitler was an aspie. It is very easy to see how an aspie could get completely dictatorial in political office... It is so odd to contrast Washington with Hitler. But "we" all want "power", do we not? I am alone in this? Ha... Mo power for me, then, if so. And my goal is to git me some, too.. I would be a fantastic king of the world, so funny that I am not kiddin, though, heh heh

 

[deema]

Ignoring the politics/opinions of Putin (I don't really want to go there myself, but those who know me can probably guess), I'll basically cut and paste (but slightly alter) what I posted about it on Facebook.

My God. Really, guys? That's how you think you can make an autism diagnosis? Just by examining video footage, without actually talking with him or his family?

Although I'm equally baffled by the skeptic quoted as saying they would need a brain scan...I definitely don't remember that part of the diagnostic process...

HA... WILDLY misleading lead on question.. "make diagnosis exqamining vid foootage".. Who tf said that? Yeah, that is all the data available.. C'mon... That is just crazy.. You just projected that out, I didnt see or say that... Video footage would be one tiny branch of the whole tree that would make them come to that conclusion..

 

[deema]

Last night on MSNBC I saw a doctor commenting on the report. He apparently is an M.D. who has two published books, both psychological profiles of Barack Obama and George W. Bush.

The word he used to describesd the report was "silly".

It is silly if you just believe some MD who wrote psych books that were not sanctioned and is likely just there to sell books, just cause he said so. The actual story has more supporting information to suggest that it is real, this is a fact The government has data to support its claims. You are putting some fn random doctor's opinion above all that data, irrationally.

Further, of an analyst, an attorney, a software developer, a police detective, and a doctor, the doctor is the one that requires the LEAST amount of actual intelligence, to be. Many long hours, four more years of school, and a decent memory, all it takes to become a doctor. The others listed require much more in depth perspective shifting and information linking. Docs are nothin special, at all. Let alone some dood that sells his psych profiles of sitting presidents, essentially acting as a body language mystical master. ...(maybe he is, im gnna look him up now. My point was that it is not rational to accept his claim cause he has no anything but an opinion based in nothing, without data

 

[Maelstrom]

This thread is sort of funny and a whole lot stupid...I may be almost as clever as Putin...but he's good at a awful lot of stuff, I would have to see a test to believe he was a aspie and there are powerful auties out there who may have no aspie traits too.

 

[deema]

This thread is sort of funny and a whole lot stupid...I may be almost as clever as Putin...but he's good at a awful lot of stuff, I would have to see a test to believe he was a aspie and there are powerful auties out there who may have no aspie traits too.

I do not get the whole "roll eyes" thing, nor do I understand why some think that this would not be globally significant, something the U.S. would be INSANE not to study and monitor, as much as possible. It boggles my mind that anyone can not see that this would be a top priority research project in the entirety of the government. You cannot effectively protect yourself if you do not know all there is to know, about a potential enemy. There is nothing at all funny or weird or ludicrous or unbelievable about any of it.

Hitler was an aspie. That is the ONLY example necessary to see just how important the answer to this, could be...

Aspies can be ruled by emotion. He has the second llargest stockpile of nukes, could kill all life on Earth a hundred times over. You know how vindictive a mofo I can be? "You" can be? That is the danger of aspies with power. The fact that emotion can overtake rational thought

 

[Maelstrom]

There is no way to know these things for sure with out proper testing, and I'm not going to clam such bad people if I don't have to. There are enough people giving us the evil eye already, I don't get respect for being a auspie even in my own home. I may joke about being a super villain but I want to be seen as nice in the real world.

 

[deema]

There is no way to know these things for sure with out proper testing, and I'm not going to clam such bad people if I don't have to. There are enough people giving us the evil eye already, I don't get respect for being a auspie even in my own home. I may joke about being a super villain but I want to be seen as nice in the real world.

Okay, well, anyway, thought, this "There is no way to know these things for sure with out proper testing,", is ridiculous. A person answering the online test, honestly, will be given the answer almost always. The potentially thousand upon maybe tens of thousands of pages of data that the government would be able to have on Putin would 100% be enough to make the determination, especially considering the ease at which it is to tell, even for folks in the past. 1 year or a thousand years doesnt make any differene as long as there is enough data to make the call

 

[Maelstrom]

"deema, post: 191766, member: 12673"]Okay, well, anyway, thought, this "There is no way to know these things for sure with out proper testing,", is ridiculous. A person answering the online test, honestly, will be given the answer almost always. The potentially thousand upon maybe tens of thousands of pages of data that the government would be able to have on Putin would 100% be enough to make the determination, especially considering the ease at which it is to tell, even for folks in the past. 1 year or a thousand years doesnt make any differene as long as there is enough data to make the call

Well you have more faith then me in the government I generally assume I need to prove anything they say is right before I believe it. I don't see much honor and truth anywhere, any more, everyone seems to be working a angle, and has their hand in some one else pocket. Those of us trying to hold the line for what is true, and right, and best for everyone, seem to be objects of ridicule.

 

[deema]

Well you have more faith then me in the government I generally assume I need to prove anything they say is right before I believe it. I don't see much honor and truth anywhere, any more, everyone seems to be working a angle, and has their hand in some one else pocket. Those of us trying to hold the line for what is true, and right, and best for everyone, seem to be objects of ridicule.

In this case, I don't see how the government would stand to gain, by lying or exaggerating

Good article from the Guardian on this: The “Putin has Asperger’s” story highlights the stupidity of psychological diagnosis from a distance

It is absolutely NOT a good article. It is closed minded idiocy and absolute ignorance, and I more or less let him know that

 

[annominous]

Obamas press girls aren't cute enough to keep me from wanting to throw up on my shoes...

I'm glad women don't have to be 'cute' for me to listen to them.

 

[gonzerd]

It is silly if you just believe some MD who wrote psych books that were not sanctioned and is likely just there to sell books, just cause he said so. The actual story has more supporting information to suggest that it is real, this is a fact The government has data to support its claims. You are putting some fn random doctor's opinion above all that data, irrationally.

Further, of an analyst, an attorney, a software developer, a police detective, and a doctor, the doctor is the one that requires the LEAST amount of actual intelligence, to be. Many long hours, four more years of school, and a decent memory, all it takes to become a doctor. The others listed require much more in depth perspective shifting and information linking. Docs are nothin special, at all. Let alone some dood that sells his psych profiles of sitting presidents, essentially acting as a body language mystical master. ...(maybe he is, im gnna look him up now. My point was that it is not rational to accept his claim cause he has no anything but an opinion based in nothing, without data

From the original article:

Researchers can't prove their theory about Putin and Asperger's, the report said, because they were not able to perform a brain scan on the Russian president.

If that's what the report actually says, then yes, it is silly, no matter who it comes from, because as some of us have rightly pointed out, brain scans aren't part of the diagnostic process for Asperger's. Mistakes happen, but that's kind of a biggie to make.

Unless of course these Pentagon (what a cradle of truth that is) sanctioned specialists have developed some kind of method in which a simple brain scan can tell if a person has Asperger's. But if that's the case, they obviously haven't released let alone announced this quite important technology to the medical community, which would make me wonder about their motives for not doing so; given the affiliation with said Pentagon, I'd be tempted to think it's a political power thing, at which point I'd regard pretty much anything they say as a bit silly.

From the rather excellent article Sarsaparilla posted:

In the “Putin has Asperger’s case”, there’s an additional problem – it plays into stigmatising myths about the disorder. Prof. Bishop points out “it seems like a clumsy attempt to discredit Putin, so that people don’t take him seriously. But in doing so it manages to upset people who genuinely have got Asperger’s and autism. People in these communities get very upset about this sort of stigma. It’s become almost a term of abuse to say that someone’s got Asperger’s” she adds.

In short, I can’t possibly see how anything good could come out of this story. It plays into tiresome and misinformed stereotypes about autistic spectrum disorder, and paints a farcical picture of the way that psychological research is conducted. Thankfully, a Pentagon spokesperson told the Guardian that the reports “have not informed any policy decisions by the Department of Defence.” Great, but why on earth was this nonsense commissioned in the first place?

That's the thing with all of this really; it is nonsense. I like news stories about autism and Asperger's; I always hope it's something positive, but if it's negative, so be it. As long as it involves people who have actually been properly diagnosed with Asperger's. Anything else is speculation, and speculation leads to misinformation, of which there's more than plenty already.

 

[deema]

From the original article:



If that's what the report actually says, then yes, it is silly, no matter who it comes from, because as some of us have pointed out, brain scans aren't part of the diagnostic process for Asperger's. Mistakes happen, but that's kind of a biggie to make.

Unless of course these Pentagon (what a cradle of truth that is) sanctioned specialists have developed some kind of method in which a simple brain scan can tell if a person has Asperger's. But if that's the case, they obviously haven't released let alone announced this quite important technology to the medical community, which would make me wonder about their motives for not doing so; given the affiliation with said Pentagon, I'd be tempted to think it's a political power thing, at which point I'd regard pretty much anything they say as a bit silly.

From the rather excellent article Sarsaparilla posted:



That's the thing with all of this really; it is nonsense. I like news stories about autism and Asperger's; I always hope it's something positive, but if it's negative, so be it. As long as it involves people who have actually been properly diagnosed with Asperger's. Anything else is speculation, and speculation leads to misinformation, of which there's more than plenty already.

HAHAHAHAAAAAA, how many aspies here have only been diagnosed after a brain scan? Hands? Now how many here looked at the 'symptoms"/traits/aspects of aspieness, in a liist, and said, holy sh!tsnaks, that is ME it is describing? Hands? Mine is up on the latter. Ididnt NEED a formal dianosis, after that. I learned only of aspergers existence, more or less, two years ago, this month. Since then I have put major work into learning all I could of it. Brain scan schmane sham

 

[Maelstrom]

I'm glad women don't have to be 'cute' for me to listen to them.

Oh Hi (Annominous), I was mostly trying to be funny, Obomas press girls are plenty cute, a little scary tough tho. I get RT and now DOD, the deffence TV channel, so I see it all on both sides on the Ukraine thing, it is not pretty. Sometimes its like watching 5 year olds fight, and there is a whole lot of staking out positions on so called facts, and then doing the old sideways shuffle to the opposite position a few minuets later, not really cool. It is however humorus to watch sometimes ... if you forget about all the poor people dying for the whole stupid thing.

 

[Sev]

I think its completely bogus that someone can be diagnosed with a neurological disorder from a distance based on physical movement. Personally, I just think Putin is introverted and intelligent - traits that don't necessarily indicate high-functioning autism or otherwise. In the actual report its said: "researchers can’t prove their theory about Putin and Asperger’s… because they were not able to perform a brain scan on the Russian president." You can't just diagnose autism from a brain scan, if it were so easy many people would not have a need to see specialists. The author obviously doesn't understand what they are talking about.