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What is a healthy relationship anyways?

So this is a trust issue then?! In validating someones feelings i agree that this is not a ruse or a trick of some kind, i am accepting that the person is being honest or has a right to feel the way they do?
I feel like mr spock at grade school. I have physical troubles too, hope you feel better, @WolfSpirit maybe a hot bath,?

Well, any relationship involves trust. if you can't believe that the person is telling you the truth, the relationship won't go very far. Granted, NTs say things they don't mean all the time, and will play all sorts of mind games, but again, there has to be at least a large degree of honesty, or the relationship will never 'fly'. But trust, and validation are two different things.

my back pain is finally settling into ordinary pain, rather than being incapacitating, so that helps. I don't have a bath here only a shower, but a combination of a heat pack, muscle relaxants, and just now, Voltaren should do the trick, I hope.
 
Continuing on with this posting, if you do say something hurtful (because our acidic tongue can cut) that you validate that they were hurt by what you said and that you take responsibilty for that. To me, a healthly relationship means you both mature and accept each other with all their great and not so great sides. Validating then turns into acceptance of their idiosyncrasies because that is their core essence. You validate their existance everyday by treating them respectfully.
 
Wow this is pretty abstract stuf for a non native speaker! You are remarkably well spoken!
It makes good sense yes. If i am demeaning or derrogatory towards the other that is not validating. I keep trying to grasp something about past abuse,protecting myself and i almost get it, but it slips away. Its ez for NT to manipulate me, if they know i am on the spectrum. I am getting confused again. I feel like this topic is hard to understand, thank you for your patience

Relationships are complicated! For everyone. They're just infinitely more so for us on the spectrum!!

Not all people are capable of healthy relationships. What we learn as children, and otherwise growing up, affects how we interact with people when we're older. It's a very complicated subject, but if we're taught to mistreat people, or be dishonest, then we carry that on to our adult relationships. If we're never shown honest, respectful relationships, it's very hard to learn how to behave that way ourselves. ... And then there's all the emotional damage that comes from trauma. and self-protective behaviours and ... everything. Some people say trauma is essentially a disruption in relationships, and can only be healed through supportive, reparative connections with others. (ie. Judith Herman's seminal book "Trauma and Recovery."). Some people say early trauma results in developmental delays in being able to relate to other people (and other things). Needless to say, for those of us who already have developmental delays, and don't inherently understand the whole concept of social interaction and etc. the problems are compounded when we experience relationship trauma!
 
I am learning alot today, thanks to you all!

This piece of paper(there are hundreds of them) jumped out at me, by falling off the fridge just moments ago. It may well be meaningless, or maybe.....

"We judge in areas we feel most vulnerable to shame"
Brenè Brown, The Gifts of Imperfection
 
On sharing the quote with my pal she said "read it its fantastic" i believe now that the most important thing i learned about me lately is ..... i need to have audiobooks for philosophy/spirituality/self help
And read for pleasure(fiction, history,bio)
Does this mean somehow that i should be mostly writing to communicate with a lover? Not speaking to her much, certainly not about anything re emotions, feelings, et al. But writing to her about those things instead?
 
I think a healthy relationship is two people who like to be with one another. In the times they don't, they talk about it and ask each other what is the matter till they are back on track.

If you have pleasure and feelings of contentment around another then all the reasons "why" don't really matter till you get off track and try to get it back on.

Of course, it is super hard to get two human computers with feelings to communicate, so it's not easy. AND we keep evolving like AI or something!

So, don't ask me ----- but I do try. :-D
 
On sharing the quote with my pal she said "read it its fantastic" i believe now that the most important thing i learned about me lately is ..... i need to have audiobooks for philosophy/spirituality/self help
And read for pleasure(fiction, history,bio)
Does this mean somehow that i should be mostly writing to communicate with a lover? Not speaking to her much, certainly not about anything re emotions, feelings, et al. But writing to her about those things instead?

First question: how do you normally communicate best? Are you better at expressing yourself in person, through speech, or when you can type or write your responses? Do you do better when you can go away from a situation, and take your time to compose your thoughts before getting them out? (most of us do better this way). Do you do better with sound or with visual stuff? (when expressing yourself.) Someone suggested using a tape recorder to get thoughts down for use in an assessment. The same idea could be used in a personal relationship. Or, writing. NTs tend to fuss, and/or freak when we don't communicate in the 'normal' way and time frame, but if someone cares enough about you to actually want to know what you have to say and/or feel, they'll make the effort to accommodate you the way it works best for you. (and you have to be willing to try and accommodate them too, in the way they communicate best.)
 
I use the recording of my voice to do my writing, this is not an active aspect now. I would rough out a concept on the pc, often print it out with spaces in it, read it aloud and record it. Then listen to the recording and edit the text with a pencil, then re enter it, *often process loops* i did some of my very best work like that.
I think i feel more authentic when i write, speech is a challenge at times
 
I use the recording of my voice to do my writing, this is not an active aspect now. I would rough out a concept on the pc, often print it out with spaces in it, read it aloud and record it. Then listen to the recording and edit the text with a pencil, then re enter it, *often process loops* i did some of my very best work like that.
I think i feel more authentic when i write, speech is a challenge at times

Whichever way you feel you express yourself best is worth trying. Experiments can sometimes lead to very productive solutions! And if she sees you are trying to improve on the issue of communicating with her (which she's asked you to do or complained you're not doing well enough? Sorry, I've lost where all this started) then that might be sufficient in itself (for now) to appease her.
 
Which brings me to my next post: healthy relationships involve healthy communication exchanges meaning don't immediately judge what they say but try to understand what they are trying to communicate (validation).

@WolfSpirit says similar interests, but often healthy relationships discover new interests to bond over or rediscover past interests. There are no hard rules, just bonding can be as simple as doing something together and enjoying the most mundane tasks with someone that endures themselves to you.
 
I thought I might add more to this, after first writing it, but haven't, so I guess it's time to share it. I was going to post this on the thread "How do you communicate", as it's the one that spawned it, before I managed to register for this site, but I can't find it anymore, and it's relevant here, and my back is starting to scream again, so I'm going to have to get off the computer and stretch, so here goes:

I've been thinking about how I’ve made the successful relationships in my life work. And the difference between validly feeling connected to other people and/or wanting to do stuff that works for other people even if it’s not necessarily natural for you, and doing socially expected stuff and NT typical relationship stuff because it’s what’s expected, but feels false and yucky. About how if the relationship is worth it, you focus on listening to the other person, and hearing them, and paying attention to the things (big and small) that are important to them, and reciprocating the feelings they engender in you, in ways that feel genuine. I’ve been told many times that I am ‘thoughtful’, and/or ‘kind’ in the relationships I choose to participate in. Even if I don’t necessarily feel that I am being anything out of the ordinary, or… I dunno the word, but people think I’m putting more energy into relationships than the average person, when I’m not necessarily, I’m just reciprocating what I feel. Sometimes I make an effort to express these feelings in a way I know will make the other person happy, and other times, it just comes naturally, or accidentally.

I have spent a lot of time and energy over the years discovering what is important to the other people in my life, and what will make my relationship with them better, and allow me to get what I need from them, (and them from me, which is usually related). I guess, realizing and figuring out how to operationalize the ‘give and take’ that are necessary in relationships. And even acknowledging and sometimes communicating, that I’m not going to be able to contribute in an equal way. (or not feel like it. Sometimes I’ve been told later that people get things out of their relationship with me, even when I don’t feel like I’m contributing a lot, or enough.). And sometimes it has meant figuring out a way to indicate to the other person that they are important to me, or that I do value the relationship, or am paying attention to them, in a different way than a neurotypical would, because I either can’t do it in the way NTs do, or doing it in an NT way feels false and counter-productive to me. Sometimes these different methods have meant the NTs in question have seen me as spending extra effort than another NT would. I know that sharing victories and successes and happy things are just important as sharing the bad things, because everyone needs balance, and if all you’re getting out of a relationship is hearing the bad things, then you’re going to bet burned out and not want to be in that relationship anymore. I know that mentioning or asking about the little things that go on in the other person’s life is important, because it shows interest in the other person’s life. Sometimes those little things are important to the other person. And if they’re important, or at least interesting to you too, so much the better. I find I often don’t do that until the relationship is farther along, and I’ve decided the person themselves are important to me. And therefore that person’s happiness is also important to me.

Sometimes people need their difficulties recognized and acknowledged in order for them to have the mental space and energy to hear yours. Empathy works both ways. And I’m finding more and more that I can relate to other people’s stresses. Partly because of so many of the ones I’ve gone through. I do know that having been through everything I’ve been through in my life has made me more compassionate. Receiving compassion and empathy and sympathy have probably made a big difference too, in my ability to feel it for others.

Other people sharing their struggles with me has helped me to see that some things are universal, and that everybody’s dealing with something. Although I’ve needed people in my life who have recognized and acknowledged, and accepted, the differences as well. That some things are specific to autism, or to being a child abuse survivor, or… whatever. That nondisabled people don’t face a lot of the things those of us with disabilities do. And that those of us with invisible disabilities have our own set of difficulties that people with visible disabilities don’t. Being able to see myself and been seen as unique and part of a community (or several) has been a really important part of my development as a person, and in my ability to develop compassion for other people. It has also made a huge difference in my ability to relate to other people in a meaningful way.

How other people have shared their difficulties with me has probably made a difference too. There’s a big difference between sharing it in an overbearing, obnoxious, self-righteous way, and sharing it in an honest, self-possessed, responsible way. (or something. Having trouble coming up with the right words.) There’s a difference between a ‘stoicism run amok’, or dictatorial way, and an honest, accountable, acknowledgement that some things in life are just difficult, and everybody’s human, for lack of a better phrase. Or, perhaps, that ‘nobody’s perfect’. The people who have acknowledged to me that they have feelings, and they have difficulties with things, but who have also been fully responsible for looking after their own feelings and behaviours have taught me so much more about how to be real, or how to be human, or ... whatever word you want to use, than those who have either insisted that their emotions don’t exist, or that you shouldn’t have emotions, and should be able to handle everything yourself, and those who have decided their emotional and physical or functional problems are someone else’s responsibility, ever have.

Finding a way for me to connect with the people who are important to me, in a way that works for me, has meant that I’ve had many supportive, beneficial, even reparative relationships. I guess it comes down to what Jim Sinclair said long ago in xyr “Bridging the Gaps” article: “I have exactly as many relationships as I want. I relate only as myself, only in ways that are authentic to me. I value people only as themselves, not for their roles or status, and not because I need someone to fill empty spaces in my life.” Not trying to be some imitation of an NT, not trying to do things their way when I know it doesn’t work for me, in fact, it has meant deliberately rejecting NT ways of relating when I know they are bad for me, or not useful. But it has also meant deliberately figuring out some way that I can meet the needs of the NTs in my life (‘cause let’s face it, they’re unavoidable to a certain degree), while also not betraying myself, and also meeting my own needs, has been the key.

Much of that has meant rejecting generic relationships, or connections with people who don’t mean anything to me. It has meant being selective about who I choose to spend energy on relating to. It has meant openly ignoring people who aren’t worth my time or energy. It has meant using assistive technology to communicate with people who are difficult to pay attention to, and/or in situations where I need to be able to keep track of what’s going on, and be able to create new thoughts, (unfamiliar, or seldomly encountered medical professionals, unknown bureaucrats, group discussions, etc.), and saving speech for only those who’ve reached a certain level of importance in my life, or a certain level of familiarity. It has meant insisting on communicating with people in person or via email, or more recently by text (or even more recently, due to COVID, via videoconference) and refusing to deal with them on the telephone because it’s just too difficult. In other words, it has meant defying convention, in order to find a life that works for me. It has meant expecting, and in some cases, demanding people to provide reasonable accommodations and accessibility, which has meant discovering what ‘reasonable accommodations’ are, and sometimes working out a compromise so that everybody’s needs can be met. In both personal and professional relationships.

It has meant fighting battles against people who don’t think they should have to accommodate me, and that everybody should think and act the same way. It has meant finding advocates with more power than I do when my self advocacy efforts haven’t been sufficient. It has meant standing up for my right to be different when some people haven’t wanted me to. Sometimes even people close to me. It has meant sometimes dealing with the trauma that has resulted as a result of people’s refusal to accommodate me. Sometimes from people’s refusal to even understand why they should, or might need to. But a lifetime’s experience had by then taught me that to cave in, and to not stand up for my rights, would’ve resulted in greater trauma. Of course, part of learning self advocacy skills has also meant learning that standing up for my own rights does not mean trampling on anyone else’s, and that sometimes there is a certain ‘juggling act’ that is required in order to come to a suitable compromise that works for everyone. And I’ll repeat that I’m referring to both personal and professional relationships here. Self advocacy is as much for personal, as it is professional relationships. Maybe even more important in personal relationships, if I really thought about it.
 
I thought I might add more to this, after first writing it, but haven't, so I guess it's time to share it. I was going to post this on the thread "How do you communicate", as it's the one that spawned it, before I managed to register for this site, but I can't find it anymore, and it's relevant here, and my back is starting to scream again, so I'm going to have to get off the computer and stretch, so here goes:

I've been thinking about how I’ve made the successful relationships in my life work. And the difference between validly feeling connected to other people and/or wanting to do stuff that works for other people even if it’s not necessarily natural for you, and doing socially expected stuff and NT typical relationship stuff because it’s what’s expected, but feels false and yucky. About how if the relationship is worth it, you focus on listening to the other person, and hearing them, and paying attention to the things (big and small) that are important to them, and reciprocating the feelings they engender in you, in ways that feel genuine. I’ve been told many times that I am ‘thoughtful’, and/or ‘kind’ in the relationships I choose to participate in. Even if I don’t necessarily feel that I am being anything out of the ordinary, or… I dunno the word, but people think I’m putting more energy into relationships than the average person, when I’m not necessarily, I’m just reciprocating what I feel. Sometimes I make an effort to express these feelings in a way I know will make the other person happy, and other times, it just comes naturally, or accidentally.

I have spent a lot of time and energy over the years discovering what is important to the other people in my life, and what will make my relationship with them better, and allow me to get what I need from them, (and them from me, which is usually related). I guess, realizing and figuring out how to operationalize the ‘give and take’ that are necessary in relationships. And even acknowledging and sometimes communicating, that I’m not going to be able to contribute in an equal way. (or not feel like it. Sometimes I’ve been told later that people get things out of their relationship with me, even when I don’t feel like I’m contributing a lot, or enough.). And sometimes it has meant figuring out a way to indicate to the other person that they are important to me, or that I do value the relationship, or am paying attention to them, in a different way than a neurotypical would, because I either can’t do it in the way NTs do, or doing it in an NT way feels false and counter-productive to me. Sometimes these different methods have meant the NTs in question have seen me as spending extra effort than another NT would. I know that sharing victories and successes and happy things are just important as sharing the bad things, because everyone needs balance, and if all you’re getting out of a relationship is hearing the bad things, then you’re going to bet burned out and not want to be in that relationship anymore. I know that mentioning or asking about the little things that go on in the other person’s life is important, because it shows interest in the other person’s life. Sometimes those little things are important to the other person. And if they’re important, or at least interesting to you too, so much the better. I find I often don’t do that until the relationship is farther along, and I’ve decided the person themselves are important to me. And therefore that person’s happiness is also important to me.

Sometimes people need their difficulties recognized and acknowledged in order for them to have the mental space and energy to hear yours. Empathy works both ways. And I’m finding more and more that I can relate to other people’s stresses. Partly because of so many of the ones I’ve gone through. I do know that having been through everything I’ve been through in my life has made me more compassionate. Receiving compassion and empathy and sympathy have probably made a big difference too, in my ability to feel it for others.

Other people sharing their struggles with me has helped me to see that some things are universal, and that everybody’s dealing with something. Although I’ve needed people in my life who have recognized and acknowledged, and accepted, the differences as well. That some things are specific to autism, or to being a child abuse survivor, or… whatever. That nondisabled people don’t face a lot of the things those of us with disabilities do. And that those of us with invisible disabilities have our own set of difficulties that people with visible disabilities don’t. Being able to see myself and been seen as unique and part of a community (or several) has been a really important part of my development as a person, and in my ability to develop compassion for other people. It has also made a huge difference in my ability to relate to other people in a meaningful way.

How other people have shared their difficulties with me has probably made a difference too. There’s a big difference between sharing it in an overbearing, obnoxious, self-righteous way, and sharing it in an honest, self-possessed, responsible way. (or something. Having trouble coming up with the right words.) There’s a difference between a ‘stoicism run amok’, or dictatorial way, and an honest, accountable, acknowledgement that some things in life are just difficult, and everybody’s human, for lack of a better phrase. Or, perhaps, that ‘nobody’s perfect’. The people who have acknowledged to me that they have feelings, and they have difficulties with things, but who have also been fully responsible for looking after their own feelings and behaviours have taught me so much more about how to be real, or how to be human, or ... whatever word you want to use, than those who have either insisted that their emotions don’t exist, or that you shouldn’t have emotions, and should be able to handle everything yourself, and those who have decided their emotional and physical or functional problems are someone else’s responsibility, ever have.

Finding a way for me to connect with the people who are important to me, in a way that works for me, has meant that I’ve had many supportive, beneficial, even reparative relationships. I guess it comes down to what Jim Sinclair said long ago in xyr “Bridging the Gaps” article: “I have exactly as many relationships as I want. I relate only as myself, only in ways that are authentic to me. I value people only as themselves, not for their roles or status, and not because I need someone to fill empty spaces in my life.” Not trying to be some imitation of an NT, not trying to do things their way when I know it doesn’t work for me, in fact, it has meant deliberately rejecting NT ways of relating when I know they are bad for me, or not useful. But it has also meant deliberately figuring out some way that I can meet the needs of the NTs in my life (‘cause let’s face it, they’re unavoidable to a certain degree), while also not betraying myself, and also meeting my own needs, has been the key.

Much of that has meant rejecting generic relationships, or connections with people who don’t mean anything to me. It has meant being selective about who I choose to spend energy on relating to. It has meant openly ignoring people who aren’t worth my time or energy. It has meant using assistive technology to communicate with people who are difficult to pay attention to, and/or in situations where I need to be able to keep track of what’s going on, and be able to create new thoughts, (unfamiliar, or seldomly encountered medical professionals, unknown bureaucrats, group discussions, etc.), and saving speech for only those who’ve reached a certain level of importance in my life, or a certain level of familiarity. It has meant insisting on communicating with people in person or via email, or more recently by text (or even more recently, due to COVID, via videoconference) and refusing to deal with them on the telephone because it’s just too difficult. In other words, it has meant defying convention, in order to find a life that works for me. It has meant expecting, and in some cases, demanding people to provide reasonable accommodations and accessibility, which has meant discovering what ‘reasonable accommodations’ are, and sometimes working out a compromise so that everybody’s needs can be met. In both personal and professional relationships.

It has meant fighting battles against people who don’t think they should have to accommodate me, and that everybody should think and act the same way. It has meant finding advocates with more power than I do when my self advocacy efforts haven’t been sufficient. It has meant standing up for my right to be different when some people haven’t wanted me to. Sometimes even people close to me. It has meant sometimes dealing with the trauma that has resulted as a result of people’s refusal to accommodate me. Sometimes from people’s refusal to even understand why they should, or might need to. But a lifetime’s experience had by then taught me that to cave in, and to not stand up for my rights, would’ve resulted in greater trauma. Of course, part of learning self advocacy skills has also meant learning that standing up for my own rights does not mean trampling on anyone else’s, and that sometimes there is a certain ‘juggling act’ that is required in order to come to a suitable compromise that works for everyone. And I’ll repeat that I’m referring to both personal and professional relationships here. Self advocacy is as much for personal, as it is professional relationships. Maybe even more important in personal relationships, if I really thought about it.

Think this brings up an interesting topic, that we need to understand our best communication process via text, email, etc. and request it as setting a boundary because it does matter.
 
I am realizing belatedly that I should probably comment that being asexual, etc. I've never been in a romantic relationship, and don't plan on ever being in one,. I have had enough trouble developing relationships of any kind with people! But, having focused on personal and professional connections that are meaningful to me has resulted in me learning a whole lot about people that I wouldn't have learned if I had tried to force myself into having "normal" relationships, or conforming to society's obnoxious obsession with romantic relationships. Especially given that I barely understood what people were for in the first place!

Hmm.. that came out more strident than I planned. Not meaning to cut down anyone who wants romantic relationships or anything, I just wish sometimes society wasn't so obsessed with the concept. Especially when it comes to the definition of "adult." ... and I'm going off the deep end again. Better quit while I'm ahead.
 
Think this brings up an interesting topic, that we need to understand our best communication process via text, email, etc. and request it as setting a boundary because it does matter.

I've had a lot of trouble getting people to accept me, and my balance of abilities and limitations, because I'm obviously quite intelligent, (can't hide it, no matter what, or how I interact), and yet have so many difficulties in areas where other people NTs mainly, take ability for granted, and I'm so articulate on paper,, and even in person, if I'm comfortable, or in a situation where competence and functioning is necessary. People don't like to "look beneatj the surface" and see what it costs me, or how it affects me. A lot of people have a hard time seeing the downside of my hyperlexia, or believing sometimes that I have language processing and auditory processing issues.

If they only see me when I'm functioning well, they have a hard time believing I'm not like that all the time, or get mad at me uf they happen to see me when I'm having difficulty.

Because part of my self discovery process has meant I've chosen to use AAC to communicate with most people outside my "inner circle", for lack of a better term, it has caused issues with people both in and out of that circle.

I'm only sort of saying what I mean to here... suffice it to say, choosing to refuse to use the telephone, and to use speech synthesis in many unfamiliar situations, or familiar, stressful situations has not been a popular choice in the eyes of many in my life, but is the best option for me. (Though I am reconsidering it somewhat, at the suggestion of my current autism specialist)

Can you tell you hit a nerve here? :p
 
Well you have finally realized very important things about yourself and that means acceptance follows. Some people will complain, but to *do you* requires your choice in communication styles. You do your best as such.
 
Well you have finally realized very important things about yourself and that means acceptance follows. Some people will complain, but to *do you* requires your choice in communication styles. You do your best as such.

Well, not so much "finally", it's been a set up I've had for, well, most of my adulthood now, but, yeah. Agree on the rest! People eventually come around if you "stick to your guns", and people can see the positive effect. Of course, society is much more accepting of such things now, and diversity in general than it was. Still waaay to far to go, but... "accessibility" is not a new concept anymore, nor seen as only wheelchair ramps and elevators. (Even though COVID seems to have rssulted in some regression by society on the matter. People who tell me the only way I can get customer service is via telephone really aggravate me!
 
Thus far i am hearing alot of interesting things, thank you for the support
Some things are coming together for me. Like i cant necessarily predict when issues of verbal communication are going to become impossible, but communication is at the heart of every healthy relationship.
And trust is crucial. Without it this whole central theme of it being necessary to "validate" the other persons feelings, basically becomes unworkable
The delayed reaction thing was good to hear about too. I was convinced that made me a monster, the delayed response to significant occurances i have.
Its my responsibility to deal with my own issues, i write much better than i speak. Iam fading tho now its late, thank you all for being awesome i love this forum
 
I want to leave this one open ended. I think there must be more to it all or that i need to get more out of whats already here. There is alot here in just 2 pages so far. Things i never heard of actually.
I think i understand now why the shrink and various others kept digging for background info. What types of relation ships did i recall having; i was asked by a few persons, both professionals and self helpers who really wanted to help me get better. Its because we model from experience, at least to start, so thats why the questions about my past. I always answered that i had normal relationships. If what is described above is normal then i have not seen that in relationships before, does that make me a liar?
 
I want to leave this one open ended. I think there must be more to it all or that i need to get more out of whats already here. There is alot here in just 2 pages so far. Things i never heard of actually.
I think i understand now why the shrink and various others kept digging for background info. What types of relation ships did i recall having; i was asked by a few persons, both professionals and self helpers who really wanted to help me get better. Its because we model from experience, at least to start, so thats why the questions about my past. I always answered that i had normal relationships. If what is described above is normal then i have not seen that in relationships before, does that make me a liar?
For me personally it is important to understand to what type of personality/behaviour I am and was attracted in the past and understand why it did not work. It is especially important if I make the similar mistake time and time again and where is the root of it. It is most often than not something that I learned about love when I was young and that now I look for/repeat subconciously. In my case of absentee father I learned that I need to be a "good" girl, at back and call to deserve love. That's why I can be attracted to emotionally unavailable men. They seem fascinating to me. It is a broken pattern, broken understanding of love that I have to reprogram. Everyone has such programs, unique for our experiences. I do not know if it is too TMI here, I just wanted to provide more detailed explanation. And our understanding and attitude towards past relationships can change in time and also something that worked in the past does not have to work for us later on. We change. And no @Skittlebisquit, it does not make you a liar, not at all. You were answering in accordance to your feelings and perception. There is no one way to healthy relationship. There are some guidelines, mamy times in regards to what is unhealthy, but you and the other person just need to be in tune and in agreement what is healthy for both of you together. I say "just", but that is many times a result of many conversations, compromise and soul searching.
 
is especially important if I make the similar mistake time and time again and where is the root of it. It is most often than not something that I learned about love when I was young and that now I look for/repeat subconciously.
Is this what is ment by modeling my behavior here or is modeling something else?


What does this mean?
emotionally unavailable men.

Is it possible that the other person doesnt possess this ability, which in the positive is emotional intelligence? Or is that different? Fighting dogs have the tail removed (and sometimes they cut back the ears too.) Sorry gross and inflamatory.
But the dogs tail is gone forever, can this happen to a man? In that this emotional whatever it is simply does not exist?
 

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