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what is genius, how do we measure it?

Genius is the guy who not only sees something we've been looking right at and missed but realizes it is the most important part of the picture.

Our own genius is a constant companion in our own minds. The other guy's genius is often only visible to us in hindsight.
 
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Isaac Newton. They don't have to have great social skills that's for sure. They need to think outside the box. And the ability to stand on the shoulders of giants...
 
I think I’m almost a musical genius as I can play songs easily without any sheet music on a piano or keyboard. I don’t play the bass clef part of songs but I can make whatever I play recognizable. I also have a vast knowledge of songs and who performed them. I managed to teach myself how to play The Entertainer and Für Elise after listening to my sister play them on the piano. I can also play part of the beginning to Clair De Lune. And I am pretty good at recognizing songs on music boxes.
 
Ronald Zeeman said:
I have some ideas using statistics, interested in other definitions. Please comment, I will elaborate on my ideas later. One thing I know it is not is raw intelligence.as measured by IQ, covers many fields.
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I don't believe in IQ tests, there is a world IQ distribution map proving that different scores in different countries are a result of the state's education system.

Also, there are so many fields where people can hone their outstanding skills and abilities. We all have individual strengthes and weaknesses. Often, being a genius comes at a cost.

I'm certain that potential is important but not everything. Passion, patience, ambition and curiousity drive us.
 
Only one in a few billion people are geniuses, many are not recognized as such for years.
Ramanujam, may be the most notable math genius that ever lived, not enough time has passed. no formal training, never did a proof, virtually every thing he conjectures proven by other to be correct.
 
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I think it's one of those 'Eye of the Beeholder' things. I'd ask this lady, but she looks busy.

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The peers of child prodigies catch up with them in the late teen years and usually exceed their accomplishments. Darling little Johnny with his pushy bragging parents and cute little Sally with her backstage mother and father are in for a rude awakening and probably total meltdown when all the other kids are just as good as they are. I've seen it happen.

Parents who push their children and declare them to be "geniuses" or "prodigies" are creating narcissists who will never be as wonderful as their minds perceive and are likely to fail as adults. They can't stand the competition or the fall from grace after years of having their egos stroked by parents or others. I'd rather have happy, well adjusted children of average intelligence than some psycho little piano prodigy or math wizard whose peers will exceed them in a matter of years.
 
Mary Terry said:
The peers of child prodigies catch up with them in the late teen years and usually exceed their accomplishments. Darling little Johnny with his pushy bragging parents and cute little Sally with her backstage mother and father are in for a rude awakening and probably total meltdown when all the other kids are just as good as they are. I've seen it happen.

Parents who push their children and declare them to be "geniuses" or "prodigies" are creating narcissists who will never be as wonderful as their minds perceive and are likely to fail as adults. They can't stand the competition or the fall from grace after years of having their egos stroked by parents or others. I'd rather have happy, well adjusted children of average intelligence than some psycho little piano prodigy or math wizard whose peers will exceed them in a matter of years.
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I somewhat disagree that all child prodigies are destined to become unhappy and having meltdowns. My sister was considered to be a genius as a kid and while she didn’t skip any grades, she was still a really talented piano player and took loads of advanced classes in high school and got a perfect SAT score and she turned out just fine. She also had to deal with me at times and my outbursts from being undiagnosed with Asperger’s and she never took out any anger or frustration on me. Our dad did brag about her accomplishments and even was proud that she got accepted into Harvard and yet she didn’t let it affect her head or ego. She could be considered to be a prodigy because my dad said that she started talking right when she turned one and shortly after he found out with our mom that she was able to make out letters and read them out loud by the time she was two and neither one of them were teaching her how to read. My sister was playing Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata when she was in sixth grade which isn’t an easy piece to play at that age. Our dad never pushed her hard to get good grades but he did make sure that we kept up with school. So I don’t think all child geniuses are destined to have some sort of meltdown and become failures.
 
I often wonder if I am some sort of secret genius that hasn’t been recognized yet in certain areas of topics and interests. I mean I can name dozens of songs and who sang them plus facts about the artists and I figured out how to program VCRs and microwave clocks by the time I was six and can memorize song lyrics after listening to the song a few times. I had one guy not believe me that I knew who the Beatles were because of my age and asked me to prove it by naming a few of their songs. I listed over twenty in one minute which shocked him that I was telling him the truth.
 
My cousin is a drummer listens to a song once then can play it. Session player. Probably the best drummer in the Toronto Area. Incredible musician, plays any thing is he a genius, probably not learned to play ay four. older brother a fellow drummer taught him. No formal training also sings. ha won awards " Juno", best vocalist. can sing and play Led zepplin simultaeously.
 
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Yes! Exactly right.
We can cite lists of "geniouses" and their accomplishments all day but the fact that we know about them does not actually confirm that they are "special people" or even of particular talent or ability. They are famous by circumstance.

A cotton picker might have worked out Einsteins theories before Einstein. But who would they tell? And who would believe them?
 
exactly, Einstein, worked in a patent office for a number of years , published in an obscure, German publication. He has been dead for 67 years theory been around for a hundred so far has not been remotely falsified. He was a genius.one of the very few to be recognized in his lifetime.
 
While doing my stationary bike today a got a couple of epiphanies, measuring genius as straight raw intelligence is wrong. Here is why genius has a correlation with prime numbers. Not the numbers directly but the frequency. Was Newton a genius, Liebniz lived at the same time, both were extremely bright I do not believe either one was a true genius, Look at my Covid stats failures are at the 2% mark other inflection points may not turn up after months of data collection. What is the bell curve for genius, 6 standard deviations one person per billion? Probably not too close together. Even on my Covid stats 90 deaths in one day meets the criteria
of 6 sigma but Covid is not over yet in Ontario
 
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Suzette said:
Yes! Exactly right.
We can cite lists of "geniuses" and their accomplishments all day but the fact that we know about them does not actually confirm that they are "special people" or even of particular talent or ability. They are famous by circumstance.

A cotton picker might have worked out Einsteins theories before Einstein. But who would they tell? And who would believe them?
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The cotton picker probably wouldn't have worked them out because he'd never have gone to school. He'd work something else out that applied to agriculture. But then, nobody would listen because he was both a slave and nonwhite. Even if he were a free white, probably nobody would listen because he was just a field laborer.

OTOH, Booker T. Washington got lucky.

Einstein got lucky - we got lucky too. I'm pretty sure a lot of geniuses do not. A couple of years later and he might have ended up in a concentration camp.
 
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