A higher spiritual truth to autism?

[DudBomb]

I have them all too. I just read anotyer page about it, and I had all the traits from there too, and, my kids have them all as well.

What's your Myers Briggs type? I'm entp, which also might explain some of it.

I was born in the '60s though.

Seems to me, they took symptoms from popular disorders, reworded them and applied them to Blavatsky's theosophy.

Reading the list the first time I wondered if Hitler would have been a indigo or star child.

INTJ, but the last two can flip flop depending on mood, more so than the first two.

 

[Hedgehog Instigator]

yes, i think that is what is meant by "system busters" and i believe that the present state of society, all the hiding of ones true thoughts and emotions, this ignoring of feelings for the sake of living in polite society is a system very much in need of busting. that's just one of many systems. take hunting for example, haven't we evolved past taking life for sustenance? we don't need to be hunter gatherers any more.(not that i am apposed to gathering).

Are you suggesting vegetarianism?

 

[Hedgehog Instigator]

I have them all too. I just read anotyer page about it, and I had all the traits from there too, and, my kids have them all as well.

What's your Myers Briggs type? I'm entp, which also might explain some of it.

I was born in the '60s though.

As I was saying indigos sound like they're autistic

 

[DudBomb]

As I was saying indigos sound like they're autistic

I agree. Also spoiled kids, hopped up on moon pies and mountain dew, given cough medicine and benadryl to put them to sleep like it was candy, who never were taught how to act, could also pass as indigo children.

 

[fuðflogi]

I refer to myself as an atheist only because I have a difficult time with the word "god". To me, a god is something you bow down to and worship. Also, I was raised in a Christian church and was told in one breath that god was all-loving and merciful, and in the next breath that HE would damn us to hell eternally if we did not OBEY HIM. I could not believe in an all-powerful, male entity that needed constant praise and was less forgiving than I am.



For me, it was the religious people, along with logic, which tore away my belief in a god. Religious people have been the cruelest, most hypocritical people I have ever met. All the physical, sexual, and mental abuse in my childhood was inflicted on me by those who called themselves a Christian. However, spiritual people have been some of the kindest, most loving people I've ever known.

I do believe we are all a part of something much larger than ourselves, I just cannot call that "God" due to the numerous traumas in my past. That's why I identify with atheism. That said, atheist do not share many of my beliefs, only the belief that there is no "God." In fact, I've actually debated the existence of certain phenomena with a couple of atheists. It seems that even though they can believe in known energies, they cannot believe that other types of as yet unknown/unproven energies exist.

I also cannot refer to myself as agnostic as I have no doubt that certain things exist. I don't know if there is a name for a person like myself. I used to say I was spiritual... but I am struggling with even believing in myself right now. (I don't mean my literal, flesh-and-blood body.)



Why do you think that is? My experience was similar except that I actually reached a point where I felt "enlightened". By that I mean, I reached a point where I could actually feel myself as being a part of that which was greater. I "KNEW". Others were still seeking. I felt at one with the universe while others still struggled to find their footing.

Now, I feel as though I have been cut off from the whole. It's a horrible feeling. Everything I experienced is still real and still happening, but I feel like I am no longer permitted to partake. The worst part is that I don't know anyone else who has experienced this, so I feel very alone with it.




I've had feelings but, more often than not, I've had a sudden knowing. It's not something I felt in my body (although I have done so on occasion) as much as it was a very forceful and intrusive thought. At times, it was a voice that interrupted my thoughts and gave me an instruction such as, "Get off the freeway," or "You need to go to (insert name)'s house." I've also had visions where I actually saw a scene as though watching a short clip but those were rare.

I usually don't talk about these things because some people just think I have a mental problem. My family, however, knows better. Especially my husband who would most likely be dead right now if he didn't believe me. Even my ex-husband knows he should listen to me, having once pleaded with him to alter his route on his drive home from a camping trip which saved his life and the lives of our two daughters.

I hate the word "psychic" so I either said I was intuitive or very sensitive. People think psychic means having the ability to tap into whatever information they choose, like lottery numbers. In my experience, that is not how it works.

yes, i think that is what is meant by "system busters" and i believe that the present state of society, all the hiding of ones true thoughts and emotions, this ignoring of feelings for the sake of living in polite society is a system very much in need of busting. that's just one of many systems. take hunting for example, haven't we evolved past taking life for sustenance? we don't need to be hunter gatherers any more.(not that i am apposed to gathering).

guess i should rephrase "killing for sustenance" seeing as how we still take the lives of animals...maybe im wrong and hunting in nature might be better than meat as a consumer product .

Are you suggesting vegetarianism?

Are you suggesting vegetarianism?

Nope,just an end to killing for sport.

 

[Hedgehog Instigator]

guess i should rephrase "killing for sustenance" seeing as how we still take the lives of animals...maybe im wrong and hunting in nature might be better than meat as a consumer product .


Nope,just an end to killing for sport.

OK but killing for sport is not the same as hunting.

 

[Judge]

Reading the list the first time I wondered if Hitler would have been a indigo or star child.

Interesting question.

Though whatever metaphysical beliefs Hitler may have held in his life, they came to an abrupt end when Hitler surmised that he was not merely a "drum beater", but in fact the "messiah" to the German people. A point in time when Hitler had the psychic Erik Hanussen who aided him, liquidated only months after being appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

From then on Hitler allegedly used to criticize Heinrich Himmler over his attempts to intertwine National Socialist ideology with paganism and much of anything paranormal. So I find the "psychic element" of an "Indigo Child" completely lacking at that point in time.

(In the first "Indiana Jones" movie they cite Adolf Hitler "being nuts" over such things. It was actually Heinrich Himmler. Hitler had no stomach for anything mystical or magical other than himself once he became absolute leader of Germany.)

But would that alone preclude him from being as such? Beats me. I've met a number of psychic persons...some relatively notable. But I've not actually bought into the concept of an "Indigo Child" myself.

 

[DudBomb]

I agree, I should have said could have passed as an indigo.

"If If Darwinism is true, Hitler was our savior and we have crucified him. As a result, the human race will grievously suffer. If Darwinism is not true, what Hitler attempted to do must be ranked with the most heinous crimes of history and Darwin as the father of one of the most destructive philosophies of history." - Jerry Bergman

 

[Alcyon]

"If If Darwinism is true, Hitler was our savior and we have crucified him. As a result, the human race will grievously suffer. If Darwinism is not true, what Hitler attempted to do must be ranked with the most heinous crimes of history and Darwin as the father of one of the most destructive philosophies of history." - Jerry Bergman

Whaaaaaaat!?!?

 

[Judge]

Before arguing the merits or comparisons of Darwin and Hitler, I'm afraid I'd first want to hear Charles Darwin elaborate on Social Darwinism. A concept he did not create.

Darwin's concepts were relative to biological selection. Not advanced human civilizations. Who knows? Charles Darwin might have been highly offended. Hard to say.

 

[DudBomb]

Before arguing the merits or comparisons of Darwin and Hitler, I'm afraid I'd first want to hear Charles Darwin elaborate on Social Darwinism. A concept he did not create.

Darwin's concepts were relative to biological selection. Not advanced human civilizations. Who knows? Charles Darwin might have been highly offended. Hard to say.

You Would have to discuss that with Jerry Bergman. I just thought it was an interesting opinion. I don't believe he was stating either outcome as an absolute fact, but thought provoking opinion based on conjecture.

 

[Judge]

You Would have to discuss that with Jerry Bergman. I just thought it was an interesting opinion. I don't believe he was stating either outcome as an absolute fact, but thought provoking opinion based on conjecture.

Along similar lines, I always wondered why Hitler didn't overtly co-opt some of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche. Who knows? It might have given him more political panache. But then his bourgeois profile didn't seem to bother him given his target audience. Hitler's real ideological mentor remained Dietrich Eckhart, who barely made a footnote in history.

 

[Alcyon]

You Would have to discuss that with Jerry Bergman. I just thought it was an interesting opinion. I don't believe he was stating either outcome as an absolute fact, but thought provoking opinion based on conjecture.

Jerry Bergman is a (moderately talented) polemicist who has no respect for opinions or facts unless they can be twisted to serve his arguments for an embarrassingly ignorant and blinkered world-view.

Open-mindedness is a virtue, but discernment is a far higher one.

 

[Judge]

Jerry Bergman is a (moderately talented) polemicist who has no respect for opinions or facts unless they can be twisted to serve his arguments for an embarrassingly ignorant and blinkered world-view.

Open-mindedness is a virtue, but discernment is a far higher one.

Reminds me somewhat of Dr. William Shockley .

Who let his notoriety in one field embarrassingly dictated another in his own mind.

 

[DudBomb]

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.- Soren Kierkegaard
Speaking of Bergman, not you.

Reminds me somewhat of Dr. William Shockley .

Who let his notoriety in one field embarrassingly dictated another in his own mind.

Inventor of the trans-istor.

 

[Judge]

Inventor of the trans-istor.

Yep. He was a pioneer in his field.

Though in matters of race and eugenics not so much. That ruined his reputation.

 

[DudBomb]

Yep. He was a pioneer in his field.

Though in matters of race and eugenics not so much. That ruined his reputation.

A failed attempt at humor. They can't all be zingers.

 

[Judge]

A failed attempt at humor. They can't all be zingers.

I can't always read through sarcasm, so I tend to either go around it or just ignore it. But in this case, yeah...good for a laugh or two. No harm done. We're a complex lot!

 

[fuðflogi]

OK but killing for sport is not the same as hunting.

So you are saying that hunting. Isn't a sport? So what do you consider killing for sport? And how ...elucidate!

 

[fuðflogi]

And how in hell do you take something like higher truth and drag it into Hitler's domain? That is just Wrong.